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Maverick844

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Hi all I'm new to this forum ,but not new to growing
My problem is this is the 2nd time I have tried to pop and start new seeds
Seeds pop ' I transplant the seed to coco I perchcharge the coco a daybefore with cal mag and hygrowzine, then into red solo cups
After about a week this happens see pics.tried the second time with light warrior fox farms into red solo cups and rec fox farm grow big

per gallon ph tap water 5"8. And right under flours 6400k
6tube 45" long 2inches under cups

I'm lostneed help and am running out of seeds
Ghost train haze g13 sour grape kush og #18 and chocloupe kush:
 

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Greenlife1

Greenlife1

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Well...you fried them!

How much calmag are u adding?

The flours you are using T8's?? 45"? you mean 48.

I rinse my coco with a little calmag and rapid start so when cups run off comes out at 5.8 an ppm of 215-220.
 
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stealthy21

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man. yeah i really wouldnt feed them much in that light warrior besides water. in fact i wouldnt sprout seeds in that at all

in coco some calmag like a few ml per gallon and some roots excel for the seedlings, thats about it. florescent lighting to start them. canna coco makes some fine roots, but they say its just the trichoderma. so any cheap coco, rinsed well, with added trichoderma powder should do just as nice and half the price. just my 2.
 
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heatherlonglee

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You may have to go with the miracle grow starter soil or the organic mix something designed for starting small plants or organic if that's your thing. Only for the solo cups, after that transfer into another medium of your choice. The sprouts, seeds really don't need any nutrients until the 2nd set of leaves appear. Try just pure h20, and move the light farther away like 12"-14". Sprouts need to feel the light but don't really need enough light to grow until 2nd set of leaves appear.
 
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Mantra

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Yeah, treat them more gently than this! I'd personally swap to just coco pellets to start in, and just add water. Don't precharge. My bet would be you are running way too hot with the precharging here and the lights. Kick off in a coco pellet, kept moist but not soaking, and when you've got a few sets of leaves then pop the pellet into a cup, burying the stem so the lowest leaf set is just above ground level. Then start with very gentle fertilizing. I don't fertilize seedlings until I see the color start to leave the cotyledons, indicating that the reserves the seedling was born with are running low.

Check your pen / meter is working properly with its PH reading. Don't let the mix get dry. Its easier to underwater coco than to overwater it.
 
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PrimeTimeNugs

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pop the seeds, put them in cups of moist straight coco, loosly planted. I only give them roots excel till the leaves start to yellow, then i feed them H&G coco a b & nitro boost @ 5.8 ph . Gotta keep the coco moist, but don't water it everyday wait till the top is crumbly, but not till the whole cup feels light like styrofoam.
 
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Mantra

Member
Hey PTN.

I swear by roots excel, but have read mixed reports about using it with young seedlings so have always held off until I start gently I trouncing nutes. At what point do you start to use it and at what strength? Thanks!
 
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KidKId

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take what you read with a grain of salt. Only trust advice from people who have grow journals or videos showing they have experience.

If i had to guess, and it's just a guess. It's your coco/soil mix burned the hell out of your plants.

Lots of people say "pre-charge" your coco, but it's not needed. You can go check out people growing massive plants, and many don't do it. When your plant is very young, a little seedling, it has all the nutrients it needs until after the first week. The nutrients and everything it needs for it's first week of life outside of clean water, is all in the seed itself.


Once that week is over, you then start watering with a VERY light nutrient solution. I have seen grows where people do about 1/4 strength of their normal nutrient mix.

You also say you use tap water. Where tap water is going to have chlorine and dissolved mineral in it. You need to check the PPM of your tap water. If you are feeding the plant 200+ PPM tap water + nutrients you are going to burn the living hell out of plant that small. My guess is your tap water is awful.

Here is my reccomendation. Once again, take it with a grain of salt.

