v2 'dream system' DIY and diary

[GMax]

yeah I see what you mean.. that is a great idea.. I don't like the screen blocking light either...

the only thing, I may have to do some tinkering to keep the screen up near the top of the wye part, because if it slid all the way down to the 'joint' of the wye, it would be too far away..(even though that would be soo easy) it would have to stay near the front and if it was cut slightly smaller than the 3'' hole it would obstruct the insertion of netcups

zipties are an option but it would probably need some configuration to do what I talking about... maybe one long thin bamboo stick secured vertically to the sides of the each wye pipe near the front, so I have something to ziptie the screen to.. I know it seems like I have a little excuse for all the advice given here lately, but you would understand what I mean if you were standing in front of it

there is some pros and cons to this new screen but I do like it better than my old one... I can already tell it gonna be a pain harvesting the way it is now though

and also the people who have the screens behind the plants.... do they tuck the branches behind the screen and let it make it way back though and retuck (weave)... or do they tie it to the screen as needed with ties ..? I cannot tell sometime in pics and some people using too tiny of screen holes to possibly be weaving

 

[DHF]

I fuckin forget who it is , but they use pipe cleaners to just tie em back and hook em to the netting behind.......and no.....

No reason to weave shit behind and back through the screen/netting Bro......anyways....

Not tryin ta tell yas what to do , but rather find a solution to the pollution....lol......

Good luck and best wishes for healthy , heavy harveys.....

Peace.....Freds............

 

[bobblehead]

Marlo... He uses the orange fence and pipe cleaners to pull his plants back toward the wall... I would go as far as to say most of us use horti-trellis.

 

[GMax]

I fuckin forget who it is , but they use pipe cleaners to just tie em back and hook em to the netting behind.......and no.....

No reason to weave shit behind and back through the screen/netting Bro......anyways....

Not tryin ta tell yas what to do , but rather find a solution to the pollution....lol......

Good luck and best wishes for healthy , heavy harveys.....

Peace.....Freds............

Marlo... He uses the orange fence and pipe cleaners to pull his plants back toward the wall... I would go as far as to say most of us use horti-trellis.

no worries bro.. you definitely got my gears turning, now I just need to figure out how to apply it ...

thanks fellas

 

[silver hawaiian]

 

[DHF]

Marlo... He uses the orange fence and pipe cleaners to pull his plants back toward the wall... I would go as far as to say most of us use horti-trellis.

I suggested the "Horti-Trellis" I hung from all my rack rooms long ago , but was tryin to attack the symptoms instead of the disease since he`s already got the netting....anyways....regardless....

Where the FUCK can yas come on any public weedsite and get more constructive participation from as MANY knowledgeable and experienced vertical bare bulb AND horizontal specialists than down here in Vert-ville......

Ya`ll are fuckin awesome without all my added bullshit....so......I`ll be on my bucket more and defer to the folks that`ve learned and implemented said gameplans.......I`m just bored......Try ta overlook my old ass......Just tryin ta help.....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Yo Gmax not trying to jack your thread, but I used to train in a similar way and I figured out a solid way to use "screen", but not let it block light.

The trick is to train your plants through the screen and then trim everything behind it.

When I see your screens I think a few things...

Because the holes/squares/diamonds are so small they cover a lot of surface area. This means they block a lot of light.

The bigger the holes the less light your screen will block.

Also, smaller holes give you less freedom to work with your plants. I know that type of screen stretches, but the harder it is to work/trim/prune the gals the lazier growers are. Trust me because I have been there...

The screen mesh is also relatively wide/thick. I don't know how to describe it exactly, but basically this contributes to blocking light. Trellis netting or simple fencing from home depot is CHEAP and is 1/16" thick. The skinnier the netting, the less light it blocks.

Just to see how much light is being blocked you could measure how wide the screen is and how long at each diamond. Figure out the total amount of screen used (in square inches or something) per diamond and how big each diamond is. Then if you know how many square feet of screen you use you could figure out how many square inches/feet of light your screen blocks.

