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PhenoMenal

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sorry, but this is just ridiculous... come on boys, why the **** is this "mine's bigger than yours"??? Neither of you are perfect growers, there's always somebody better :)
 
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the cycle of ignorance,

Prove wierd hes wrong about one thing with implication of secondary scientific techniques his brain shifts towards the latter and begins to spew all over again and the cycle is continued

i really just dont wanna see that face

i dont wanna start saying mean things, but lets break it down for you in a way that might sink into your thick skull, not in a derogotory way, but you have a social disability yes wierd? well maybe you shouldnt be online trying to communicate with people because you are obviously not understanding that we do not want you here and you are of no help to this forum because of your "disconnect" you will always think your right and will never learn your wrong no matter how many people tell you so (wow irony much?) but all i can do provided that maybe this indepth explanation will help you, is let you know you are of no use to this forum and only detract knowledge from waivering minds similar to your iq level. again no offense i was just trying to explain your presence on these forums and it is in no way welcomed, i dont say that in a malicious way, but it's true your words are of no value maybe make yourself useful picking up trash or helping the earth in some other way than trying to improve selection techniques and preservation of unique genetics for the generations to come. Because i do not think you think like this at all...
 

Tom Hill

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Halleluja we now declared HPS light the same as the sun.:woohoo:

Keep on growing :)

What we have declared is that the variance in phenotypes we may see from a single genotype subjected to varying environments, is ultimately under the control of genetics. That environment will wreak havoc upon some genotypes and their ultimate penetrance, while other genotypes will not significantly budge one iota. Therefore it is a hell of a place to pitch your flag in the sand.

Predictable though, just as all other hack-um-attack attempts to derail from that to neophyte attempts in dabbling with psychology 101. Those efforts -all of them- will fail, indeed, school's out on all that crap and then some.
 
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xmobotx

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A) anyone here uses science to set the basis for trait selection.

B) Then tell me how plasticity, the norm of reaction or the basis of trait selection criteria don't matter or how they are irrelevant.

in fact refute this

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/usdeptcommercepub/477/

apparently you havent been listening because A has been the theme of the entire discussion for pages on end

nobody said anything converse to B

and now i m supposed to refute a cut and paste?

you just basically reinforced my point

not intending to single you out or pick on you per se but; 'environment this environment that' ummm; we r talk'n about breeding here and everyone gets your points about environment somewhere around 50 pages ago

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5703567&postcount=1274

making excuses for not selecting based on resistance or thick stems so you can have uber-narcotic weed then going on about how you dont have time for the discussion cuz u have a weekend to enjoy?

what if you had maybe a little less uber-narcotic results w/ resistance and thick stems?

what if you could have your cake and eat it too?

AND enjoy your weekend as well?

cause i do want you to enjoy your weekend :artist:
 

canned abyss1

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Wow 121 pages and still no resolution, all I have gotten out of this thread is that a handful of people think that their way is the only way and if you disagree or question it you are an ignorant pollen chucking hack. I also got that there are a lot of unprofessional professionals in this game, people that don't even have common courtesy or respect for other people or their opinions. I have said it before what does it matter how a person reaches their goal as long as they reach it. If they don't mind taking the scenic route than why should anyone else care. All of the talk that some are doing a disservice to cannabis because they don't adhere to certain ideals is ridiculous, how does one persons technique have any effect on what another breeder does or cannabis as a whole. If the end product is what it is supposed to be then that is all that matters.
 

Infinitesimal

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WTF are you guys talking about... breeding for secondary metabolites?

from what I understand is, that, THCa when decarboxylated = delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol which when passed through the liver, either from what is left in the blood after an initial pass of the brain when smoked or following digestion when taken orally, is METABOLIZED into 11-hydroxy-tetrahydrocannabinol... THC's SECONDARY METABOLITE which is enzymatically converted by your liver not created by the plants... so...

as far as I know you cannot breed for secondary metabolites, LOL
 
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Tom Hill

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Wow 121 pages and still no resolution, all I have gotten out of this thread is that a handful of people think that their way is the only way and if you disagree or question it you are an ignorant pollen chucking hack. I also got that there are a lot of unprofessional professionals in this game, people that don't even have common courtesy or respect for other people or their opinions. I have said it before what does it matter how a person reaches their goal as long as they reach it. If they don't mind taking the scenic route than why should anyone else care. All of the talk that some are doing a disservice to cannabis because they don't adhere to certain ideals is ridiculous, how does one persons technique have any effect on what another breeder does or cannabis as a whole. If the end product is what it is supposed to be then that is all that matters.

Thank you canned that was a very good example of that cheap psychology 101 we touched on, and of course, it failed - mo betta you get used to and comfy/cozy with that scenario. We are NOT discussing one mans methods, we are discussing the known's of the science of plant breeding. Do you have anything to add in that regard?
 

canned abyss1

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Thank you canned that was a very good example of that cheap psychology 101 we touched on, and of course, it failed - mo betta you get used to and comfy/cozy with that scenario. We are NOT discussing one mans methods, we are discussing the known's of the science of plant breeding. Do you have anything to add in that regard?

What could I possibly have been thinking I guess since the omnipotent Tom Hill claims that it failed then it must have failed.
 

Tom Hill

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What could I possibly have been thinking I guess since the omnipotent Tom Hill claims that it failed then it must have failed.

