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4th graders asked to give up Constitutional rights

Stoner4Life

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http://news.yahoo.com/dad-furious-finding-crayon-written-paper-florida-4th-124614291.html

The words are written in crayon, in the haphazard bumpiness of a child's scrawl.

"I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure."

They're the words that Florida father Aaron Harvey was stunned to find his fourth-grade son had written, after a lesson in school about the Constitution.
Florida 4th Grader Brings Home Paper That Says, I Am Willing to Give Up Some of My Constitutional Rights in Order to Be Safer...paper

Aaron Harvey's son wrote as part of a school lesson, "I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure." TheBlaze has redacted the child's name.

Harvey's son attends Cedar Hills Elementary in Jacksonville, Fla. Back in January, a local attorney came in to teach the students about the Bill of Rights. But after the attorney left, fourth-grade teacher Cheryl Sabb dictated the sentence to part of the class and had them copy it down, he said.

The paper sat unnoticed in Harvey's son's backpack for several months until last week, when his son's mother almost threw it away. The words caught her eye in the trash, and she showed it to Harvey, who said he was at a loss for words. He asked his son, who said Sabb had spoken the sentence out loud and told them to write it down. Harvey said he asked some of his son's classmates and got a similar answer.

"Everybody has their opinions," Harvey told TheBlaze. "I am strongly for proper education, for the freedom of thought so you can form your own opinion and have your own free speech in the future... [but] the education is, 'when was the Constitution drafted, when was it ratified, why did this happen, why did we choose to do this...all these things, why did they particular choose those specific rights to be in our Bill of Rights.'"

Kandra Albury, a spokeswoman for Duvall County Public Schools, which includes Cedar Hills, told TheBlaze she didn't know what prompted Sabb to have students write the sentence.

She said the principal had fielded one parent's concern about the lesson in January, but it wasn't Harvey. She said Thursday the district and principal were "checking into" what had happened.

Harvey, rather than asking the school for answers when he found the paper, wrote his concerns in an email, which was then forwarded to TheBlaze. He said he did it that way because he wasn't sure he would have gotten a straightforward answer if he asked the school directly.

He said he just wants to see a "proper, unbiased education" system and doesn't want any kind of religion or politics brought into the classroom.

"I believe in our Constitution. I am a veteran, I served for six-and-a-half years proudly and I served to protect our rights," he said. "Now whenever I have someone coming in and trying to pollute my child's mind with biased opinions...there's no education in that."

Editor's note: TheBlaze has withheld the name of the child ad the father's request.


your tax dollars hard at work
 
We're already on a slow burn and the indoctrination and propaganda is only going to get worse, the sad part is, not much you can do about it, we've already let it go to far.
 

Yes4Prop215

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sickening..but not surprised, look at the way so many of our elected officials trample on the 2nd amendment...
 

Stoner4Life

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it's a real shame to see the system softening up those kids in preparation for times to come, brainwashing.

 

shithawk420

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which brings up my user name.in the words jim lahey,im watching you like a shithawk.swooping down shiting on people,and bringing them off to the big shit nest.if anyone gets it.i know poopy does lol.
 

wildgrow

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I saw this story. Fuckin sickening!

They'll take everything away eventually. Wait until we're about to implode and then give us back meaningless, trivialities. And we'll all be saying, "Oh thank you. Thank you, big brother. What would we do without you?"
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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it's a real shame to see the system softening up those kids in preparation for times to come, brainwashing.


I'm surprised at you S4L...this is a bad situation, no doubt about it, that teacher should be fired....but it's only one teacher. And you are convicting or blaming the entire system. That reasoning just don't fly.
 

shithawk420

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theres alot teacheres trying to teach there agenda.this one just got cuaght.they barely noticed when the threw there kids homework away whith this one i think.
 

Stoner4Life

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I'm surprised at you S4L...this is a bad situation, no doubt about it, that teacher should be fired....but it's only one teacher. And you are convicting or blaming the entire system. That reasoning just don't fly.

I don't see it like that Dannyboy, I see it like this.

that teacher should lose her job, but most likely won't. I doubt that she's alone in her political opinion either, others in the system might think just like Sabb but were not quite so dumb as to be caught sending kids home with the shit above. the teachers union is strong, almost as tough as getting a cop fired is a teacher losing their job.

if you read the article it states that another parent voiced their concern for the same issue back in January when it happened, did they fire that teacher then? No, she still has her job although they're "checking into" the situation again, lucky us!

so yeah you're up against the system, in this case only a single teacher in a single school.

now, if you read that simple statement as my convicting the ENTIRE school system & teachers coast to coast then you might need to reconsider your ability to read between the lines.
 

HOPS5K

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Give Up My Rights To Be Safe...Seems Legit
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GP73LPC

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”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” - Benjamin Franklin
 

mean mr.mustard

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Preparing their tender hearts and minds for the future.

Nobody found the "I am willing to snitch my father out for the greater good" paper yet?
 

Hydro-Soil

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Have any of you seen the video going around the schools (can't remember the name of it) where it tells the kids... "The govt's job is to take care of you".

Anyone else notice the entitlement generation that's coming up? Kids have been rewarded for just showing up to school for over a decade now. Most of the kids I've seen 'working' these days are expecting to get paid for just showing up.

The school system is a horrible joke. I've run in to a large number of ex and current long-time teachers that are just disgusted with it. They talk about home schooling their own kids and how they used to be allowed to actually 'teach' the kids 20 years ago.

Find and read "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America". It's a free pdf online.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 

Crusader Rabbit

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"I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure."


All we know is that the child was asked to write this down as part of a lesson and did so. We do not know the context. It is very likely that the students were being asked to respond to this statement with their own opinions as to whether it is a valid view point. If this were the case and the kid had completed the assignment, then underneath the written statement (or on a paper turned in separately) would have been the child's views on whether or not we should be willing to give up our rights for an imagined security.

From the fact that the teacher started the lesson with an actual attorney giving a talk on constitutional rights, it is likely that the teacher expected students to respond by explaining that their rights are sacrosanct and the source of our safety, and should never be taken lightly. Don't you imagine that this lawyer quoted Benjamin Franklin on this issue in his presentation to the class? That is what this controversial sentence refers too.

In other words, from the information given we really don't know what went down in that classroom. It could have been good or bad.
 

Hydro-Soil

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In other words, from the information given we really don't know what went down in that classroom. It could have been good or bad.

I can tell you don't work with kids much... it's ok.

From the corrections on the paper, the kid had help. Regardless of what the conversation was, the phrase is now in the kids head. No positive/negative connotations. The very phrase itself is destructive to a kid's logic on the subject.

Definitely not good.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 

Agaricus

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I agree with hydro-soil. A kid that age isn't able to discriminate, has no context except what they're taught. If parents aren't aware of this stuff going on they can't counteract it and teach the kids not to believe everything they hear in school, that these people may be telling them bad things and that they should bring home everything so Mommy or Daddy can tell them what's true and what's not, what's good and what's bad.
 
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