I bet the number would surprise you. I bet that screen is blocking maybe a couple of square feet of light total in your entire setup...

I used to use cheap farm fencing from home depot.

I would train the plants through the screens and then defoliate/prune everything that was more than 2" behind the screen. That way all main nugs were supported and getting max light.

Also after a while I even ended up cutting out half of the metal wire in the screen just because even those holes were too small.

Anyway man LOVE your setup. Yours is definitely a thread I have looked to for ideas and you obviously know what you are doing. Just my 2 cents...

 

[DHF]

Yo Gmax not trying to jack your thread, but I used to train in a similar way and I figured out a solid way to use "screen", but not let it block light.

The trick is to train your plants through the screen and then trim everything behind it.

When I see your screens I think a few things...

Because the holes/squares/diamonds are so small they cover a lot of surface area. This means they block a lot of light.

The bigger the holes the less light your screen will block.

Also, smaller holes give you less freedom to work with your plants. I know that type of screen stretches, but the harder it is to work/trim/prune the gals the lazier growers are. Trust me because I have been there...

The screen mesh is also relatively wide/thick. I don't know how to describe it exactly, but basically this contributes to blocking light. Trellis netting or simple fencing from home depot is CHEAP and is 1/16" thick. The skinnier the netting, the less light it blocks.

Just to see how much light is being blocked you could measure how wide the screen is and how long at each diamond. Figure out the total amount of screen used (in square inches or something) per diamond and how big each diamond is. Then if you know how many square feet of screen you use you could figure out how many square inches/feet of light your screen blocks.

I bet the number would surprise you. I bet that screen is blocking maybe a couple of square feet of light total in your entire setup...

I used to use cheap farm fencing from home depot.

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I would train the plants through the screens and then defoliate/prune everything that was more than 2" behind the screen. That way all main nugs were supported and getting max light.

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Also after a while I even ended up cutting out half of the metal wire in the screen just because even those holes were too small.

Anyway man LOVE your setup. Yours is definitely a thread I have looked to for ideas and you obviously know what you are doing. Just my 2 cents...

You know what I love......the lineup marks on yer pvc pipe and elbow fitting in da pics.......

Shows experience....anyways.....I hung horti-trellis from the ceilings and rested the end colas across and through it by end of stretch to prevent limb/mainstem snappage and premature suicide.......anyways.....

Ya`ll handle this.....

'Peace.....DHF..........

 

[GMax]

I suggested the "Horti-Trellis" I hung from all my rack rooms long ago , but was tryin to attack the symptoms instead of the disease since he`s already got the netting....anyways....regardless....

Where the FUCK can yas come on any public weedsite and get more constructive participation from as MANY knowledgeable and experienced vertical bare bulb AND horizontal specialists than down here in Vert-ville......

Ya`ll are fuckin awesome without all my added bullshit....so......I`ll be on my bucket more and defer to the folks that`ve learned and implemented said gameplans.......I`m just bored......Try ta overlook my old ass......Just tryin ta help.....

Peace....DHF..........

the netting I am using was only 20 bucks or so...so it no big deal to toss and start over and recycle the orange screen for the drying box (which I still haven't built)

never be afraid to chime in..that goes for anyone



BST ... that is actually how I am doing it currently.. training the plants through the screen and chopping everything behind it.. however I didn't stay up on the branch removal that well this time around.. the first round with the string screen I did more of a weave training

when I was looking for a new screen that was the best I could find and I was disappointed at how much light it would block, i know .... everything else was either too heavy of material, because it has to be able to attach to the system so it moves with it when it rolls, or holes to big/small or blocked even more light.. or more money than I wanted to spend in case it didn't work... and this screen doesn't stretch it is made with rigid plastic


honestly I may just ditch the orange screen all together....thanks for the kind words bro

 

[BldSwtTrs]

You know what I love......the lineup marks on yer pvc pipe and elbow fitting in da pics.......