Of course it did, it was as funny as the ever popular "the proof is in the pudding" from some guy that hit the jackpot on accident, while another who knows how to rig the fucking machine, is looking in on it.
 

Infinitesimal

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Wow 121 pages and still no resolution, all I have gotten out of this thread is that a handful of people think that their way is the only way and if you disagree or question it you are an ignorant pollen chucking hack. I also got that there are a lot of unprofessional professionals in this game, people that don't even have common courtesy or respect for other people or their opinions. I have said it before what does it matter how a person reaches their goal as long as they reach it. If they don't mind taking the scenic route than why should anyone else care. All of the talk that some are doing a disservice to cannabis because they don't adhere to certain ideals is ridiculous, how does one persons technique have any effect on what another breeder does or cannabis as a whole. If the end product is what it is supposed to be then that is all that matters.

Thank you canned that was a very good example of that cheap psychology 101 we touched on, and of course, it failed - mo betta you get used to and comfy/cozy with that scenario. We are NOT discussing one mans methods, we are discussing the known's of the science of plant breeding. Do you have anything to add in that regard?

What could I possibly have been thinking I guess since the omnipotent Tom Hill claims that it failed then it must have failed.

I understand what you are saying canned, and that type of attitude has its place, but this is not a place where everyones feelings and opinions need to be coddled and validated... more so it is a place where accurate information needs to be pushed to the forefront and inaccurate information needs to be called for what it is...

so, that someone who may be reading through this thread wishing to learn something and wishing to ask pertinent questions is better able to sift the relevant and the correct from the garbage and misinformation...

don't take it personal... if anyone finds out they are wrong about something that just allows them room to grow... which is a good thing... and should be taken in stride
 

Tom Hill

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If I was exposed or my thoughts turned upside down, I'd probably be grasping at the same type of fucking straws and calling the other guy pathetic. In time though, I would have to embrace the truth, though I might not share that with anybody... and there is your psychology 101.
 

canned abyss1

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Thank you canned that was a very good example of that cheap psychology 101 we touched on, and of course, it failed - mo betta you get used to and comfy/cozy with that scenario. We are NOT discussing one mans methods, we are discussing the known's of the science of plant breeding. Do you have anything to add in that regard?

Also it doesn't appear to be much discussion going on, more like a bunch of rants and tirades and disdain for other ways of thinking. All of the swearing and insults are assanine, would you act that way to the person if you were face to face, I hope not and if you do you must live a nice area because there are places were people will shoot you for looking at them funny let alone talking shit and hurling insults. This internet toughguy douchebag persona sucks.
 

xmobotx

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1 observation is that there is/are a/some individuals who have been unseated or refuted effectively and hop in from time to time just to toss ad hom

and another has been that there are some folks honestly seeking to improve their understanding ~in some of those instances they have opened w/ their version and realized/made a transition to contributing from misinforming

and for some the disagreement hasnt been there it has been a mis-understanding ~some realize and some dont that they are arguing from the same side of the fence
 

Tom Hill

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Also it doesn't appear to be much discussion going on, more like a bunch of rants and tirades and disdain for other ways of thinking. All of the swearing and insults are assanine, would you act that way to the person if you were face to face, I hope not and if you do you must live a nice area because there are places were people will shoot you for looking at them funny let alone talking shit and hurling insults. This internet toughguy douchebag persona sucks.

Oh you'll get over it, I promise ;)
 

KrazyCrystals

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WTF are you guys talking about... breeding for secondary metabolites?

from what I understand is, that, THCa when decarboxylated = delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol which when passed through the liver, either from what is left in the blood after an initial pass of the brain when smoked or following digestion when taken orally, is METABOLIZED into 11-hydroxy-tetrahydrocannabinol... THC's SECONDARY METABOLITE which is enzymatically converted by your liver not created by the plants... so...

as far as I know you cannot breed for secondary metabolites, LOL

:peek:cannabinoids (acid and non-acid forms are both present in flowers), terpen(oids), etc are secondary metabolites produced by the plant :peek:
 

Tom Hill

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Damn Tom your good, you got me again, but what should I have expected from "The Omnipotent One". You got some more insults for me, I know you do, you are on fire today.
:tiphat:

This has become a big boy thread (thank you mods for allowing it to occur), you need to check your hippie-dippy feelings at the door dude, that is the price of admission. I have been accused of all kind of shit here for this and that, but here I am. If you can not handle it, then there's the fucking door, go and swim and frolic in your pool of denial. I will give 10:1 odds on whether or not your input will be missed.
 

KrazyCrystals

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... only a little (relative) non-acid cannabinoids are present in trichome heads, of course it's mostly acids forms of cannabinoids in trichome heads...
 

canned abyss1

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This has become a big boy thread (thank you mods for allowing it to occur), you need to check your hippie-dippy feelings at the door dude, that is the price of admission. I have been accused of all kind of shit here for this and that, but here I am. If you can not handle it, then there's the fucking door, go and swim and frolic in your pool of denial. I will give 10:1 odds on whether or not your input will be missed.

Unfortunately you guys aren't acting like big boys so maybe you should take your own advice. My 9 year old has more respect for other people than you do. My feelings aren't hurt and I can handle any of your childish insults. I will make you a deal I will check my hippy dippy feelings if you check your douche nozzle attitude. What is more likely to get a thread closed acting like a hippy or acting like a douche?
 
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