Recent Serious Seeds AK-47 seedstock

[Pulsar]

I have a similar story...I wanted Serious AK-47 for years, had to save up, and I waited until my growroom was dialed in before I finally got a pack off the Bay about 6 months ago.

I got ZERO out of an entire pack, while I had 80-90% pop, of several other packs of seeds I was germinating at the same time under the same conditions.

I sure wish I'd come across this thread before flushing that money down the crapper! Lesson learned.

Have never had any issues popping his beans

 

[Pulsar]

The packs changed years ago I dont know what year. Tbh if you have not seen any pics or whatever you have not looked very far. You cant expect to be spoon fed. Eitherway I can provide you with pics depending what I need to prove. Its not that data isnt there, its that people cant be bothered to post pics. Then fanboys chase them off threads etc. I mean like yourself you say you got sativa dome plants. I grew out two packs that year and every female was an even hybrid. One plant had slight sativa characteristics but was no sativa. Do you have pics of yours? From three years ago?

Not sure who you're addressing, but my AK packs were from 08' ( 5 years ago) and there's a pic of the Sativa Dom a couple posts back, although its not the straight Sativa. As mentioned, the Sativa pheno I got was on their website under the AK gallery. I sent Claude the pics on the Serious forums the same year. I tried to pull it off their website but I'm on an iPad and Serious' site requires flash

 

[komodod]

Isn't Claude on these boards? Maybe he could chime in. Personally I'd take everything Subtool says with a grain of salt. I've ran plenty of that guys offerings (never again) and I don't think he's qualified to provide much of the commentary he seems to have grown comfortable popping off with

Claude is a rep. He is unable to answer most of these questions and when he does its clear they have not been growing out recent stock.

Subcool I have to disagree with. Ive had jack the ripper and agent orange for a couple of years now. Both dank. The jtr I chucked recently on account of yield and hermed late in flower so fair enough it had its downfalls but the ao every pheno was good.

 

[komodod]

Not sure who you're addressing, but my AK packs were from 08' ( 5 years ago) and there's a pic of the Sativa Dom a couple posts back, although its not the straight Sativa. As mentioned, the Sativa pheno I got was on their website under the AK gallery. I sent Claude the pics on the Serious forums the same year. I tried to pull it off their website but I'm on an iPad and Serious' site requires flash

It wasnt directed at you. Yours looks nice the older stock is always better. I tried a really woody sandel wood type one which was the strongest ive had. That was around 99

 

[Pulsar]

Claude is a rep. He is unable to answer most of these questions and when he does its clear they have not been growing out recent stock.

Subcool I have to disagree with. Ive had jack the ripper and agent orange for a couple of years now. Both dank. The jtr I chucked recently on account of yield and hermed late in flower so fair enough it had its downfalls but the ao every pheno was good.

Interesting. I haven't been keeping up with Serious so that's a bummer if true. I'd be willing to give AK another run just to see for myself but its gonna have to wait a bit. I'm overstocked on variety as is. But if you say you've popped multiple packs of AK and haven't found the keeper, ill take your word over Subcools.

 

[the hollow]

It wasnt directed at you. Yours looks nice the older stock is always better. I tried a really woody sandel wood type one which was the strongest ive had. That was around 99

Hmmm. I had a lot of Spicy Sandalwood phenos in my O6-10 packs.

Strange, being that it's supposedly changed completely. lulz

 

[komodod]

Hmmm. I had a lot of Spicy Sandalwood phenos in my O6-10 packs.

Strange, being that it's supposedly changed completely. lulz

you already said your seeds were bought in 2010 so which one is true????

on top of that I never said that you couldn't/could find sandalwood phenos anyway. what I did say is that they changed the parentage and simon has given interviews saying this was around 2000 this was confirmed by claude on another site.

abit pointless trying to be condescending to me and disprove me on things I never said...

anyway.... back on topic.. :

 

[the hollow]

are you blind? how can I be a hypocrite when in the first paragraph you quoted me in I said I will provide pictures lol.

Okay. What are you waiting for?

I have pics to post. you don't. ive got pics already on this forum of them. you don't. you grew two packs three years ago. I grew about ten packs even in that time.