Use H3AD's formula. Go buy FLORA micro/Bloom and Epsome salt.
Get new coco and dump all the charged shit you used tap water and calmag in away.
Get new Perlite.
Get RO water
Make your new coco mix and use plain RO water this time.
Germinate your seed
Keep the solo cups moist with pure RO water. No nutrients.
After about a week, begin feeding 1/4 strength nutrients (so about 1.5/2.2 per gallon and 1/4 tsp of Epsome).
As the plant grows increase the strength until you are at full strength.
Make sure room temp is between 75-85 (a low of 70 at night isn't awful, never lower)
Don't go back to tap water unless you can test it


Go check out grow videos or journals and see exactly what others are doing. From their temps down to water readings. I have seen the above steps followed on various journals and videos and it always works.
 
Reg Dixon

Reg Dixon

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KidKId said:
take what you read with a grain of salt. Only trust advice from people who have grow journals or videos showing they have experience.

If i had to guess, and it's just a guess. It's your coco/soil mix burned the hell out of your plants.

Lots of people say "pre-charge" your coco, but it's not needed. You can go check out people growing massive plants, and many don't do it. When your plant is very young, a little seedling, it has all the nutrients it needs until after the first week. The nutrients and everything it needs for it's first week of life outside of clean water, is all in the seed itself.


Once that week is over, you then start watering with a VERY light nutrient solution. I have seen grows where people do about 1/4 strength of their normal nutrient mix.

You also say you use tap water. Where tap water is going to have chlorine and dissolved mineral in it. You need to check the PPM of your tap water. If you are feeding the plant 200+ PPM tap water + nutrients you are going to burn the living hell out of plant that small. My guess is your tap water is awful.

Here is my reccomendation. Once again, take it with a grain of salt.

Use H3AD's formula. Go buy FLORA micro/Bloom and Epsome salt.
Get new coco and dump all the charged shit you used tap water and calmag in away.
Get new Perlite.
Get RO water
Make your new coco mix and use plain RO water this time.
Germinate your seed
Keep the solo cups moist with pure RO water. No nutrients.
After about a week, begin feeding 1/4 strength nutrients (so about 1.5/2.2 per gallon and 1/4 tsp of Epsome).
As the plant grows increase the strength until you are at full strength.
Make sure room temp is between 75-85 (a low of 70 at night isn't awful, never lower)
Don't go back to tap water unless you can test it


Go check out grow videos or journals and see exactly what others are doing. From their temps down to water readings. I have seen the above steps followed on various journals and videos and it always works.
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Nice post.

Just as a follow up question what kind of ph should you be giving to seedlings in their 1st week and does that change as the plant matures?
I heard it was best to start off with ph 7 on the seedlings in their 1st week then lower ph from there. However perhaps I heard wrong.
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KidKId

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If you are using straight coco, most people do 5.8-5.9

Different nutrients lock out at different stages. There is a chart out there somewhere that shows what they are. PH of 7 in straight coco is too much.
 
dansbuds

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Plus seedlings are sensitive to moisture .to wet to soon will rot them before they can get going to build roots . i found it better to start seedlings in rapid rooters or coco plugs than a cup of coco . & use a capilary mat to feed the plugs from the bottom instead of top feeding a cup . its hard to get a good even moisture top feeding cups of coco & seedlings .
And seedlings need NO feed untill they have a couple good sets of leaves & a healthy root system .
 
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PrimeTimeNugs

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I pop seeds in towels, after the tails,

they go into pretty wet cups of coco watered with 1/2 strength H&G coco ab with Roots Excel @ little less than 1ml gal

I dont water the cups till they feel light, sometimes up to 7-10 days, I pop the coco out of the solo cup to check the roots every few days.

ill either water from the top or dunk the bottom of the cup in my watering can.

no doubt you can over water a seed in a full cup of coco, practice makes perfect
 
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Maverick844

Member
Seedling still not looking goog

Seedling still not looking goog

Hi all
Thanks for the help
Ok so I switched to hempy style half chunky perilite half coco and fine perilite still looks like a def here I added more calmag 10 mil all the rest 5 mil of canna coco parts a and b
5mil liquid karma and 5. Mil hygroezme here's the pics after I moved out side some r hempy and a few r in root pots
I'm still stumped ph is between 5.5to 6.0[/ATTACH][/ATTACH]
 
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