OT X IBG & TSI FLY... OH YEAH!

[the gnome]

MOSCA OT x IBG/TSI FLY @30 days 12/12

MOSCA OT x IBG/TSI FLY @30 days 12/12

ok.. things are starting to heat up in the garden.
today they got slammed with their 2nd taste of Kool Bloom @ 1tsp per gal.
1 more slam w/KB in another 6 days.
we'll hopefully start to see the swelling take off now that were over the hump.

a group shot under the lamps to start off with

the Tse Fly are definitely taking an aggressive lead in the bud size dept.
plus, take into account the Tse Fly are a week behind the IBG's

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this is the Tse Fly runt,
this leggy lady has has to sit on a box to get up closer to the other T flies.
her bud structure is also a tad different from the others too.
more stem but soon to be golf ball size nugs sit tight on top of the main stem

 

[the gnome]

ok, now the IBGs, Tse Fly may have the lead in buds size but the IBgs definite take top honors in bud sites!

this gal got a tad too tall and i had to crimp the top over.
these next 2 sat leaners are bushy babes and sport a ton
of buds on them!

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this indie IBG had to get the broken neck treatment too
but like the sattie IBGs she is rife with running buds up the side branches

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another IBG indie lass, the smallest of the bunch me thinks?

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[the gnome]

a few of the Tse Fly top buds shots

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and a bushy IBG sat leaner.
a literal morass of frsoty buds sites

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a parting shot of the harem sunning themselves

 

[Sir_Syzurp]

Im loving it gnome!!! Are those water droplets from misting on the fan leaves or is that some sort of powder?

 

[moses wellfleet]

Fantastic Gnome. Do you always flower under MH?

 

[the gnome]

Im loving it gnome!!! Are those water droplets from misting on the fan leaves or is that some sort of powder?

i had a brush with broad mites,
you can see in the 3rd of the last pic of the tse fly the top shot
the lack of pistils from the broad mite damage.
i did the heat treatment, 120F for a few hours and sprayed them down with water when it was over.

it made far an interesting looking pic...

Fantastic Gnome. Do you always flower under MH?

i started mixing the bulbs last spring trying to enhance resin production with the MH bulb.
what i noticed is some of the MH plants beat the HPS side out by a huge margin with the same clones pheno's.
on in particular did great under HPS, th same plant split between the two bulbs gave me an astounding 60% mor weight on the MH side, buds were bigger and denser also.
its a long story, but in this gro i did a split MH/HPS side again,
on the HPS side mostly IBG with a few Tse fly,
on the Mh side mostly tse fly with a few IBGs.

tse fly on the Mh side were way bigger than the tse fly on the hps side.
(even being a week in age behind the ibg's)
that may be just strain related tho.

I started HPS using a super horti eye with the IBGs
the IBGs on the Mh side were a tad bigger in bud size than the IBG on the HPS side but fuller with minimal stretch, but when i went to the horti eye 2 of the IBGs stretched 7-9", I had to crimp the tops.
so i am back to MH on both sides now.
being this gro is from seed so its far away from being conclusive.
the real test is using cloned pheno's and seeing what results come from that.
but, the MH on the tse fly side is a $21 sylvania BT56 4000K bulb
and the tse flies are looking very good despite the broad mites slowing them down.

what Ive found out, is its strain-pheono dependent that some do better in Mh over HPS, i don't want to get too deep into this here as its very controversial,
i started the hps vs Mh in the side x side forums and some have gotten quite belligerent over Mh being used in bloom.
what ive actually seen is HPS isn't always the better bulb.
I am only trying to find out which keeper i get does better under what bulb.
all things being equal, i would rather use Mh, less stretch
no stressing the plants with color change and the fact the bulb costs $21 is a very good plus also.

here's a pic of the same bulb the tse fly are under in vapedg13's grows using the $21 MH bulb in 1-1/2 gal containers

 

[Sir_Syzurp]

Im lovin the room set up, plants look like they will pack on some good weight by the time they are done... Are those 5g buckets or 3.5g buckets?

 

[moses wellfleet]

You got my attention Gnome, sounds like a fascinating topic... Do you have a 4k ballast to run those lamps, can't imagine what that looks like?. Can you post a link to your side by side experiment?

 

[Sir_Syzurp]

Moses, its his thread MH vs HPS in bloom... I followed it back when I was lurking before I really started posting again. Was a great thread, definitely should read it.

 

[the gnome]

here's a pic of the same bulb the tse fly are under in vapedg13's grows using the $21 MH bulb in 1-1/2 gal containers

thats a pic of vapedg13's gro,
he is in 1-1/2 gallon pots.. 5litres
he gets 5oz per plants
50 plants per gro,
its a 6000w gro using the $21 sylvania bt56 bulbs.....
nice ain't it

yes siz, that is my thread I started.
the best info is in the 1st 15 pages imo
after that, crap starts to invade the discussion and it starts to degenerate.
then the yahoo's invade and it turns into HPS is the only bulb to use in bloom.
which i and many others know isn't true.
its depends on the genetics of the strain being grown that decides if HPS or MH is best suited to it,
that's the point me and others expressed

***read what dr shio says*** about Mh and HPS in the 1st 2-4 pages of the thread. that hit home with me.

pics say it all, and looking at vapes gro and what i saw with my own MH grows made me seriously rethink the use of HPS in bloom, it does grow big fats colas with many strains.... as does MH.

