General Recyling questions

[t33to]

Hey IC,

1. I want to recycle my organic soil at the end of it's use but I'm uncertain how to gauge what might need amending at the end of the runs. How can you tell?

2. Do I want to be leaving the roots in the soil?

3. Is it a good idea to mix the old soil up with new organic fertilizers and then transplant the new plants into the mix? Or is it better to just leave the used soil untouched (minus ripping out the dead plant of course) and just transplant into it?

4. Share your personal opinion on what the most efficient organic method is that you have tried and what you yielded from it and whether or not you feel this method could recycled and what you would do at the change ups.

Thanks guys, I'm really looking forward to trying this out!

 

[Coba]

1. look at your plants, were they healthy all the way through? some suggest a "canary in the coal mine" approach... use marigolds. a soil test would be your definitive answer, not a capsule OTC home improvement store bought soil test, but a real test done by an agricultural center or local university extension (both are in the same building here in my county)

2. Yes

3. yes and yes, you have to re-amend if you need to, if you don't, do the latter. but if you re-amend you need to let the nutrients cycle ( compost ) before you transplant cuts into hot soil. and some people let the root ball compost a little to be able to rip out the crown.

4. Recycled Organic Living Soil
this thread helped me conquer my fear of re-using my dirt. everything is here, written already... take the time to read it all, you'll be better for it.


I like to top-dress compost/vermi-compost mainly, and I make nutrient teas with alfalfa, High N/P guano, kelp, aloe, and select indigenous "nutrient accumulator" plants... on an as needed basis.


"and what you yielded from it "
2-3 oz (depending on phenotype) per 3 gallon pot. in a 2x4 tent under 400 watts.

 

[bigshrimp]

If you know what you amended with im sure someone could tell you what proportions to reamend.

If you don't knowthe exact amounts, id go with about a quarter to a third of the original amount. Just watch the slow release materials such as greensand, dolomite, fossilized guano, etc....

More info would defiantly help.

For mixing i just add the old and new soil 50/50 and add some ewc. You can let it cure before or after mixing.

 

[Red Swan]

I found the Living Organic Soil thread to be fairly masturbatory. You don't need to wade through a five hundred page circle jerk to learn how to do it.

I asked an expert grower friend of mine about it (he grows organic plants, he doesn't worship them). He suggested I buy an actual book so I did...

True Living Organics http://www.amazon.com/True-Living-O...64932146&sr=8-1&keywords=true+living+organics

Simple , easy to read, everything you need to know. Less reading and more informative.

Had me sold on organics completely. I've been a hydro/ fert grower for years, but watching how easy it is and seeing my plants and moms better than ever, got me going the organic way.

 

[t33to]

I found the Living Organic Soil thread to be fairly masturbatory. You don't need to wade through a five hundred page circle jerk to learn how to do it.

I asked an expert grower friend of mine about it (he grows organic plants, he doesn't worship them). He suggested I buy an actual book so I did...

True Living Organics http://www.amazon.com/True-Living-O...64932146&sr=8-1&keywords=true+living+organics

Simple , easy to read, everything you need to know. Less reading and more informative.

Had me sold on organics completely. I've been a hydro/ fert grower for years, but watching how easy it is and seeing my plants and moms better than ever, got me going the organic way.

Did you buy the actual book or the epub version?

 

[W89]

he sucked off his expert grower friend for a hard copy....

 

[Coba]

the Living Organic Soil thread, is an expert grower, he grows organic plants. I've been a hydro/ fert grower for years, and seeing my plants, He suggested, to learn how to do it the organic way.


my moms Simple , easy, fairly masturbatory, ... I've been watching for years, better than ever, got me going completely. I asked a friend of mine about a circle jerk.

take your attitude and spam somewhere else, Swan.

 

[Red Swan]

Did you buy the actual book or the epub version?

I bought the actual book. It does wander around a bit ( it is written by a stoner), but it's easy to read and breaks everything down very simply. Recycling my soil is a simple as adding back the same things I added the first time with a few simple additives.
Very uncomplicated. He's got some interesting soil mixes in there, but I'll stick with the mix I started with because so far, it's outstanding and all the ingredients are available at my local nursery.

Simple, simple, simple. The biggest deal was mixing the soil which doesn't take long . Let them sit for a few weeks and you are gold.

For small scale growers like me it's easy. It didn't take long to mix 96 gallons of soil.

Good luck. Another good one is Organic Gardening by Geoff Hamilton. I got it as a gift and it's got everything you need to know for indoor and outdoor gardening of anything. Practical and Common sense. That's all you need. http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Gardening-Geoff-Hamilton/dp/0756671795

People forget about books and how wonderful they are. Too much time on the net is unhealthy, take it from me.

