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{Alien}♧{Dawg}~Kiddie Pools/600 & 430 Vert\Build~Live}Step by-step...
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All 8 ladies in place and I decided to keep the 2 ladies already in air pots in place and buried em..
Well see how that goes..
I can see a lot of potential for air pots in a pool..
Think im ready to give up smart pots and go all air pots.. I've really enjoyed them..
Ok.. For now im using a 4 ring pulse feeding line, just to get them wet.
Hooking up the pool to the veg closet control bucket and watching what happens..
Well see how that goes..
I can see a lot of potential for air pots in a pool..
Think im ready to give up smart pots and go all air pots.. I've really enjoyed them..
Ok.. For now im using a 4 ring pulse feeding line, just to get them wet.
Hooking up the pool to the veg closet control bucket and watching what happens..
Thinned out Veg closet. ..
Things to play with tomorrow....
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Things to play with tomorrow....
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DaveTheNewbie
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Next time rather than cut the bag off, you should try just burying when whole thing. It works great, and you don't rip any roots apart.
Looking forward to your pool grow.
Looking forward to your pool grow.
Think im going buried pots in pool 2, like ya suggest for obvious reasons.
Wondering/worried about the fabric staying moist and buried though..
Mold and roots staying to wet are my concerns.
Water not being able ta flow feely being a smaller issue.
Yet im starting to think im simply over thinking it and should just go with the flow..lol
Im not liking the stress the 1st 3 ladies are showing. ( They had a hard time of it as I got the feeling for depoting) Going to take time to recover..
We'll. . Guess this way I'll be able to compare the 2 pools..
Glad ta see ya Bubblehead...
It's your table grows that started this whole pool idea in my head...
Really like using beds rather than single pots...
Much better if only one strain is used but still..
If this wave was not for beans (need to keep plant separated) I would lay these ladies on a 30 degree angle and start training them around the rim then fill the center with canopy and flip.
Horizontal 600 would do wonders..
A trained SOG pool party...
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Somethin eles dawned on me last night as we'll.
Should have hit me after the 1st pot. (Damn Blue Hogs)
I used 2" holes in the pools for 1-1/2" tail pieces.
To give space for the zip ties holding the screens on the bottom of said tail pieces.
Once I cut the pots away..
Whats holding the tail piece in place.. only a few roots... holding the weight. .
Cant help but wonder how many wicks will tear off and fall into the totes...
Things like this are why I go slow with new idea's. .lol
Should have hit me after the 1st pot. (Damn Blue Hogs)
I used 2" holes in the pools for 1-1/2" tail pieces.
To give space for the zip ties holding the screens on the bottom of said tail pieces.
Once I cut the pots away..
Whats holding the tail piece in place.. only a few roots... holding the weight. .
Cant help but wonder how many wicks will tear off and fall into the totes...
Things like this are why I go slow with new idea's. .lol
Those are going to be big plants! Lots of root space is good. Also very nice line up of strains. Will be tuning in Dawg
Eh Alien..
a little late now, but maybe for the future.
I believe they make this "construction barrier" plastic netting in WHITE which can sometimes be found at major nurseries before winter time. I believe they use them for tossing over bushes/shrubs to prevent the weight of the snow from mangling them.
Not sure if it'd matter since they'll ultimately be overgrown by plants, but might be a bit easier on the eyes..
They also make Smart Pots now that are called the "transplanter" or something. They are pre-sliced, but in an overlapping fashion to where they stay together/no media falls out.
a little late now, but maybe for the future.
I believe they make this "construction barrier" plastic netting in WHITE which can sometimes be found at major nurseries before winter time. I believe they use them for tossing over bushes/shrubs to prevent the weight of the snow from mangling them.
Not sure if it'd matter since they'll ultimately be overgrown by plants, but might be a bit easier on the eyes..
They also make Smart Pots now that are called the "transplanter" or something. They are pre-sliced, but in an overlapping fashion to where they stay together/no media falls out.
Great info, bro...
Live and learn as far as tail pieces go.. All good I have a fix/upgrade already. .
You'll see with pool 2.
Stay tuned my friend..
Going ta be a good nite..
Didn't even think white.. da..lol
I've seen the new pots.. Nice design..
Though I find the air pots a lot more fun ..
Im going ta re use the cut fabric for other idea's. .
Gotz me a new control/pulse tote..
Seems a shame ta use tire valves on this bad boy..
Thinking 1/2 PVC into the tent then the 2-- 3/8" line's. Needed for the pool's..
