any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[dansbuds]

appologies accepted . & I think your right about to much N & it locking out phosphorous . but it is still about the best 1 part out there & i've tried quite a few . it takes a little tweeking like any other nutrient , to get it to work right in your situation . I've been using it for over a year now & my harvests have been 5x better than ever before !!!
you have to understand .... this nutrient is fairly new to the market & chris is dealing with all kinds of red tape & bullshit to get his formula passed & accepted . he has had to change a few things in order for that to happen ..... some good some bad .
but its still the same basic formula & it works well with some tweeking like i said .

the best way i found to use it without the high N late in flower ..... is feed heavy through veg & into the first 3 weeks of flower then cut the strength back about half & add a bud builder from day 35 to 45 . some use overdrive or moab , i've tried PK 13/14 ... just because i had it here .

so yeah i can see why your bitter about it , but if ya really give it a chance , it does work fantastic !!!

as far as labeling goes ..... nobody gives all the ingredients on the labels .... its called trade secrets , so you can't copy the formula . & as I said He's trying to get california ... one of the worst places to certify it & its not an easy task !!! I'm sure after all is said & done ... he'll label it with the correct amounts involved .i know hes changed it at least twice that i can see ... maybe more . i hope they let him stick to one formula soon . & personally .....i DON'T like this last batch !!! I'm getting a sandy residue in the bottom of my rez which i never did before . but its still working as it has .

 

[rives]

again sorry and your bud looks damn good, but could look even better. imho there there is way too much nitrogen to the point of locking out other elements like is your phosphorous low or locked out? you have a slight K def also. your leaves are crazy dark for that late don't you think? i don't know, i used to like it simple, now i like to try and progress with each grow but feel like i'm looking too hard. but a one part nute is never going to work for everybody, everywhere in every different kind of enviroment...it can't. raising the ppms for one def element only makes it too high for another, see what i mean?

I've found that the most challenging thing about using V+B is following the directions. If you go back a few posts, you will see that ICBuds consciously made the decision to continue feeding at a higher rate than the directions call for. People follow their own paths - you cannot fault the nutrient if experimentation creates differing results than what you consider ideal. Personally, I've been pretty damn happy with the stuff and no, I don't find the nitrogen levels too high. The variability in the formula has been a little frustrating, but as Dan said, overall it works better with my water than anything else that I've used.

 

[superjet]

 

[superjet]

here i am calling people dumb and i can't even post a goddamn picture, what the hell. when i figure it out i will post what i think is a plant being feed almost pefectly.

 

[superjet]

I've found that the most challenging thing about using V+B is following the directions. If you go back a few posts, you will see that ICBuds consciously made the decision to continue feeding at a higher rate than the directions call for. People follow their own paths - you cannot fault the nutrient if experimentation creates differing results than what you consider ideal. Personally, I've been pretty damn happy with the stuff and no, I don't find the nitrogen levels too high. The variability in the formula has been a little frustrating, but as Dan said, overall it works better with my water than anything else that I've used.

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rives, the last thing i need or want is to piss more people off but, those plants are srceaming for some phosphorous! your plants should not look like that, are you just fucking with me or what? i'm at a loss for words when i see plants in that much nutrient stress and people are digging it. before you bash me let me get some pics up and explain what i'm talking about as far as zero nutrient stress. a one part nutrient for everybody sounds great and all but should only be used by total beginners while or until they learn something about plant nutrition and how to read and feed your plants.

 

[rives]

rives, the last thing i need or want is to piss more people off but, those plants are srceaming for some phosphorous! your plants should not look like that, are you just fucking with me or what? i'm at a loss for words when i see plants in that much nutrient stress and people are digging it. before you bash me let me get some pics up and explain what i'm talking about as far as zero nutrient stress. a one part nutrient for everybody sounds great and all but should only be used by total beginners while or until they learn something about plant nutrition and how to read and feed your plants.

You aren't going to piss me off, I'm open for debate. As far as needing phosphorus, the only thing that looks like a P deficiency to me is the yellowed lower leaves which in this case is from a plant at 65 days. If it was that pronounced of a P def, the growth should have been stunted and the stems red. In fact, this is a strain that I've grown for a number of years with a variety of nutrients, and this was my best run to date - I pulled over 10 ozs from 2 plants, and that was after tossing most of the small shit to the side because I simply don't need it. The following picture is what one plant looked like at 35 days, which was a week after I started cutting the feed back. I probably should have waited a bit longer, but this was my first run under new lighting and I didn't have any history to work with.

 

[superjet]

You aren't going to piss me off, I'm open for debate. As far as needing phosphorus, the only thing that looks like a P deficiency to me is the yellowed lower leaves which in this case is from a plant at 65 days. If it was that pronounced of a P def, the growth should have been stunted and the stems red. In fact, this is a strain that I've grown for a number of years with a variety of nutrients, and this was my best run to date - I pulled over 10 ozs from 2 plants, and that was after tossing most of the small shit to the side because I simply don't need it. The following picture is what one plant looked like at 35 days, which was a week after I started cutting the feed back. I probably should have waited a bit longer, but this was my first run under new lighting and I didn't have any history to work with.

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no doubt, that plant looks healthy! the previous one does not, imho. there are so many variables to growing that for sure there is absolutely no one way to feed or grow. the one part nute debate will always be there i guess.

 

[superjet]

here i am calling people dumb and i can't even post a goddamn picture, what the hell. when i figure it out i will post what i think is a plant being feed almost pefectly.