Shows experience....anyways.....I hung horti-trellis from the ceilings and rested the end colas across and through it by end of stretch to prevent limb/mainstem snappage and premature suicide.......anyways.....

Ya`ll handle this.....

'Peace.....DHF..........

Haha you know what I love? YOU noticing that shit. THAT shows attention to detail AND experience.

Like the idea of hangin it from the ceiling. Simple. Easy. Cheap. Don't know why I didn't think of just hanging it from the top before in my new vert. Have been wasting time developing all these elaborate hanging mechanisms... stupid...

the netting I am using was only 20 bucks or so...so it no big deal to toss and start over and recycle the orange screen for the drying box (which I still haven't built)

never be afraid to chime in..that goes for anyone



BST ... that is actually how I am doing it currently.. training the plants through the screen and chopping everything behind it.. however I didn't stay up on the branch removal that well this time around.. the first round with the string screen I did more of a weave training

when I was looking for a new screen that was the best I could find and I was disappointed at how much light it would block, i know .... everything else was either too heavy of material, because it has to be able to attach to the system so it moves with it when it rolls, or holes to big/small or blocked even more light.. or more money than I wanted to spend in case it didn't work... and this screen doesn't stretch it is made with rigid plastic


honestly I may just ditch the orange screen all together....thanks for the kind words bro

Yea bro I hear ya. I'm not nit pickin just sayin whats on my mind.

My old systems (well all my systems) used to move on wheels and the screens were always attached to the system itself so it moved too. Screen probably weighed a pound or two tops so it wasn't a big deal.

Lookin forward to new updates.

 

[bobblehead]

I suggested the "Horti-Trellis" I hung from all my rack rooms long ago , but was tryin to attack the symptoms instead of the disease since he`s already got the netting....anyways....regardless....

Where the FUCK can yas come on any public weedsite and get more constructive participation from as MANY knowledgeable and experienced vertical bare bulb AND horizontal specialists than down here in Vert-ville......

Ya`ll are fuckin awesome without all my added bullshit....so......I`ll be on my bucket more and defer to the folks that`ve learned and implemented said gameplans.......I`m just bored......Try ta overlook my old ass......Just tryin ta help.....

Peace....DHF..........

I'm due to go back into seclusion any day now... Lol if it wasn't for my online class I wouldn't be around as much as I am.

 

[Mister_D]

I suggested the "Horti-Trellis" I hung from all my rack rooms long ago , but was tryin to attack the symptoms instead of the disease since he`s already got the netting....anyways....regardless....

Where the FUCK can yas come on any public weedsite and get more constructive participation from as MANY knowledgeable and experienced vertical bare bulb AND horizontal specialists than down here in Vert-ville......

Ya`ll are fuckin awesome without all my added bullshit....so......I`ll be on my bucket more and defer to the folks that`ve learned and implemented said gameplans.......I`m just bored......Try ta overlook my old ass......Just tryin ta help.....

Peace....DHF..........

The day you slow down sharing all that knowledge of yours is going to be a sad day. Keep sharing anything that comes to mind, you're a gold mine bro .

 

[silver hawaiian]

I'm due to go back into seclusion any day now... Lol if it wasn't for my online class I wouldn't be around as much as I am.

Been feeling this lately holmes. Life catches up..

Tries to, at least..

 

[GMax]

sorry everybody I have just been really busy....no worries

I have stopped by once or maybe twice since the last update to get some chores done and i didn't have batteries for my camera.. last time i came i changed all the rez in the old flowering room and i transplanted another WW crop over to veg... so they will be ready to transplant in less than a week and then we start round 3 !!!!

in the old flowering room, i didn't get to the first rez change until day 12 which is no good.. the plants had some premature yellowing and stretched decent but not as well as i liked... i changed the rez though and now they are back on track...


