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trying to prevent bad yellowing in early flower for next run

smokefx

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hi guys, posted a couple times about this and i'm trying to pin point my problem, before i get into details here's my grow info:

-room temp 78-84F 40% room humidity
-sealed room 1650 ppm co2 enrichment
-i'm using 50/50 coco/perlite (small cup -> 1 gal pot -> 2 gal smart pot)
vegging in a tent under a 8 bulb T5, flowering under 1000w hps
nutrients i'm using h3ad 6/9 gh flora 1/2 tsp epsom per gal at 5.6-6.2 pH, i use some great white for mycos, when i flower i use 5ml per gal floranectar for my sweetner, humic/fulvic acid, an big bud and super natural bud blaster for my bloom boosters (some say too much stuff but 've used same mix with great success before at a different garden), i'm topping at 2.4 ec (1200 ppm .5 tds factor)
-flooding ebb flow 4x4 trays, 9 plants per tray
-1500w of hps lightning per tray, flooding twice a day lights on and off for 10minutes
-gdp indica strain very short, topped and trained w/ scrog screen

ok, so basically i'm vegging in the tent for about a month from cup to 1 gal then to 2 gal, and throwing them under 1000w in my flowering room, first problem i had was i had yellowing i think due to the plants not hardening off and the leaves would yellow and die and new growth would come out (i'm going to raise the lights much higher, and do some premeasures to harden them off with a 600w in the tent), but my last run, after they healed from the light stress from the 1000w they got green again and i flipped them but after i flipped them all the fan leaves on my plants started yellowing badly and i thought maybe they would get better (they looked hungry) but they just got worst and the leaves started dying off, im trying to determine if my problem is:

-plants are not getting enough nutrients, or plants are getting overfed
-light stress continued after they healed
-minor alagae buildup causing pH to not stablize causing nutrient def/lockout
-roots in pot have outgrown the pot causing buds to suck all the nutrients from fan leaves
-nutrient defiency ranging from N def, Mg def, and even P def with so many symptoms i'm thinking its a pH problem (but i'm trying to keep pH at around 5.8 in the rootzone)

the buds themselves look ok, but i'm guessing they would've got much bigger, and im thinking its going to cause me problems my last few weeks of flowering when they're suppose to be getting yellow, effecting my yield

thanks for reading my long post and hopefully i can get some good advice/input on what i can do to prevent this from happening again.
 

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medicalmj

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Yeah I'd agree that your best option is to scale the nutes back. First, plants cannot absorb sugar, they make sugar (G3P) and actually send to the roots via the plasmodesmata that interconnect all the plant cells. So no need for it and can easily cause bad bacteria to grow, which can cause iron chlorosis.

Second, all plant mass is from CO2, not nutes. Nutes only facilitate G3P production. And of course that's what's important.

So, if it were me, I'd flush (pH'd w 1/4 base nutes), foliar and resume a simple nute regiment. I use GH flora 3 part. You don't need anything else. I foliar with GH flora at about 1/4 - 1/2 strength.
 

ortsa1

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2.4 ec is pretty high, last cycle i never went over .8 ec w/ blumats no run off

and 1.6 ec normal feed cns17 nutes and calmag as needed
 

homebrew420

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2.4 is bigger than needed. 2.0 is max for short time. More than they need really, I just want them fat not starved.

Peace
 

Trend

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Drop the bennies with 6/9. Over populating and depleting nitrogen. Your ec is stupid high with 6/9 you should be closer to 1.3 ec. Too many additives also causing imbalances. Lower co2 closer to 1100. Keep lights high as possible first week of bloom then lower a lil each day. 4/5 feeds get very slight run off keep ph @ 6.0 with one feed @ 5.5 once a week. I don't see how you are giving them 1500w per 4x4 but that's a total over kill. Yields will double easily. Starting ppm of water ideal @ 50ppm.
 

heatherlonglee

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Just briefly looking in here. Looks like the pots are to small to me? Coco isn't really my thing but those leaves don't look burnt. I would also agree that you seem to be feeding high. Those leaves in the photo's aren't nutrient burn, they look yellow and soft, not burnt and crispy. Obviously couldn't be underfeeding by high levels of nutes, why do plants look underfed? Pot size for whatever reason, longer veg time, starting from seed with larger tap roots, any number of slightly different variables. Looks hungry but no real signs of nute burn or under watering from what I see. Hard to over water coco. Roots outgrew your pot buy just a little.
 

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