Obama administration signals change from prison to treatment in drug war

[Mud Boy]

^^^That's exactly what I was talking about in another thread when I called them re-education camps because that's what is going to happen. Anyone who thinks that these fascist motherfuckers have suddenly become enlightened is only fooling themselves. I'll take jail. At least I can get high there.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

^^^That's exactly what I was talking about in another thread when I called them re-education camps because that's what is going to happen. Anyone who thinks that these fascist motherfuckers have suddenly become enlightened is only fooling themselves. I'll take jail. At least I can get high there.

herd that brotha every time them maggots open their mouths it's lie's spewing forth I know this we should be hearing about the ruler's voter election fraud from 08 and last yr. wonder why 11 million have been promised amnesty oops pathway to citizenship.

here you go google how many states don't require ID when you vote or register to vote. I know Colorado is one after the video I watched . lmao duder walks in to register they ask him for ID he says I don't have any n/p just be sure to signed your name at the bottom. I was told by my friend here state I live in last fall when he and his mom went they went asked for id it was even in their hands ready to show no need to here go vote. I didn't vote last yr 1st time since 1984 otherwise I would have known this of yrs past I've always had to show my state ID

 

[LayedBack]

Well I'd still take a treatment facility over jail man. I know if your forced to go it's basically jail but at the same time at least I'd be in a place with a bunch of junkies rather than rapist and murderers (at least most of them won't be). Probably get a little better treatment and more freedom as well. To me it's a step up. Get it the fuck started and then we can worry about actually improving the situation further down the road. Change takes a LONG time and most often it's not perfect change but sometimes it's preferable.

Also this way we might not end up with felonies on our record which prevent us from getting employed. Think about it man, you really want a felony and jail time over being locked up in a decent little facility for a while? With perhaps less time than you would serve in jail? Take what you can get!

 

[frito bandito]

Keep smoking that establishment cock. Sure, maybe the treatment facilities "won't be so bad", and maybe you will "get used to it after awhile." At least you won't have to worry about the nightmare scenario of having a black mark on your official permanent record! You disgust me.

The entire corrupt system is going to collapse inwards on itself soon. Those who are paying attention, know this. Reform is a waste of time and energy. The system is unsustainable and will destroy itself. If you aren't stocking up on gold and silver literally as we speak, and if you don't have valuable skills already developed that will let you survive in a post-fiat currency economy, then you are clueless and naive, and are nothing more than a lap dog who will starve when there are no more scraps to be tossed. Best case scenario, you will be murdered in the ensuing riots. I bet that's a lot better than starving to death.

 

[LayedBack]

Keep smoking that establishment cock. Sure, maybe the treatment facilities "won't be so bad", and maybe you will "get used to it after awhile." At least you won't have to worry about the nightmare scenario of having a black mark on your official permanent record! You disgust me.

The entire corrupt system is going to collapse inwards on itself soon. Those who are paying attention, know this. Reform is a waste of time and energy. The system is unsustainable and will destroy itself. If you aren't stocking up on gold and silver literally as we speak, and if you don't have valuable skills already developed that will let you survive in a post-fiat currency economy, then you are clueless and naive, and are nothing more than a lap dog who will starve when there are no more scraps to be tossed. Best case scenario, you will be murdered in the ensuing riots. I bet that's a lot better than starving to death.

Honestly you sound like you're smoking too much heady Sativa or perhaps some bathtub crank. Calm the fuck down mr. the world can do no good and we're all doomed.

Did you ever once consider the possibility that changing from prison to treatment facilities can actually be the first step towards legalization/decrim of drugs in general and a complete change in policy? No you didn't, because you're an asshole who had to insult me and call me a fool for wanting TO CHANGE AN ALREADY BROKEN SYSTEM. It's fucking broken already man, we need change and we're never gonna get legalization or decriminalization of hard drugs unless we do something like this first. Change is rarely perfect but sometimes it's preferable.

But no, you can keep buying your gold and shitting rose petals and acting like an elitist prick who's better than everyone else.

 

[Tony Aroma]

Well I'd still take a treatment facility over jail man.

It doesn't work like that. If you relapse and test positive (as most addicts do at least a few times), you go to jail. If this truly is a "health issue," then why is the criminal justice system involved at all? For what other health issue do they send you to jail if you don't get better? This is the same old prohibition with a new PR campaign.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

lol people think treatment works have news for ya only if the addict truly wants to be clean even then it's a battle for them to stay clean. MJ will be a drug to be treated for because it's still illegal on federal level

so just think ya never broke the law never arrested but get poped for some MJ ok off to mandatory treatment.

but then again everything the socialist muslim dictator says is truth correct ?? I don't know

 

[LayedBack]

It doesn't work like that. If you relapse and test positive (as most addicts do at least a few times), you go to jail. If this truly is a "health issue," then why is the criminal justice system involved at all? For what other health issue do they send you to jail if you don't get better? This is the same old prohibition with a new PR campaign.