but anyways today i am harvesting WW crop #2... i have been running that room with no green light since last update and today is the first time i have seen them since also... here they are











sorry for the shitty quality, seems its time for a new camera

the WW did great... they are looking a little bad but that is just overflushed.. i let them dwindle for longer than i planned... having no green light on has allowed the light stressed side of the WW catch up and did seem to help a lot.. but the unaffected side looks better than my last round, with way bigger buds..without the light stress, it probably would have been an amazing crop... we will see what harvest brings...

however this whole crop went without a single malfunction with the system , it has been awesome... getting a little more dialed with each run, but the WW has been easier to maintain than i thought... i have been the laziest grower in the world this whole crop and especially in the last two weeks or so and it still chugging along...

rounding up and being generous, i have spent 8-10hrs maintaining the WW since Dec 1st !!!! that includes transplanting , rez changes, screen training, leaf removal all that.. and the results you see.... looks like i am once again gonna spend more time harvesting than i did growing

so i have made a decision, that as soon as i find a new spot, i am running exclusively WWs and retiring or finding other use for my old system.... i can easily see myself running 4 WWs total with once a week visits no matter how far away i live from it

talk is cheap it is time to get my shit together..first thing is first though...time to harvest !!! i gonna wish i had that bonsai hero here in a few hours lol

 

[DHF]

Hope Harvey`s good to yas....

Peace....Freds.........

 

[RM - aquagrower]

No action here in a while. Hope all's well.

 

[GMax]

yeah all is well sorry guys just been busy with everything else...

got my partnership legit business up and running ( it was already established, I am just part owner now) ... trying to get in the groove with Mrs. Gmax who still doesn't know I grow yet, but I may be having the talk with her soon (she actually has grow experience too, how sexy)... the moving into the new house..harvesting...school blah blah blah...just haven't had the time to update and more importantly the WW room runs light on from midnight-noon and I am just rarely there these days at that time to take pics


but all is well and I am still safe and the growroom keeps chugging along.. I cannot tell you enough how easy it has been to run these WWs..it has been a blessing... I got my 3rd round on day 28 and round 4 veggin for a few more days than transplanting.. I am still safely at the same spot but I am stacking up paper for a 2nd growhouse consisting of flip flop WW rooms, possibly with two 1ks instead of three 600s... my plan is to get the second house going and once it is coming around harvest time I am gonna shut down the one I have now and relocate it.. but still keep the weed flowing


in grow news... my 2nd round with the WW yielded 965.7g with half the work/time spent than the first round !!!! which is 1.07gpw, the highest gpw I have EVER achieved ... and up substantially from my last crop (762g) ...in all fairness I was lazy and in no need for more buds at the time so I let the Sour Bubble go a full 9wks, 65 days actually.. I haven't charted it out to see which one has a better "efficiency score"

since I am growing a low yielding strain that I prefer because of the 7wk flowering time, but I am letting it go a full 9wks and exceeding a GPW.. then I might as well add a high yielding 9wk strain to really take my yields to the next level


I am getting back in the groove so expect regular updates once again... I will get some pics up ASAP thanks everybody

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

I am getting back in the groove so expect regular updates once again... I will get some pics up ASAP thanks everybody

woot welcome back man.

 

[drcelticgreen]

when u say you get 965 g or 1.07 gpw is that using the 3 x 600w lights or did u change that ? wouldnt that be .53 gpw or 1.6 gpw i dont see how you figure it at 1.07 gpw if you are using 3 x 600w lights . please explain - how many lights and what wattages were they that you used to get the 965 g over the 9 week period . thanks again things are taking shape on my end for me to get things going on my end hopefully ill have my own wonder wall sooner than later !

 

[RM - aquagrower]

when u say you get 965 g or 1.07 gpw is that using the 3 x 600w lights or did u change that ? wouldnt that be .53 gpw or 1.6 gpw i dont see how you figure it at 1.07 gpw if you are using 3 x 600w lights . please explain - how many lights and what wattages were they that you used to get the 965 g over the 9 week period . thanks again things are taking shape on my end for me to get things going on my end hopefully ill have my own wonder wall sooner than later !

He splits his room, so that 965 was from half of the light stack.