Canna Caps - To extract or not to extract

[mokuro]

Hello,

Since its a mix between cook / concentrades, i posted on this subforum, if any moderator think's its better to stay on cooking please move the topic there, thx! :]

So,
Wonder what methods are the best:

-QWET the cannabis and put the canna-alcohol w/ the oil and wait the alchool evaporate
or
-cook the cannabis in the oil for many hours.

Seems that on badkit's posts, he make both ways, but wonder wich one will make Better results and why? or what are the differences between them in the High?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Making QWET will allow you to easily change the ratio of cannabis to oil.

Gently boil the alcohol off and you'll be able to suck it up into a syringe (rick simpson style). You can weigh the oil out on a digi scale and tinfoil. Find out how much 1cc weighs and you can easily do the math from there.

I use the smallest amount of olive oil I can and add the oil/hash/kief or whatever concentrate I have to it. Just enough oil in the container to keep all the concentrate evenly hot in the oil-bath at 250F.

Once the main bubbles stop or slow significantly... I add oat flour to dilute it and stuff it into capsules.

.1g (100milligrams) pills are what I usually make. Devastating to a newb... just right for me to get medicated without toking. That's 10 pills from a gram. My psych meds are about .05g, of cannabis oil each, and I take them 3 times a day when I have them.

The addition of the oat flour makes sure they're neutral for everyone except those that have issues with oat. It also makes them shelf-stable... you can take them with you, without having to refrigerate them.

Stay Safe!

 

[TheArchitect]

What about rice flour instead of oat?

 

[mokuro]

Hydro, sry I dont get exactly what you do, my english is terrible poor.

If i get it right, you make the QWET, add the oil

and then you do what? you heat that on 250F, or you heat another oil to 250F and put this recipe in a double-bath ?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hello,

Since its a mix between cook / concentrades, i posted on this subforum, if any moderator think's its better to stay on cooking please move the topic there, thx! :]

So,
Wonder what methods are the best:

-QWET the cannabis and put the canna-alcohol w/ the oil and wait the alchool evaporate
or
-cook the cannabis in the oil for many hours.

Seems that on badkit's posts, he make both ways, but wonder wich one will make Better results and why? or what are the differences between them in the High?

I would suggest a QWET. Cooking for many hours in alcohol, will extract a boatload of chlorophyll and water solubles.

If you are taking it orally, I would decarboxylate it at 250F, and mix it with some coconut oil and a filler.

We mix about 10 grams of Absolute with 3 grams of coconut oil and 22 grams of corn starch, to make a silly putty for stuffing.

We use 100 Mg for a standard dose and as it is a 28.57% mixture, a 100 mg active dose would be about 350 mg.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

What about rice flour instead of oat?

No rice flour.

Rice flour has to be cooked before eating. Oat can be eaten raw by anyone except those who can't eat oat. (which is almost everyone on the planet) No cooking needed.

Stay Safe!

 

[mokuro]

Is there any difference in decarbonization if I decarb the QWET product, or it HAVE to be before extraction?

 

[Kushed_]

The most accurate method would be to make QWET then decarb at 252F and watch the formation of CO2 bubbles. When the CO2 stops forming, it is decarbed. I have a lot of older material that is partially decarbed and does not take 27 min.

 

[mokuro]

The most accurate method would be to make QWET then decarb at 252F and watch the formation of CO2 bubbles. When the CO2 stops forming, it is decarbed. I have a lot of older material that is partially decarbed and does not take 27 min.

Got it!
I'll do this way, i used to decarb the grinded weed, this time i'll first extract and then decarb.

btw, this is right after the quick wash, (before alcohol evaporate) right?

 

[Kushed_]

Got it!
I'll do this way, i used to decarb the grinded weed, this time i'll first extract and then decarb.

btw, this is right after the quick wash, (before alcohol evaporate) right?

I usually do a thin film purge at 140F until the alcohol has purged, and then turn it up to 250F until decarbed. You will need to heat your container in cooking oil to reach the decarb temp. I don't usually decarb this type of extraction because I am going to vaporize or bake with it. You could probably just get it up to 250F. This will evaporate the alcohol (the large bubbles) and the decarb (small bubbles). I'll see if I can find some pictures if you are interested.