 

[Coba]

See, the beauty of the internet is the information is free. the beauty of threads like the afore mentioned is all these questions have already been asked and then answered... for free. the back and forth interaction between human beings who have the knowledge and those who seek the knowledge is priceless in my opinion, and will not be found in any book.

walking into this website and blasting the very fabric on what this website is based upon ( real people interacting, teaching and learning ) is a slap in the face of this website's administration. then to take the insult even further by recommending a member look elsewhere, to an off-site book store (spam) for the answer to their problems, when the answer can easily be found here in a thread. it's a complete refutal of ICMag membership.

So, based on this website TOU ... 10. Status: As long as you respect our rules you will be a welcome member of this website. Those who have decided to join our community and support what we stand for will be accorded the rights of membership. Members who abuse their member status may see it changed back to Guest as a warning that their behavior is unacceptable. Further abuse will lead to banning.

either support what is going on here or dip out... you could even start your own forum... based on books... where a member can come ask questions and get sent away...

 

[Neo 420]

I found the Living Organic Soil thread to be fairly masturbatory. You don't need to wade through a five hundred page circle jerk to learn how to do it.

I don't even know how to respond....

I asked an expert grower friend of mine about it (he grows organic plants, he doesn't worship them). He suggested I buy an actual book so I did...
True Living Organics http://www.amazon.com/True-Living-O...64932146&sr=8-1&keywords=true+living+organics

If your friend suggests this book, he is not a expert....Straight up.... Pure utter garbage IMO.. The techniques in this book are not used by anybody...

T33to
The very thread this Swann guy dissed will put you in the right direction and help you to develop sound horticulture practices... Stay away from the BRO-SCIENCE crap... Would you rather learn time tested, acceptable methods or stoners trying to get paid science? You make the pick....

How and the fuck is this dude gonna blast internet use for learning while he is obviously on the net giving out bunk information..

That dude got the first neg rep I ever gave since I have been on ICMAG.. I hope that speaks volume for you...

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I found the Living Organic Soil thread to be fairly masturbatory. You don't need to wade through a five hundred page circle jerk to learn how to do it.

I asked an expert grower friend of mine about it (he grows organic plants, he doesn't worship them). He suggested I buy an actual book so I did...

True Living Organics http://www.amazon.com/True-Living-O...64932146&sr=8-1&keywords=true+living+organics

Simple , easy to read, everything you need to know. Less reading and more informative.

Had me sold on organics completely. I've been a hydro/ fert grower for years, but watching how easy it is and seeing my plants and moms better than ever, got me going the organic way.

The person that wrote this book does not use science much. He has some science mixed with some voodoo.

For those of you that believe in voodoo I did not mean to offend you by saying Rev uses it. As I care about the people that practice actual voodoo more than I care about rev.

Maybe one day we will get lucky, and Rev and Subcool will join forces to write a collaborative book. We can use it as a "this is not what to do" for new growers.

 

[John Deere]

I found the Living Organic Soil thread to be fairly masturbatory. You don't need to wade through a five hundred page circle jerk to learn how to do it.

I am master of my own domain.

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

"Recycling my soil is a simple as adding back the same things I added the first time with a few simple additives."- Red Swan

Keep adding dolomite lime back everytime...see what happens.

 

[Neo 420]

"Recycling my soil is a simple as adding back the same things I added the first time with a few simple additives."- Red Swan

Keep adding dolomite lime back everytime...see what happens.

His soil will bind tighter than cement (actually the soil will compact and no water or air will penetrate).

 

[Greenheart]

ROLS sticky ftw!!!

The first 7-12 pages mandatory. The other 500 for expanding the brain while you toke that sweet organic smoke. Still trying to figuire out how much of what to re-ammend with each cycle myself. I gather the food items like neem, crab, alfalfa, kelp, and compost are evey cycle the mineral side stays around longer so I tread lightly each round into that dark night. In the worse case I source some more base material and give things time to do the microbial shuffle before doing the hokey pokey and turning itself about. Maybe I will find the answer in the sticky but just have not gotten that far.

After reading the first post I do not have to worry about making concrete apparently.

 

[FunTimesIndeed]

I am master of my own domain.

Lord of the manor.

 

[John Deere]

King of the county.

 

[Greenheart]

Top cola.

 

[Red Swan]

Wow,

Looks like I touched a nerve. I've been around boards long enough to see what they cost.

I've met a few people from the boards ... I wouldn't say we were friends, barely aquaintances, as compared to my real friends . A real friend, a real community is not convenient. It's a commitment. The idea of this being comparable to a real community is a little sad. It's community light.

The people I've met from the boards have been split down the middle. Half are normal , well adjusted people who can hold a job. They smoke to enjoy going out and enjoying what life has to offer.

The other half, introverts who don't socialize in the real world, so this is the place they can be a "somebody". They smoke not to enjoy life, but to check out of life and turn away from it. They are socially backward in real life so online is the only place they can be a "somebody".
This matters to them. It's warped.

