Recent Serious Seeds AK-47 seedstock

[the hollow]

You can compare two strains by simply smoking them but you get a much more complete picture if you grow them. You could smoke two strains side by side that you consider pretty much equal as far as the effects go but then when you grow them you find out that one strain takes 18 weeks to flower and produces about 1 oz a plant where as the other takes 10 weeks and produces 4 oz per plant. Clearly the second strain is better but you have no way of knowing this just by smoking.

Well, of course.

Having said this, I have never grown AK-47 but I have tried it on several occasions over the years and it really has seemed to change. The old Ak-47 I tried had a sort of tart, cherry type flavor and had a potent balanced hybrid affect similiar to a good skunk. The effect is what most people these days would describe as sativa leaning.

I had a cherry pheno in 2006 and 2010. Must be getting your AK-47 from some sources that don't favor it.

It's always funny to me that people talk about how that pheno is gone.

Last night I tried a new pheno of ak 47 from my dispensary which they called the CBD pheno because the stuff tested at over 6% CBD which is a massive percentage the likes of which you tend only to see in some rare medicinal strains grown and bred for CBD content.

What were the test results pre-2000? Have you looked at those results before comparing those to 2013 test results?

You realize that if you haven't looked at the pre-2000 results that there is no possible way of knowing that 6% is in any indication of a change in the genetics of the strain.

The effects were very different than the old school AK I remember. It feels a lot like a high end auto sativa to me. Its very clear and has that sedating funky feeling you get from CBD strains.

Being that you've only tried AK "a few times over the years," do you think it's possible that you simply didn't come across the high CBD phenos that have there all along.

AK-47 is a complex strain compiling genetics from all over the world. There are a variety of phenos, smells, types. I just don't think you have enough experience with the strain to draw the kinds of conclusions that you're drawing. Most of the claims I've read about AK-47 changing are precisely the same as yours. They lack any real evidence. It's always "I tried it back then and it's different than when I tried it now."

I have also read multiple grow reports recently where people have complained of autoflowering in their AK 47 grows which makes me wonder if perhaps some pollen from an auto flowering project was accidentally introduced into the AK 47 line at some point recently. I just don't see how the old school AK 47 could have produced such a massively high CBD strain from seed without something having changed over the years. This is of course just my conjecture based on what I smoked last night and some of the grow reports I have read but one thing I can say for a fact is that the recent AK 47 pheno I tried is a completely different beast than the ones I tried years ago.

Again, it's more likely that this high CBD pheno was around back then. I say that because Simon himself has stated that AK-47 hasn't changed at all. It all comes down to whether, or not you think he is lying.

Which, I don't.

 

[the hollow]

he said that he smoked it an thought it was good since then he has smoked more varieties and now realises it wasn't that good.
and tbh unless you got a very good pheno or a pre 2k cut, the kushes easily bury the ak47, its a good yielder and easy to grow, some phenos are strong.

That's the point. I had a very good pheno. JUST ONE, though. The rest were just "Okay" as you accurately pointed out. It was easily on the level of OG. To the point where a preference of one over the other solely becomes a matter of personal opinion.

I love the kushes. Don't get me wrong. That's all I'm smoking on right now as I'm not growing and if I do ever come across AK-47 it's usually one of the more mediocre phenos. I always buy it hoping to find something similar to what I had and end up disappointed. My whole theory is that people who do find the good phenos when growing it keep the good shit for themselves and flip the bad shit. Hence, the reason there is so much mediocre AK going around. If you want to get the good AK-47 you got to grow it.

 

[the hollow]

Ya 2006 and 2010 are the same damage wAs done already... From what I gather .... Had some incredible ak in 98 99 my keeper was rank Sweet cherry pheno tasted like pink smarties candy and was potent as most kushes.... Don't no much bout the new gear or phenos but do no Simon played with his genetics trying to improve perfect and some not so good results....

Do you have a source that said he played around with it?

 

[komodod]

Do you have a source that said he played around with it?

the actual cherry has pink buds from what ive seen. I dunno if the taste transferred over. the ak47 stock of recent times is pretty much either auto flowering or if your lucky, much like big bud...big producer but bland, can be strong hitting though. ive grown a lot of ak47. everyone talks about the sativa pheno. maybe ten years ago, but you wont get any sativa pheno now. they all resemble sativa indica hybrids. they flower for about 9 weeks. you will find the odd nice one, but atm most of them autoflower so you wont be able to keep a mother plant.

id love to know the sources your getting it from. I can only assume you get clones of an old airloom one.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

I think serious is pretty much like every other dutch seed bank. Serious, Sensi, Dutch Passion, Sagarmatha, THseeds, Greenhouse etc. = garbage.