This will give me some options are far as wave or flood pulsing..
Just got ta build it...
Control bucket on(Roids)
Going ta pump YOU UP!!!
Seems a shame ta use tire valves on this bad boy..
Thinking 1/2 PVC into the tent then the 2-- 3/8" line's. Needed for the pool's..
This will give me some options are far as wave or flood pulsing..
Just got ta build it...
Control bucket on(Roids)
Going ta pump YOU UP!!!
Really like these 1" Grommets. . Lots of ways ta go....
Question for those that know..
I have 4 --- 400 gph pumps.. By hooking 2 to 4 up ta 1/2" PVC.
Do I acutely double ta quadruple the GPH or will the pumps balance out the pressure and still only give me 400-500 gph Max.
Ie.. Is it worth using more than 2 pumps ?
Should I make 2 pumps into one 1/2" pvc line pulsing 1 pool.
1 pump per pool..
4 pumps into 1 pvc line pulsing both pool at the end.(T-connection)
Guess I should look up the volume capacity of 1/2" pvc..lol
Think I'll use 1 grommet ta feed the lower totes... was thinking 2 but why have more pipes on the floor...
So this means 8 bottom totes feed into 1 pvc 1/2 pipe.. humm..
Question for those that know..
I have 4 --- 400 gph pumps.. By hooking 2 to 4 up ta 1/2" PVC.
Do I acutely double ta quadruple the GPH or will the pumps balance out the pressure and still only give me 400-500 gph Max.
Ie.. Is it worth using more than 2 pumps ?
Should I make 2 pumps into one 1/2" pvc line pulsing 1 pool.
1 pump per pool..
4 pumps into 1 pvc line pulsing both pool at the end.(T-connection)
Guess I should look up the volume capacity of 1/2" pvc..lol
Think I'll use 1 grommet ta feed the lower totes... was thinking 2 but why have more pipes on the floor...
So this means 8 bottom totes feed into 1 pvc 1/2 pipe.. humm..
GPM/GPH Flow based on PVC Pipe SizeThere are now 3 charts and one formula on this page showing water flow through a pipe.*
These 3 charts come from 3 different sources, and they all are just general guidelines. and should not be relied on as a precise source for information or as a substitute for engineering.
The data between them does vary. In the chart to the left is a general guideline for how much liquid a pipe of specific size can flow in GPM (Gallons Per Minute) & GPH (Gallons Per Hour.)
There are three columns. (Well there are really six, but each colum is shown in Gallons per minute, and then again as Gallons per Hour.) The first set of columns would be the minium you would expect for the pipe size shown using nothing but gravity in a low head pressure situation to power the flow.
The 2nd set of columns show what you can expect using an average pump with a pressure from 20 to 100psi. The 3rd set of columns is the maximum flow based on maximum recommended velocity of the liquid in the pipe. You may exceed this, but you will have to contend with excessive noise and exceedingly high inertial impacts.
(I.e. Possible system failure due to hydraulic hammer effects.) This is a very general guide and is subject to many variables. Pressure, noise allowance, bends, fittings, viscosity, etc. affect how much liquid will flow through a pipe of given size. If you can accept more noise and have higher pressure, you can pump more at the risk of system failure.
If you have a lot of bends and fittings you will flow less. The flow rates shown should not produce unacceptable noise, however, many variables affect noise, so this is no guarantee that the system will be noiseless.
Sometimes experimentation is the only sure way to know if a system will be noisy or not.
The flow rates shown are for water, with viscosity of 1.
Higher viscosity liquids will flow less, lower viscosity liquids may flow more. You can use the Hazen-Williams equation below to calculate the exact flow loss through a pipe.
Friction LossIf you really want to get technical and calculate the exact friction loss through PVC and CPVC pipe you can use the
Hazen-Williams equation as expressed below for water:
f = 0.2083 (100/c)1.852*q1.852*/ dh4.8655
********where
f = friction head loss in feet of water per 100 feet
of pipe (fth20/100 ft pipe)
q = volume flow (gal/min)dh*= inside diameter (inches)
c = a constant for internal pipe roughness.
150 is the commonly accepted value for PVC and CPVC pipe.
For example, if you had 50' of straight 1" pipe, then a 1" 90, then another 50' of pipe, your total feet of pipe would be 50' + 2.5' + 50' or 102.5' of pipe equivalent.
For example, if you had 10' of 2" pipe, going to a 2" Tee, and another 10' along the run of the Tee and 20' along the branch, your total would be 10' + 4' + 10' + 12' + 20' or 56' of pipe equivalent.