i am currently running differing strains in MH and HPS to determine which ones perform best under what light.
i would much rather use strains that kill it under MH for obvious reasons.
less stretch if any.
no *possible maybe?* of stressing the plant due to differing lighting situations.
lol.... at $21 a bulb i can change out all 6 bulbs in my soon to be 6000w bloom room every 60 days and only spend $25 more than one single 1000w super horti eye i use now
+Mhs run cooler than HPS

its worth pursuing imo
OK... off topic
sorry for hijacking my own thread guys

edited....
i forgot to add, if your going to go Mh in bloom be patient looking for a strain that performs better under it.
I'm seeing many more strains preferring HPS.
so if your income is tied to your grow i would run both Mh and hps, personally think using both spectrums together is a good choice for bloom.
my theory is this on why more strains prefer hps.
MH bulb quaility many years ago for growing sucked when the indoor gro scene started gaining speed
and hps performed better.
things have changed a lot in Mh technology since then.

all our strains today have been bred for many years using hps in bloom and are acclimated to it.
its the norm right? so why is Mh out doing HPS by a noticable margin with some strains.
its all in the genetics.
the sun is obviously more like MH than HPS and that will never be bred out of the genetic make up of plants grown for thousand... hundreds of thousands of years or more.
not any time soon anyways.
I wonder how far removed the hps strains are if we kept using Mh in our gro's today?

of course this is all speculation on my part but facinating to ponder these Qs... eh?

 

[moses wellfleet]

Gnome I am looking forward to seeing how this one goes under MH, I am going through thread, great work!

 

[the gnome]

day 4 week 7

day 4 week 7

alrighty! 39 days down and the buds are really stating to impress me.
the tse fly may just take top honors, they are looking bigger in size and they are really 1 week behind the otibg's(in veg)
but ibg's aren't slouching in the least bit.
some of them remind me of the monster plants I grew outdoors under full sun all day long.
the broad mites did put a hurting on them tho.
many are somewhat stunted with out pistils now but look like they're pulling out of it now.
that also puts a hold on development.
both strains are offering a nice selection of pheno's
each one with something to offer.

otibg,
i see two distinct types
1 is spread out and massively bushy and full with smaller buds but tons of them that run the legnth of the branches
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another 15-20 days may change that situation, fingers crossed the buds swell up alot..
this pheno is a great candidate for barebulb tree growing set ups
the buds at this stage may be smaller but the amount of frost is above average imo.

the other one is the more indi leaner.
leafier, bigger buds on them and a more compact plant structure.
buds are sticky sticky
the tse fly are a treat.
getting very sticky and the buds look good!!,
i get 2 distinct aromas from them, one like fruity pineapples and the other more sour funk,
1 in particular is the shortest of the 4 but has those golfball buds that hang in pairs in the top 1/3 of the plant.

what i know for sure is this...
its going to be a 1st class pain in the ass deciding who stays and who doesn't with both strains.

I almost wish i would of only started 3 from each strain haha!
pics incoming tonite

the next 3 pics are tsi fly
1st pic is the shorty 'golf ball pheno'

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[the gnome]

some otibg

this is one of the bush master pheno's,
the spread is 3 ft side to side

nugz may be smaller than the TF but they are frosting up nicely

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and another otig.. one the indie leaners

 

[the gnome]

last pic is the *harem* group shot

 

[moses wellfleet]

Hey Gnome lookin good so far, what smells you gettin?

 

[the gnome]

Hey Gnome lookin good so far, what smells you gettin?

smells are really starting to fire up
the IBGs have all been on the sweet side
but in the last 5 days they have intensified !
i see where the bubbagum banner comes in with this strain
I hope it carries over into the taste,
its very sugary sweet now with hints of sours in mix.

the tse fly have been sorta on the sweet side but now the chem is really pulling through the mix with a sour dank funk taking over.
every now and then I get a whiff of dog poops somewhere in the mix

i took samples of popcorn buds at 36 days,
tried the ot-ibg yesterday
my GF said the taste was so so, to be expected so young tho.
but it was pretty fast hitting and she said it was an 8-8.5.

my tester will run through all of them in the next few daze.
this guy is amazing, he can test out 2-3 separate strains in a day and he is dead on the money every time.
he's a fooking bloodhound lol

as for the resin,
the 2 ibg sat leaners are really taking the lead, smaller budz but intense resin production is taking place.
now that they're in the home stretch its getting very exciting

 

[Treetroit City]

Looking good Gnome, got some big girls going there.

Subbed up.

 

[moses wellfleet]

The tester sounds like an interesting guy... Bet he loves seeing you at the gate!

 

[siftedunity]

beautiful grow man thanks for the documentation.

 

[Sir_Syzurp]

First off...

Gnome my man, those Fly flowers are just amazing, I did not expect the results you are getting from that strain. For some reason I am not a huge fan of c99, just haven't been able to get a version of her that appeals to me yet, but I like her breeding abilities, I also haven't heard much about c4, so the Fly left me weary, but the results you are getting are changing my mind.

Those IBG sure are looking spectacular... and I also want to thank you for taking those requested photos for me.

I hope you have them clones running strong... they almost all look like keepers lol, the smoke will have to tell!!!

Keep up the fantastic show man.