Hollow you're wrong. Stop wasting your money, time, life etc. with anything acquired overseas unless its from ACE or Cannabiogen etc. These vendors above are in the past imo where they belong. Peddling crap with names that once held some weight especially Serious. I remember when Chronic was everywhere going for 300 an O around 13 years ago. White Russian was epic. I've never had their old Kali Mist but I'm sure it was killer from all accounts. Wasn't just their AK that was popular.

 

[The Hatter]

Again, it's more likely that this high CBD pheno was around back then. I say that because Simon himself has stated that AK-47 hasn't changed at all. It all comes down to whether, or not you think he is lying.

Which, I don't.

You can feel CBD, or at least I can and none of the old cuts I had years ago were high CBD.

6% CBD was pretty much unheard of until recent times. If AK 47 has always been capable of throwing out 6% CBD phenos you think it would be famous as one of the first strains for doing so since this is a very rare and sought after chemotype in the medical world. -shrug-

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Ya guys ought to be bothering Chimera about his new tissue culture project lol don't be afraid to step on some toes. Gonna be pretty cool if the whole serious line up is available wouldn't ya say? The originals obviously.

 

[the hollow]

the actual cherry has pink buds from what ive seen.

Interesting. As I've never seen, or heard of pink buds.

I dunno if the taste transferred over. the ak47 stock of recent times is pretty much either auto flowering or if your lucky, much like big bud...big producer but bland, can be strong hitting though. ive grown a lot of ak47. everyone talks about the sativa pheno. maybe ten years ago, but you wont get any sativa pheno now. they all resemble sativa indica hybrids. they flower for about 9 weeks. you will find the odd nice one,

Most of them seem to lean towards sativa to me.

but atm most of them autoflower so you wont be able to keep a mother plant.

I kept 3 mother plants for about 3 years. This autoflowering stuff must be a myth.

id love to know the sources your getting it from. I can only assume you get clones of an old airloom one.

Nope. Websites just like everybody else. I honestly feel like I'm growing a different strain when I hear everybody on the internet talk about AK-47.

You guys must be getting unlucky with your packs of seeds.

 

[the hollow]

You can feel CBD, or at least I can and none of the old cuts I had years ago were high CBD.

lol

I'm sorry, but AK-47 is genetically too complex to compare a few phenotypes from years ago to a few phenotypes from today. Columbian, Mexican, Thai & Afghani. We're talking about stuff from multiple locations around the world. It's bound to have some variance. Perhaps that variance you've witness was the product of variance in the genetics. Not the breeder's methods.

I've had different phenos that don't even resemble the same strain. You could tell somebody they were different strains and they would believe you because of the differences in the two. Again, every single post I've seen claiming that AK-47 has changed is based on information that was obtained through unscientific methods.

6% CBD was pretty much unheard of until recent times.

Testing for CBD's on a regular basis was pretty much unheard of until recent times.

Do you have any actual data to compare it to? That's the scientific way of going about this. You're only looking at 50% of the information that you need to draw a conclusion. That's not scientific at all.

 

[the hollow]

I think serious is pretty much like every other dutch seed bank. Serious, Sensi, Dutch Passion, Sagarmatha, THseeds, Greenhouse etc. = garbage.

Hollow you're wrong. Stop wasting your money, time, life etc. with anything acquired overseas unless its from ACE or Cannabiogen etc. These vendors above are in the past imo where they belong. Peddling crap with names that once held some weight especially Serious. I remember when Chronic was everywhere going for 300 an O around 13 years ago. White Russian was epic. I've never had their old Kali Mist but I'm sure it was killer from all accounts. Wasn't just their AK that was popular.

I disagree. How many seeds have you grown out from each of these companies you're criticizing? If it's not thousands then this post is asinine.

 

[komodod]

Interesting. As I've never seen, or heard of pink buds.




Most of them seem to lean towards sativa to me.



I kept 3 mother plants for about 3 years. This autoflowering stuff must be a myth.



Nope. Websites just like everybody else. I honestly feel like I'm growing a different strain when I hear everybody on the internet talk about AK-47.

You guys must be getting unlucky with your packs of seeds.