Now that you have the total equivalent feet of pipe, you can estimate the loss of flow as a percentage. In the first example, you'd have 100' divided by 102.5' or 97.56%.
So if the charts show you can flow 50gph, you'd muliple that by .9756 and you'd get 48.78 gph. In the 2nd example you'd take 40' of pipe, divided 56' of equivalent pipe and you'd get 71%.
So your flow would be .71 times what you would expect to get from just 40' of pipe.
The flow charts on the*flow chart page*are per 100' of pipe.
So if you look up 2", you'd see 3300gph through 100' of 2" pipe if just flowed by gravity.
In his situation you'd multiple 3300gph x 71% (.71) and get 2357 gph per 100' of pipe when flowed by gravity alone.
Since are using less than 100' of pipe total, you'd stop there.
But if you had say 1000' of pipe.
you'd have to do a friction loss calculation for the other 900' of pipe to get your total loss.
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*"High Pressure"
is a general and non-specific figure. What might be "high pressure" for 1/2" pipe (600psi) may not be "high pressure" for 2" pipe (280psi). There are just too many variables to consider to give a real world number.
The fact of the matter is, on a pressurized system, the pump will dictate the flow and pressure as much as the pipe used.
To achieve the flow figures in the peak column, it's assuming there are no bends and a short straight flow path.
If your system has bends and T's, Wyes, etc, you should go to a larger pipe to achieve the flow desired. Also feed pressure effects the system. If the feed pressure is too low, you can get cavitation and you'll damage the pump and flow very little.*
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Friction loss due to pvc pipe fittings
Ans just we dont blow it up...lol
These 3 charts come from 3 different sources, and they all are just general guidelines. and should not be relied on as a precise source for information or as a substitute for engineering.
The data between them does vary. In the chart to the left is a general guideline for how much liquid a pipe of specific size can flow in GPM (Gallons Per Minute) & GPH (Gallons Per Hour.)
There are three columns. (Well there are really six, but each colum is shown in Gallons per minute, and then again as Gallons per Hour.) The first set of columns would be the minium you would expect for the pipe size shown using nothing but gravity in a low head pressure situation to power the flow.
The 2nd set of columns show what you can expect using an average pump with a pressure from 20 to 100psi. The 3rd set of columns is the maximum flow based on maximum recommended velocity of the liquid in the pipe. You may exceed this, but you will have to contend with excessive noise and exceedingly high inertial impacts.
(I.e. Possible system failure due to hydraulic hammer effects.) This is a very general guide and is subject to many variables. Pressure, noise allowance, bends, fittings, viscosity, etc. affect how much liquid will flow through a pipe of given size. If you can accept more noise and have higher pressure, you can pump more at the risk of system failure.
If you have a lot of bends and fittings you will flow less. The flow rates shown should not produce unacceptable noise, however, many variables affect noise, so this is no guarantee that the system will be noiseless.
Sometimes experimentation is the only sure way to know if a system will be noisy or not.
The flow rates shown are for water, with viscosity of 1.
Higher viscosity liquids will flow less, lower viscosity liquids may flow more. You can use the Hazen-Williams equation below to calculate the exact flow loss through a pipe.
Friction LossIf you really want to get technical and calculate the exact friction loss through PVC and CPVC pipe you can use the
Hazen-Williams equation as expressed below for water:
f = 0.2083 (100/c)1.852*q1.852*/ dh4.8655
********where
f = friction head loss in feet of water per 100 feet
of pipe (fth20/100 ft pipe)
q = volume flow (gal/min)dh*= inside diameter (inches)
c = a constant for internal pipe roughness.
150 is the commonly accepted value for PVC and CPVC pipe.
For example, if you had 50' of straight 1" pipe, then a 1" 90, then another 50' of pipe, your total feet of pipe would be 50' + 2.5' + 50' or 102.5' of pipe equivalent.
For example, if you had 10' of 2" pipe, going to a 2" Tee, and another 10' along the run of the Tee and 20' along the branch, your total would be 10' + 4' + 10' + 12' + 20' or 56' of pipe equivalent.
Now that you have the total equivalent feet of pipe, you can estimate the loss of flow as a percentage. In the first example, you'd have 100' divided by 102.5' or 97.56%.
So if the charts show you can flow 50gph, you'd muliple that by .9756 and you'd get 48.78 gph. In the 2nd example you'd take 40' of pipe, divided 56' of equivalent pipe and you'd get 71%.
So your flow would be .71 times what you would expect to get from just 40' of pipe.