So... 10 packs of AK-47 makes you an expert?

your dissing folk thinking you know it all and think you know the strain.

I haven't dissed anybody here. I've simply pointed out that their thought processes (and yours) are completely and utterly unscientific. You can't conclusively state that a strain has changed because you smoked 2 different phenos over a 10 year time period.

That's not how science works guys.

you don't. simple as that. now please don't waste my time again having to simplify things for you to understand. if your gonna make outrageous comments and call other peoples grow experiences ''myths'' at least have pics to back up your putting down of people..

Sorry, but I'm not labeling them "myths." I'm simply stating a fact.

Saying, "I smoked pre-99 and it's different than a dozen packs I grew" isn't science. It's groundless conjecture.

like I said before ive been sent packs of seeds from serious to document a grow for them.. that will be coming shortly.

Who cares? It's not as if you're growing out thousands of seeds and comparing them to thousands of seeds from pre-99 stock. That's what you would need to do to make any kind of credible scientific assessment.

 

[the hollow]

you already said your seeds were bought in 2010 so which one is true????

I would quote my original post, but I feel that would be "spoon feeding" you. And, we all know you're a big boy. lulz

on top of that I never said that you couldn't/could find sandalwood phenos anyway. what I did say is that they changed the parentage and simon has given interviews saying this was around 2000 this was confirmed by claude on another site.

Right and I also recall reading another interview with Simon where he said that interview was taken out of context and embellished on greatly. He then went on to say that it hasn't changed anywhere near as much as people are making out to be. Don't you think that's a little strange that Simon would get rid of his old mother and father plants completely? I find that hard to believe. Don't you think he is a competent enough grower to keep the originals around in case the experimentation went bad?

Every description I've seen of pre-99 AK-47 is exhibited in my packs from 2006-2010. So....

 

[komodod]

three quick points.


I smoked ak back in the nineties, plus ive grown pre 2k cuts of ak47, and thirdly the breeder himself simon said he changed the stock in 2000. what more do you need than that??

 

[komodod]

I would quote my original post, but I feel that would be "spoon feeding" you. And, we all know you're a big boy. lulz

funny shit! you said 2010 unless you edited your post. im too busy to scroll up the page lol

 

[the hollow]

three quick points.


I smoked ak back in the nineties, plus ive grown pre 2k cuts of ak47, and thirdly the breeder himself simon said he changed the stock in 2000. what more do you need than that??

Another interview Simon said it didn't change that much. You're going on old information.

 

[the hollow]

funny shit! you said 2010 unless you edited your post. im too busy to scroll up the page lol

In my original post, the one before the post you quoted, I said I had different packs from 2006 and 2010 from different vendors and that they appeared to be exactly the same strain. I wasn't comparing either one of these packs to pre-99 Ak-47.

I was simply pointing out that 2 different packs of AK-47 from 2 different vendors clearly appeared to be the exact same strain with the exact same characteristics to one another. Which, is a good sign of consistency in the strain.

 

[the hollow]

three quick points.


I smoked ak back in the nineties, plus ive grown pre 2k cuts of ak47, and thirdly the breeder himself simon said he changed the stock in 2000. what more do you need than that??

So, you grew a cutting, not seeds?

 

[komodod]

So, you grew a cutting, not seeds?

look man I have been quite clear in every post ive made. read my posts.... simon said he changed to stock. tbh I cant be arsed any longer because your not understanding anything. your main post- directed at me where you comment on the cherry pheno and that autoflowers etc have been a myth is the one main post that's completely stupid of you to post and shows you lack any knowledge on the strain we are trying to discuss. read through the serious forum here. you will realise these things are not myths. eitherway im bored. your just another troll. im not here for this. so once again back on topic...

 

[the hollow]

look man I have been quite clear in every post ive made. read my posts.... simon said he changed to stock. tbh I cant be arsed any longer because your not understanding anything. your main post- directed at me where you comment on the cherry pheno and that autoflowers etc have been a myth is the one main post that's completely stupid of you to post and shows you lack any knowledge on the strain we are trying to discuss. read through the serious forum here. you will realise these things are not myths. eitherway im bored. your just another troll. im not here for this. so once again back on topic...