Everything you said is nonsense. You got pics? Ive got a pile of empty seed packs I can picture plus the rest. If your getting sativa dom plants in packs from 2010 to present then your either buying old stock or your not growing ak. In fact im even a tester for them!

 

[Cheerful]

Grave digging...

I'm seriously considering some Serious Seeds AK-47, and curious to hear about the current seedstock. I've heard sooooo many good things about this strain (and smoked some fantastic AK nugs) but I'd like to hear about Simon's current rendition.

Thoughts? Feelings?

I have a similar story...I wanted Serious AK-47 for years, had to save up, and I waited until my growroom was dialed in before I finally got a pack off the Bay about 6 months ago.

I got ZERO out of an entire pack, while I had 80-90% pop, of several other packs of seeds I was germinating at the same time under the same conditions.

I sure wish I'd come across this thread before flushing that money down the crapper! Lesson learned.

 

[komodod]

I have a similar story...I wanted Serious AK-47 for years, had to save up, and I waited until my growroom was dialed in before I finally got a pack off the Bay about 6 months ago.

I got ZERO out of an entire pack, while I had 80-90% pop, of several other packs of seeds I was germinating at the same time under the same conditions.

I sure wish I'd come across this thread before flushing that money down the crapper! Lesson learned.

when you say you got zero, do you mean zero germ rates?

 

[Cheerful]

Yes, I mean I planted 10 seeds and none of them ever came up out of the soil.

 

[komodod]

Never had germ issues myself with the ak

 

[Supaseeds]

i gave out quite some AK-47 auto seeds breed by THSEEDS to peps i know ect and so far germination success on this strain was 100% by which i'm really amazed cuz i always ask guys to let me know how many came out ect... maybe it's luck but this is the only strain from about 20 i have that still has 100% success :> Tho must mention that i didnt gave out like a ton of them... so will see, but i keep track =)

 

[Pulsar]

the actual cherry has pink buds from what ive seen. I dunno if the taste transferred over. the ak47 stock of recent times is pretty much either auto flowering or if your lucky, much like big bud...big producer but bland, can be strong hitting though. ive grown a lot of ak47. everyone talks about the sativa pheno. maybe ten years ago, but you wont get any sativa pheno now. they all resemble sativa indica hybrids. they flower for about 9 weeks. you will find the odd nice one, but atm most of them autoflower so you wont be able to keep a mother plant.

id love to know the sources your getting it from. I can only assume you get clones of an old airloom one.

I grew some of Simons AK outdoor two seasons in a row, 08' and 09'.
I had three phenos out of three packs. This one leaned 70:30 Sativa Dom, I had a squat Indy pheno that was a throwaway, and a full Sativa pheno that's in their website gallery under "JNStrand." The Sativa was indeed the keeper, and was definitely easily found in my packs just a few years ago. That's a drag if the stock has been altered as of late as I was looking forward to running it again.

 

[the hollow]

that's very old stock. they have completely changed the packaging years ago. where did you get those?

<<<<<<<edit/tou>>>>>> What does the packaging look like now?

quite annoyed me when I saw this post because it appears that you are one of those people who grows two packs and think they know everything there is to know. you seem to be trying to put me straight when ive grown loads of packs over the last few years.
your misinforming people and that isn't on.

I grow 2 packs and compare the weed from it to weed I've smoked. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm simply requesting that you provide some actual data that proves AK has changed. Which, nobody has ever done when the discussion arises.

 

[Pulsar]

Attitude in 2010. What does the packaging look like now?







I grow 2 packs and compare the weed from it to weed I've smoked. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm simply requesting that you provide some actual data that proves AK has changed. Which, nobody has ever done when the discussion arises.

Isn't Claude on these boards? Maybe he could chime in. Personally I'd take everything Subtool says with a grain of salt. I've ran plenty of that guys offerings (never again) and I don't think he's qualified to provide much of the commentary he seems to have grown comfortable popping off with

 

[komodod]

The packs packaging changed years ago I dont know what year. Tbh if you have not seen any pics or whatever you have not looked very far. You cant expect to be spoon fed. Eitherway I can provide you with pics depending what I need to prove. Its not that data isnt there, its that people cant be bothered to post pics. Then fanboys chase them off threads etc. I mean like yourself you say you got sativa dome plants. I grew out two packs that year and every female was an even hybrid. One plant had slight sativa characteristics but was no sativa. Do you have pics of yours? From three years ago?