Don't lose Good Genetics!! Clone your Bud.

[papaduc]

"I wish I'd taken a clone... I'm gonna try re-vegging the plant"

Every time I hear it I'm surprised at how few people are aware of how easy this is to do, and how far out of control the myth has gotten that flowering, even fully budding plants, are harder to clone than vegging ones.

A lot of the time you just can't or won't or don't dedicate the time and space to re-vegging a whole plant, so you cut your losses and move on.

There's no need.

There's no cut off point for cloning. None. Not even chop day.

I do this all the time and I haven't found a plant to this day which doesn't respond the same way.

Last week I had a look in on my girls. I got one Humboldt seeds OG kush freebie recently and it's one of the only girls I didn't clone.

Now it's near to harvest day and it's a stocky nice yielding plant, with some nice kushy greasy funk going on. I like it, so I'm gonna grow her again. She deserves it.

So, 7 weeks in... what to do?

All I do is cut a bud from a lower branch with an air bud on it.

This is she...




After 12 days she has rooted and begun to search out the pot she's in.



That photo was just taken now. I decided to document how the plant will re-veg from that little air bud, and what to expect from this point. And how fully vigorous and healthy it will become in just a few weeks.

I think people worry a clone loses vigor, or some other negative thing occurs when it is cloned like this. I had one fella a while ago argue blind with me that a plant never properly re-vegetates, or that not all plants will do. These are all myths. Every single plant I have ever done this way has been as big, strong, vigorous and healthy in every way from taste to strength to yield, as the plant it was taken from.

Apologies if a thread like this already exists. If it does, I haven't seen it.

I really believe people should be much more open minded to this procedure. It's really really simple.

I'll post back when she first starts to re-veg. Should only be days.

 

[THC123]

That is how I saved my happy brother mom , i took a clone on a lower branch with airy buds one week before harvest
It rooted surprislingly fast

 

[Womble]

gonna do this with my abusive kush haze that's almost done........nice one papaduc gonna be following you on this one

are you using any rooting hormone, propagator's etc ?

 

[papaduc]

That is how I saved my happy brother mom , i took a clone on a lower branch with airy buds one week before harvest
It rooted surprislingly fast

I think anyone who does it will be surprised at how they react.

The main difference and the one thing to consider is that because you're cloning a bud, you need to watch the humidity. Sometimes you need to cut away the main body of the bud if it's a larger bud you end up taking. In this case you can either clone without a humidity dome, or, like I say, cut away the main body of the bud and leave just the base on. It's from there the little shoots will emerge.

 

[THC123]

its also nice how bushy they get once rooted and back in veg

 

[papaduc]

gonna do this with my abusive kush haze that's almost done........nice one papaduc gonna be following you on this one

No problem fella.

Take note of the above post about the bud and humidity. It becomes more of less of an issue depending on the size of the bud. For example I wouldn't take a fully solid main bud and stick it in an enclosed bag. It'd just rot. But the bud in my picture was put in an enclosed bag no worries. You can adjust the humidity as you see fit. To be on the safe side, keep it lower.

If your cloning methods are solid and you have no problem taking clones in general from mother plants etc, then you'll have no problems doing this.

Keep us posted.

 

[papaduc]

its also nice how bushy they get once rooted and back in veg

Definitely. That's one big bonus of re-vegging actually - the amount of branching you get. You never have to top a re-vegged clone.

I think some people call it "monster cropping" now? Is that right?
I heard that somewhere. Maybe it was just some dude's reference to it. Either way it's a benefit which anyone who's ever re-vegged a clone will be aware of.

You actually have to sacrifice branches to allow the plant to focus it's energy on them, rather than spreading it between the tens of branches it produces. Pretty cool.

 

[papaduc]

are you using any rooting hormone, propagator's etc ?

I use clonex and a plastic bag. Hold on a minute and I'll show you what I mean.

Like this:




Obviously that's just the plant I've put back into the bag to show you, but that's what I do. I'll use a 1L pot and put multiple clones in it. If I'm taking from vegging plants I can cram them in, up to 20 clones in a 1L pot. Obviously when there's bud on them you give them a bit more room to breathe. Keeping the root zone warm is a big help obviously.

With regards to my actual cloning methods they're very simple. There's nothing special I'm doing in that respect. I get reliable results so I'm happy. But whatever way you choose to clone it's entirely up to you.