 

[mokuro]

I usually do a thin film purge at 140F until the alcohol has purged, and then turn it up to 250F until decarbed. You will need to heat your container in cooking oil to reach the decarb temp. I don't usually decarb this type of extraction because I am going to vaporize or bake with it. You could probably just get it up to 250F. This will evaporate the alcohol (the large bubbles) and the decarb (small bubbles). I'll see if I can find some pictures if you are interested.

Ofc I'm interested, thx for the big help!

Btw, I always read that we need to Seal the grinded marijuana to decarb, and always wait it cool before opening,

"In every step of the way, in order to prevent the loss of potency via vapor escape, you MUST wait for your sealed container to fully cool, prior to opening."

Isn't your method lost potency maybe? because I cannot Seal the qwet + alchool mix, it must be open so the alchool can evaporate

 

[mokuro]

Or maybe I can evaporate the alchool at 160-170F and THEN heat up to 250F to decarb? if the problem is vapor?
(remembering that the oil is already on qwet mix)

 

[Kushed_]

Ofc I'm interested, thx for the big help!

Btw, I always read that we need to Seal the grinded marijuana to decarb, and always wait it cool before opening,

"In every step of the way, in order to prevent the loss of potency via vapor escape, you MUST wait for your sealed container to fully cool, prior to opening."

Isn't your method lost potency maybe? because I cannot Seal the qwet + alchool mix, it must be open so the alchool can evaporate

I have tried what you are talking about, sealing the container. I don't remember seeing anything significant on the foil that had condensed.
If it is hot enough to boil-off anything it is gone, weather or not it is covered. What are you concerned about losing? You are not going to lose any THC, CBD, CBN, CBC, and many more. There is a pretty good list at skunkpharm.com look under Cannabinoid and Terpene info.

 

[Gray Wolf]

At decarb temperatures, the lighter mono and sesquiterpenes are lost, not the heaver diterpene cannabinoids.

 

[mokuro]

Huummm,, this is a good news, learning more every day :]

Did my qwet yesterday, it's already on coconut oil, and it's very dark, i think this time will be a success, today i'm going decarb and try out

 

[mokuro]

Qwet extraction for 1min, then made a second wash, the product i mixed on coconut oil and put on the eletric oven at 150-160F to evaporate the alcohol.
Then froze for some hours and decarbed it at 220F for 60min.

I'm thinking on heat it for more time, maybe it was not properly decarbed, what do you guys think?

The caps ended a bit weak

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I prefer to be able to see the decarb process visually... that way you're absolutely sure of what's gone on/wrong.

Cuisinart fondu pot, half gallon of veggie oil, stainless steel cup, 3 jelly jar lids.

Drop the lids in the bottom, rim down and put your stainless steel cup in and fill until oil is above level in cup that your canna-oil is going to be at.

Use a good thermometer and find the setting on the dial that's 240-250F. Put your canna-oil in the stainless cup and put in the pot when it's at temperature... it'll heat up to decarb temp fairly quickly (depending on volume) and you'll see the bubbles start forming.

Works awesome! (thanks Gray Wolf)

Stay Safe!

 

[mokuro]

I ended up extra-heating my cannaoil for more 45min at 220F, and then I discovered that it was already over-decarbed and i messed up w/ it, took 1 caps (n. 00) and felt nothing, before this extra heat it was a bit strong, not much but was something.
(i think this is because was a Brick weed, god know how long ago it was harvested before got into my hands, so i think it was already decarbed by time)

Hydro, About your method from gray wolf

-what are the Lids for and why 3?
-How to know when it's decarbed? i dont get the Bubbles part

 

[mokuro]

Kushed_

you still up for those pictures of decarbing bubbles? =]!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Really should take a look through Gray Wolf's threads... all covered in there.

The lids keep your stainless steel container (espresso cream pitcher) off the bottom of the pot. 3 jam jar lids fit rather well in the bottom of a cuisinart fondu pot.

You can tell the oil is decarbing because of the CO2 bubbles that form during the process. When the major bubbling has ceased... the process is nearly finished, pull the container out of the oil bath, wipe it off and add the flour.

Planning on making a video at some point, we'll see how that goes first.

Stay Safe!