Well you make a good point but that still wouldn't be any worst than being in jail or on parole so what would we have to lose really? Thing is this policy could make it so we don't automatically get a blotch on our record or at least one to a lesser extent. And staying in a treatment facility at least to me sounds preferable to jail or prison. Finally, while this policy might flawed big time there is always the potential for improvement from here on. Instead of viewing addicts as criminals who belong in jail this can allow Americans to start viewing them as people that need medical treatment. Perhaps drug charges that would send us to jail/prison in the future people might end up on some sort of treatment parole instead where we can even continue our lives. All because we switched policies and thus opened that door to the future.

What I'm seeing so far are no real negatives but quite a few potential benefits. So what's so wrong about that? Maybe I'm missing something but so far I feel like we don't have anything to lose so why not try it?

 

[Tony Aroma]

What I'm seeing so far are no real negatives but quite a few potential benefits. So what's so wrong about that? Maybe I'm missing something but so far I feel like we don't have anything to lose so why not try it?

You might be missing a few things that some might consider negatives.

Most people arrested for drugs, especially for weed, are not drug addicts. Forcing a responsible user into rehab is not good. Putting a young kid who occasionally smokes some weed in with a bunch of hardcore addicts can as bad as putting them in jail, and certainly worse than just letting them off with a fine or probation.

As others have mentioned, for actual addicts, rehab only really works if it's voluntary. Mandatory treatment results in lots of relapses, which means jail, which means a relapse is NOT a health issue after all. Bottom line, for actual addicts there is no difference. They still end up in jail same as before.

As long as the criminal justice system is involved, it's not being treated as a health issue. In other words, the new drug policy is the same as the old policy, and is not a step in any direction.

 

[vta]

Thing is this policy could make it so we don't automatically get a blotch on our record or at least one to a lesser extent.

Just a 'blotch' that screams Drug Addict. Don't let Obama fool you.... These guys want to control your every move in life. Go back and re-read what Tony posted. It's all about money....were talking the whole gambit....it starts with the bastards that own the prisons and rehabilitation centers then on to the lobbyists that pay your elected officials to get shit like this going. Government and corporations control the people...take a look at any history book to see where that leads. EDIT...make sure that history book was written at least 20 years ago...

 

[Mud Boy]

Honestly you sound like you're smoking too much heady Sativa or perhaps some bathtub crank. Calm the fuck down mr. the world can do no good and we're all doomed.

Did you ever once consider the possibility that changing from prison to treatment facilities can actually be the first step towards legalization/decrim of drugs in general and a complete change in policy? No you didn't, because you're an asshole who had to insult me and call me a fool for wanting TO CHANGE AN ALREADY BROKEN SYSTEM. It's fucking broken already man, we need change and we're never gonna get legalization or decriminalization of hard drugs unless we do something like this first. Change is rarely perfect but sometimes it's preferable.

But no, you can keep buying your gold and shitting rose petals and acting like an elitist prick who's better than everyone else.

I think you need to run along with the rest of the sheep. Get up, stand up or go home and hide under the bed.

 

[MrSterling]

I think yall need to figure out how to keep this discussion civil.

 

[LayedBack]

Guys I'm not that naive. I know what addiction is like and I know an addict can't just be thrown into a facility and expect to overcome his addiction until he's ready to do so. Want to know how I know that? Because I'm a damned addict...

I know politicians are liars, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I know the bottom line is all about money.

But what I'm saying here is it probably can't get much worst for us anyways, Americans have already realize the drug war is losing us money in the end and it's not working. We already go to prison for non-violent drug crimes. So what do you even fucking care if they want to change the policy around a bit? When I see drug treatment facilities instead of prison I see vulnerability in the policy itself. Try to think about the bigger picture here. A fairy isn't just going to swoop down and legalize hard drugs. But a policy like this opens a huge debate for the future and shows Americans that addiction is a health problem and shouldn't be a criminal offense. Sure the policy itself will have it's share of limitations and flaws, but my point remains the same. This is something that can be WORKED WITH IN TIME. PERCEPTION IS REALITY PEOPLE.

I mean the Netherlands have a similar rehabilitation policy and they are doing better than everyone else by far. They have less addicts on average and all sorts of benefits because of their policy. And yes I KNOW this new policy isn't the same as theirs but it is similar and it could CHANGE into something like what the Netherlands have in the future.

I think yall need to figure out how to keep this discussion civil.