 

[superjet]

the res on those pics suck. anyways that's some sfv og @ 45 days with just under 2 weeks to go. 6 five footers will pull 1000g no larf at all with a 2 part harvest under two 600w lights every other month. i will try to post a better picture you can't see shit in these. the plants are starting to lighten up pretty evenly, i feel the nutes are spot on on these.

 

[rives]

the res on those pics suck. anyways that's some sfv og @ 45 days with just under 2 weeks to go. 6 five footers will pull 1000g no larf at all with a 2 part harvest under two 600w lights every other month. i will try to post a better picture you can't see shit in these. the plants are starting to lighten up pretty evenly, i feel the nutes are spot on on these.

They look pretty green to me for having less than 2 weeks left. Over the last 3+ decades, I've tried lots of different ways of doing things, and at least for me the plants in my pictures tasted better after drying for a week than when I kept that same strain green to the end and cured it for 2 months.

 

[superjet]

They look pretty green to me for having less than 2 weeks left. Over the last 3+ decades, I've tried lots of different ways of doing things, and at least for me the plants in my pictures tasted better after drying for a week than when I kept that same strain green to the end and cured it for 2 months.

yeah, they probably are but i chop the top two thirds of the plants and let the bottom one third go another two weeks extending the flush to three. if i get the first cut too light the second cut will suffer. it's funny how we all do things differently to achieve the same end goal. maybe that's why its so hard to give and take advice once you've done this for a while, three decades of growing is a little longer than i've been growing. thanks for hearing me through, i'm outta here.

 

[dansbuds]

The ladies are lookin great Rives !!!

Like I said ..... a little tweeking & the V&B works great !!!
these are at 68 days been flushing for about 10 days & have a few more to go ..... fed with nothing but V&B & drip clean .... thats it !!!

 

[rives]

Damn! Looking great, Dan.

 

[dansbuds]

Thanx Rives

But if you look in the last 2 pics .... its still a little high on the N . you can see the dark green waxy leaves . its not as bad as when i had the foxtails & airy buds ..... but yeah the V&B is a little N heavy IMHO .
yours don't look like that !!! maybe i'm feeding a bit heavier than you ??? i didn't go over 900ppm ...1.8 EC & still got the dark green & waxy leaves .
they are sativa ..... so maybe the 1.8 was still a little to much ...... well , i'll just keep tweeking it till i get it down pat .

 

[slowandeasy]

Thanx Rives

But if you look in the last 2 pics .... its still a little high on the N . you can see the dark green waxy leaves . its not as bad as when i had the foxtails & airy buds ..... but yeah the V&B is a little N heavy IMHO .
yours don't look like that !!! maybe i'm feeding a bit heavier than you ??? i didn't go over 900ppm ...1.8 EC & still got the dark green & waxy leaves .
they are sativa ..... so maybe the 1.8 was still a little to much ...... well , i'll just keep tweeking it till i get it down pat .

Start using Overdrive....drop the V+B lower. Good job tho, look good

 

[rives]

Thanx Rives

But if you look in the last 2 pics .... its still a little high on the N . you can see the dark green waxy leaves . its not as bad as when i had the foxtails & airy buds ..... but yeah the V&B is a little N heavy IMHO .
yours don't look like that !!! maybe i'm feeding a bit heavier than you ??? i didn't go over 900ppm ...1.8 EC & still got the dark green & waxy leaves .
they are sativa ..... so maybe the 1.8 was still a little to much ...... well , i'll just keep tweeking it till i get it down pat .

Dan, the run in the pictures was fed at 1.6 EC for the first 28 days, then down to 1.1 for the next 2 weeks, .6 for the next 3 weeks, .25 for the last week. I think that I should have kept the mix a little stronger for longer, but I ran the girls 2 weeks longer than I had originally planned on and my new lights were considerably more intense than what I've been using (and the ball took a bad hop, the sun was in my eyes....).

 

[Medium Pimpin']

ECSD

81 Daze Done!
V&B only, no additives

 

[Medium Pimpin']

up next, GSC/ Black Widow

GSC

BW

 

[dansbuds]

Right on rives & medium pimpin !!!! can't vote on anymore threads today , but when i can i'll hit ya both

It turns out my water here is so freakin dirty cuz of the old galvanized pipes that it killed my RO/DI filters in a matter of a couple months , which is why i was getting MAG & K defs !!!
I ordered a new 6 stage unit & took the old unit apart & am using the 3 sediment filters as a prefilter to the 6 stage , so now i have 9 stages to clean my water before it hits the storage barrel & i bought 2 replacement filter kits & 6 DI filters to be able to keep up with clean water .
so it wasn't the change in formulas like i thought .... it was my water ....again !!! this is the second place with shitty water & even worse than the last place ..... i can't get a break here at all

 

[real ting]

Anyone else getting a sulfur smell in their reservoir?

I just set up a new 44 gal res two weeks ago, it's a bulk res, this water is not circulated back from the plants, it's not a root rot issue. Ran with real clean tap water, .05EC, and running a new batch of veg+bloom r/o soft water from EC .6 to 1.2. When I pop the lid on the res it has that sulfur stinky foot smell. I got this a little bit in the past when I was running a 32 gal res, but it's much stronger now for sure. The new brute has a tighter fitting lid, do I need to add an air stone or water pump to circulate? Any ideas?

It's been refilled about 3 times in that 2 week period. Temp ranges from 66-78.