It's a trap.

If you are blessed with real friends, real family , where you are there for each other thick and thin, then you have a keen awareness of the time being on line takes away from them and the loss in the quality time spent with real community, real friends.

Now as for my buddy... he's the most successful guy I know in the MJ world, forum owner, organic fert supplier, warehouse grower, genetic preservationist. Everything he has told me has worked. All the genetics I've gotten have been better than any of my seed grows and I've grown a lot of seeds.

We talked at length ( a real talk, with real voices between real friends) about the silliness of forums and that you have to wade through a lot of shit, to get to the meat and potatoes.

At face value, what doesn't one have in real life if your invented online persona is important enough to waste thousands of hours you could be spending enjoying the world?

And then when the site goes down, like Overgrow, Dr Chronics site, Cannabis World, Planet Ganja... I could go on. When it goes down and your handle and replies are all on some hard drive somewhere, where is the community?

No where. You are alone, in front of a computer, having imaginary conversations with people who have no relevance in your life. That's the truth. When you meet the people in real life that you interacted with you realize that you had no idea who that person was and you were living in your own head. It's sobering. One of the most respected online guys I met was a clueless, socially inept wierdo who had trouble ordering food at a restaurant. Yet online , he was a hero.

I've met breeders, admins , many people behind the scenes and they all share this perspective, which is why they profit off of it.

Now, I'm enjoying some Whitefire #3 later that was grown wonderfully in recycled organic soil with the help of a real friend who set me straight.

I'm not trying to hurt anyone, I hope you don't make the same mistakes I did. I used to believe in this shit, I was even a mod. Now, I make sure to put that energy into actually doing things instead of just imagining them. This is the pot calling the kettle black indeed. I was the biggest fool because this used to matter to me.

 

[imnotcrazy]

Sorry for the off topic, but this chaps my ass...

Sorry for the off topic, but this chaps my ass...

Wow,

Looks like I touched a nerve. I've been around boards long enough to see what they cost.

I've met a few people from the boards ... I wouldn't say we were friends, barely aquaintances, as compared to my real friends . A real friend, a real community is not convenient. It's a commitment. The idea of this being comparable to a real community is a little sad. It's community light.

The people I've met from the boards have been split down the middle. Half are normal , well adjusted people who can hold a job. They smoke to enjoy going out and enjoying what life has to offer.

The other half, introverts who don't socialize in the real world, so this is the place they can be a "somebody". They smoke not to enjoy life, but to check out of life and turn away from it. They are socially backward in real life so online is the only place they can be a "somebody".
This matters to them. It's warped.

It's a trap.

If you are blessed with real friends, real family , where you are there for each other thick and thin, then you have a keen awareness of the time being on line takes away from them and the loss in the quality time spent with real community, real friends.

Now as for my buddy... he's the most successful guy I know in the MJ world, forum owner, organic fert supplier, warehouse grower, genetic preservationist. Everything he has told me has worked. All the genetics I've gotten have been better than any of my seed grows and I've grown a lot of seeds.

We talked at length ( a real talk, with real voices between real friends) about the silliness of forums and that you have to wade through a lot of shit, to get to the meat and potatoes.

At face value, what doesn't one have in real life if your invented online persona is important enough to waste thousands of hours you could be spending enjoying the world?

And then when the site goes down, like Overgrow, Dr Chronics site, Cannabis World, Planet Ganja... I could go on. When it goes down and your handle and replies are all on some hard drive somewhere, where is the community?

No where. You are alone, in front of a computer, having imaginary conversations with people who have no relevance in your life. That's the truth. When you meet the people in real life that you interacted with you realize that you had no idea who that person was and you were living in your own head. It's sobering. One of the most respected online guys I met was a clueless, socially inept wierdo who had trouble ordering food at a restaurant. Yet online , he was a hero.

I've met breeders, admins , many people behind the scenes and they all share this perspective, which is why they profit off of it.

Now, I'm enjoying some Whitefire #3 later that was grown wonderfully in recycled organic soil with the help of a real friend who set me straight.

I'm not trying to hurt anyone, I hope you don't make the same mistakes I did. I used to believe in this shit, I was even a mod. Now, I make sure to put that energy into actually doing things instead of just imagining them. This is the pot calling the kettle black indeed. I was the biggest fool because this used to matter to me.

If you are too IGNORANT to recognize the fact that most members here, who come here to teach others or to learn how to grow, are SELF-MEDICATING to treat medical issues.... The reason most are willing to violate laws to treat themselves is because they haven't found relief from the medical system and it is EXPENSIVE and POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS to purchase medicine from unknown sources.

Whether physical OR mental health issues, they are issues that typically create the introversion that you describe......

SHAME ON YOU for being so damned judgmental of your fellow man....

You live in the same glass house as the rest of us