The flow charts on the*flow chart page*are per 100' of pipe.
So if you look up 2", you'd see 3300gph through 100' of 2" pipe if just flowed by gravity.
In his situation you'd multiple 3300gph x 71% (.71) and get 2357 gph per 100' of pipe when flowed by gravity alone.
Since are using less than 100' of pipe total, you'd stop there.
But if you had say 1000' of pipe.
you'd have to do a friction loss calculation for the other 900' of pipe to get your total loss.
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*"High Pressure"
is a general and non-specific figure. What might be "high pressure" for 1/2" pipe (600psi) may not be "high pressure" for 2" pipe (280psi). There are just too many variables to consider to give a real world number.
The fact of the matter is, on a pressurized system, the pump will dictate the flow and pressure as much as the pipe used.
To achieve the flow figures in the peak column, it's assuming there are no bends and a short straight flow path.
If your system has bends and T's, Wyes, etc, you should go to a larger pipe to achieve the flow desired. Also feed pressure effects the system. If the feed pressure is too low, you can get cavitation and you'll damage the pump and flow very little.*
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Friction loss due to pvc pipe fittings
Ans just we dont blow it up...lol
Think it tells me 1/2" pvc will move 1200+ gph ... Means 3 pumps max for Wave/flood pulsing. ..
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Looks like...
Glue is needed...
Used 1 1/2" drill bit. Tried 1 3/8 ans was too tight ta get the pvc thru. .
Tonights build is brought to you by....or, slowed down by..
Lambsbread... loaded pipe...
Jars on the tables.. Help ya~selves...
Glue is needed...
Used 1 1/2" drill bit. Tried 1 3/8 ans was too tight ta get the pvc thru. .
Tonights build is brought to you by....or, slowed down by..
Lambsbread... loaded pipe...
Jars on the tables.. Help ya~selves...
I hear that. I've tried everything to get some pvc through some uni-seals. I managed in the past with filed pipe edges and dish-soap (and the help of some bigger muscle), but recent attempts were unsuccessful to the point of just giving up and going with large bulkheads.
How are you planning to glue that up now? Just silicone the slot in the uniseal and pop it in. Before you do anything permanent try lubing the uni-seal/edge of your tub up with Vaseline. Sometimes just this oily barrier can prevent any leaks or drips.
I'm not sure how bad it's dripping but maybe give it a day or so. 2 of my bulkheads leaked around the threads for the 1st day (I didnt lupe my o-rings or anything), but after a few days they must have sealed up with some bio-film or something as they do not leak a drop anymore.
How are you planning to glue that up now? Just silicone the slot in the uniseal and pop it in. Before you do anything permanent try lubing the uni-seal/edge of your tub up with Vaseline. Sometimes just this oily barrier can prevent any leaks or drips.
I'm not sure how bad it's dripping but maybe give it a day or so. 2 of my bulkheads leaked around the threads for the 1st day (I didnt lupe my o-rings or anything), but after a few days they must have sealed up with some bio-film or something as they do not leak a drop anymore.
Thanks FF.. Very useful info..
I forgot about wait a day..lol.
Never herd Vaseline before- I gotz lotz of that around..lol
The glue I use is,
(Amazing Goop) Plumbing.
Awesome stuff that gives a solid seal.
Yet you can pull off ta re use thing's.
I'll be able get em out again..
Luckily the Lambsbread isn't a cotton mouth smoke..
I just used spit and elbow Greece ta get the fittings through.. Nice and snug..
I used the same glue to fix/upgrade the holes in the pool..
Cut a "x" in each patch and push the tail piece thru..
Keeps the medium out of the lower totes and help hold them in place..
I forgot about wait a day..lol.
Never herd Vaseline before- I gotz lotz of that around..lol
The glue I use is,
(Amazing Goop) Plumbing.
Awesome stuff that gives a solid seal.
Yet you can pull off ta re use thing's.
I'll be able get em out again..
Luckily the Lambsbread isn't a cotton mouth smoke..
I just used spit and elbow Greece ta get the fittings through.. Nice and snug..
I used the same glue to fix/upgrade the holes in the pool..
Cut a "x" in each patch and push the tail piece thru..
Keeps the medium out of the lower totes and help hold them in place..
Oh, I decided ta use 1/2" pvc on the lower tote's for pool 2..
For now im using a 5 gallon bucket with jacks mixed in and a pump on a timmer for 1 minute. A hour x 20.. I gave a full 5 gallon wash this morning using the hose ta spray..