I already have. I've been here since 2007 and looked at a lot more threads than you. People are consistently reporting the cherry pheno in recent packs. I've read threads by guys who actually have grown pre-99 stock from seed (not just a cutting like you) and they've said it hasn't changed at all.

When are you going to post a pic of the new packaging? I'm pretty sure the packaging hasn't changed at all. Which, means you lied.

 

[komodod]

I already have. I've been here since 2007 and looked at a lot more threads than you. People are consistently reporting the cherry pheno in recent packs. I've read threads by guys who actually have grown pre-99 stock from seed (not just a cutting like you) and they've said it hasn't changed at all.

When are you going to post a pic of the new packaging? I'm pretty sure the packaging hasn't changed at all. Which, means you lied.

well considering you know so many people growing it out then you should have seen the new packaging.

why would I lie about packaging??????? and you know you have read through more threads than me? this is turning into a playground argument lol

and aswell ive actually been a member here since 2006 but I changed my account a while back.

yes ive grown cuttings of pre 2ks only- different cuts too. not seeds, not that makes any difference anyway because my mates grew it back then and I smoked different batches.

the difference between you and I is that I don't like calling reported facts myths without proof.
if you have read enough about the cherry pheno, then you would know it mainly describes the pink/purple hues of the buds. a cherry smell can be found on a lot of the recent plants anyway. these are not cherry phenos.

simon said he doesn't believe a cherry pheno exists. you seem to be wrong on many of the facts you have churned up, when if you do some googling you will find out some facts acroos the forums over the years yourself. no need to argue with me... il take some pics now just for you!

 

[the hollow]

the difference between you and I is that I don't like calling reported facts myths without proof.

It is a myth, though. The genetics hasn't changed that much. Even the percentage of Sativa/Indica has remained the same at 60%/40%. The numbers don't lie and neither do growers who are reporting Sativa dominant results in packs of AK-47.

Genetically, the strain has not changed at all. Not one bit. That's a scientific fact.

if you have read enough about the cherry pheno, then you would know it mainly describes the pink/purple hues of the buds. a cherry smell can be found on a lot of the recent plants anyway. these are not cherry phenos.

It had the purple hues. Just like people described. No different.

simon said he doesn't believe a cherry pheno exists. you seem to be wrong on many of the facts you have churned up, when if you do some googling you will find out some facts acroos the forums over the years yourself. no need to argue with me... il take some pics now just for you!

Finally. I don't understand why it takes 3 days to post a picture of the new packaging. Plus, you're claiming that this older packaging is pre-99. Which, isn't the case. You were saying to me and the other guy had pre-99 packaging. That packaging isn't that old. I don't even think they started using that packaging until 2003. Which, is way after 1999.

I don't care to see any plants.

 

[komodod]

It is a myth, though. The genetics hasn't changed that much. Even the percentage of Sativa/Indica has remained the same at 60%/40%. The numbers don't lie and neither do growers who are reporting Sativa dominant results in packs of AK-47.

Genetically, the strain has not changed at all. Not one bit. That's a scientific fact.
proof?? you don't even know what the new packaging looks like let alone anything else



It had the purple hues. Just like people described. No different.
do you not know the difference between a purple bud, and some colouring at the end of flowering? two completely different things



Finally. I don't understand why it takes 3 days to post a picture of the new packaging.
because I don't really care that much about your posts to go get the packs and picture then upload but I will later to prove you wrong.


Plus, you're claiming that this older packaging is pre-99.
your making things up again I never said that at all. READ MY POSTS!!!! I said that your pack you posted was an old pack. and I clearly posted that I didn't know the exact date they changed them.

Which, isn't the case. You were saying to me and the other guy had pre-99 packaging.
didn't say that lol

That packaging isn't that old. I don't even think they started using that packaging until 2003. Which, is way after 1999.
na it isn't that old but they still have new packaging!

I don't care to see any plants.

ok but you don't have proof that all yours were sativas which is what I am disputing...

corrections above

 

[komodod]

also just noticed that you have packs with 15 seeds in. or at least that's what you said in the serious forum, but then in your pic there was only 11 seeds in the vial. something fishy here.