Sure thing boss. I'll admit I may have gotten a bit emotional and said a thing or two that I'll apologize for. Just think Mudboy came off as extremely rude especially considering he doesn't even know me. People shouldn't be insulted on here just for expressing their opinions and I wish he'd see that, and maybe toke a bit of indica and mellow out a bit.

 

[frito bandito]

I think yall need to figure out how to keep this discussion civil.

I think you need to figure out how to pull your head from your ass.

Not every discussion on here needs a fucking nanny present. If someone can't handle being called a name, then maybe that person should grow the fuck up and grow some thicker skin, instead of whining and throwing a temper tantrum about it. That especially goes for moderators.

If someone doesn't like it to be pointed out that they are smoking establishment cock, then maybe they should pull that large, dripping member out of their mouths, and it will not be pointed out. lol

Tell Hitler I said hello, and to go fuck himself.

 

[Ez Rider]

Keep smoking that establishment cock. Sure, maybe the treatment facilities "won't be so bad", and maybe you will "get used to it after awhile." At least you won't have to worry about the nightmare scenario of having a black mark on your official permanent record! You disgust me.

The entire corrupt system is going to collapse inwards on itself soon. Those who are paying attention, know this. Reform is a waste of time and energy. The system is unsustainable and will destroy itself. If you aren't stocking up on gold and silver literally as we speak, and if you don't have valuable skills already developed that will let you survive in a post-fiat currency economy, then you are clueless and naive, and are nothing more than a lap dog who will starve when there are no more scraps to be tossed. Best case scenario, you will be murdered in the ensuing riots. I bet that's a lot better than starving to death.

I'll bet you were stocking up for the "Mayan Apocalypse" last year, and Y2K before that...Do you have barrels of rice and beans, and crates of ammo in your basement? Stay away from talk-radio... it is bad for you.

Just a thought... Will gold and silver be worth ANYTHING when all the industries which make them valuable are gone? After your alleged collapse, methinks a can of Spam, or a jar of Dank will be worth more than a brick of gold.

 

[Mud Boy]

Sure thing boss.

Have some Kool Aid suck boy.

I'll bet you were stocking up for the "Mayan Apocalypse" last year, and Y2K before that...Do you have barrels of rice and beans, and crates of ammo in your basement? Stay away from talk-radio... it is bad for you.

Just a thought... Will gold and silver be worth ANYTHING when all the industries which make them valuable are gone? After your alleged collapse, methinks a can of Spam, or a jar of Dank will be worth more than a brick of gold.

You too, pinhead. Methinks? Is everybody on this site a limp wristed twat?

 

[mojave green]

when i see them reschedule weed, i'll believe the bastards.

 

[Ez Rider]

You too, pinhead. Methinks? Is everybody on this site a limp wristed twat?

Keep bending over and dropping trou for the limp wrists. Come the apocalypse, you can trade your bung for spam.

 

[DevilWeedSeeds]

But what of all the folks working in the prison industrial complex?
What will become of them?
Where else will these cretins find work?

Harvesting cannabis on the farm.

 

[frito bandito]

I'll bet you were stocking up for the "Mayan Apocalypse" last year, and Y2K before that...Do you have barrels of rice and beans, and crates of ammo in your basement? Stay away from talk-radio... it is bad for you.

You'll bet? LOL...no you won't. People like you say "I'll bet", but it's just a trite, pithy phrase. You don't mean it, because if you actually bet anything you'd lose. You make a bunch of wild assumptions, but when you're wrong, do you own up to it and say "damn, I guess I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about after all?" Ha. Of course not.

#1 I don't listen to talk radio, or even watch TV. My news comes from about 1,000+ different Internet sources, 67.82% of which are reputable, with the others still being valuable as a way to keep up with the latest propaganda lines being produced for mass consumption (i.e. by sheep like you.) Ever heard of Google News? Not exactly a "conspiracy theorist" source, I'd say.

#2 Why would I stock up for a "Mayan Apocalypse", or Y2k? I knew far in advance that both were bullshit. Hell, back in the Y2k days I too was laughing at those who were buying gold and silver. I was a fucking fool, just like you are now. If I had bought gold and silver then I would be WEALTHY today.

Just a thought... Will gold and silver be worth ANYTHING when all the industries which make them valuable are gone?

How quickly do you think the jewelry industry is going away? LOL.

After your alleged collapse, methinks a can of Spam, or a jar of Dank will be worth more than a brick of gold.

Which is why, while you're running around in the streets starving to death, I will be comfortably isolated in my small town and trading jars of dank for bricks of gold.

I guess you don't see the irony in laughing about somebody's "bag of rice and beans", while yourself admitting that a "can of spam" will be a valuable item to possess post-collapse.