I always advise not to scarify or scrape the stems too much though. That's one thing I will say. If you're going to do it be extremely gentle and only do it on one side, especially if the branch you're taking is on the thin side. I'd say if you haven't already got a solid reliable technique down for your cloning not to scrape at all.

 

[Womble]

can't see the pic captain!

edit: can see it now, I got a small heated prop that i got pretty dialled when it come to cuts lol, gonna give it a go because i would really like to give this pheno another pop in a larger pot with much more veg time

thanks for sharing papaduc

 

[exploziv]

I totally understand where you're coming from with this thread, having just lost a plant I was trying to reveg. at least i have more seeds of the cross, if not I would be very mad at my decision to not wait an extra week of veg and take a clone.

so yeah: Always make clones and even seeds if you find something you like.

 

[jessethestoner]

don't forget to hand out the clones so the clone survives outside your circle

 

[papaduc]

I totally understand where you're coming from with this thread, having just lost a plant I was trying to reveg. at least i have more seeds of the cross, if not I would be very mad at my decision to not wait an extra week of veg and take a clone.

so yeah: Always make clones and even seeds if you find something you like.

When you say you lost the plant, what happened to it?

 

[exploziv]

probably too long in flower, she never revegged.

 

[papaduc]

Hmm. That's the strange thing. I wonder why the plant wouldn't re-veg.
Maybe once a certain amount is harvested the plant dies back. Maybe that's why the clone does better. I've never re-vegged a plant because I've never had to so I've got no real experience of doing it.

What I do know is I've cloned a fully formed jack47 bud not so long ago.
I'm not talking about the kind of flowering branch in my first post, I'm talking about just a bud.
I wish I would have kept pictures. It's the most extreme example of how this plant will come back from any situation.

The tiny deformed little shoot that emerged from that bud went on to be a mother which gave me half my garden at that time.

Like I say, I'm talking here not just about cloning your plants, but actually cloning budding branches from a plant which you think is worthy of keeping. It's never too late. Next time you're in that situation, instead of re-vegging the whole plant, have a go at doing this and see how you get on.

 

[DevilWeedSeeds]

I have had some success with cloning plants in flowering then re-vegging. Mostly depends on how far they were into flowering. I do them in the areo cloner same as other clones and have good luck over all. Always best to take a couple of clones of each plant before starting flower or the first two weeks. It is worth trying if you have a great keeper plant and want to keep it going. Once you get it back you can take lots of clones and a new mom clone to use.

 

[Max Headroom]

timely thread!
i'm about to try this for the first time with some spoetnik #1 @ 5-6 weeks flower.

i also wonder if this method would be a good way to get the sativa dominant strains i usually grow under control (more bush, less stretch). i got some mekong high going that just keeps on growing. not far from some real height problems.

 

[chazz michaels]

I have tried cloning a bud a few times with some success but not 100%.
It isn't practical for me to clone every seedling that i start just incase i find a plant i really like, only to then throw out all of the other clones?
So cloning a bud or revegging is a different option.
I think it worked better when i took the cutting a little bit earlier, but i don't know?
Some plants reveg and clone better than others, ...for me at least.

 

[wiklund]

I have lost two elite phenos by being lazy and uneducated. One Whiteberry who was so white that you almost could not se it. The feeling was like looking at an hologram, really strange. The smoke was the best. And one LA woman smelling like rotten meat. Smelling really bad but i could not stop smelling in her jar
I hope that i one day will find some more elite phenos and then i wil reveg for sure!

 

[foomar]

This clone was taken on harvest day from low down in the gloom at around ten weeks , took 13 days to root this far in a proven bubbler , twice as long as usual for cuts taken in late veg or early flower.

Should yield a dozen clones in around six weeks after a reveg.

Finding it better to root first in 12/12 and then switch light hours to veg , doing both together haveing a longer rooting time and higher losses from mould and yellowing.

Proveing more reliable than revegging a stump , and lower loose buds fare better than higher and denser ones.


Used to clone everything in veg and ended up binning most later on as expectations grew , takeing clones in mid flower or later keeps the numbers down but is not perfect , takeing three clones of any possible keeper is good insurance as at least one should make it , with a stump reveg as a last chance.

 

[Gelado`]

This thread has absolutely blown my mind!