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Welcome to IC.if you read through this thread you should come to this conclusion. There is something about low light levels, and low hours of light that makes rooting happen. I have noticed this to. I have a hell of a time trying to clone and i've done many methods, BUT, for whatever reason, if i stick something in soil under the canopy in my flowering box, i get 100% success(of the 5 i've done this with). its really curious..
rafe
Member
I used to use a heat pad a dome jiffy pellets everything made to clone. Now I cut them at 45 degree then take the razor and scratch the other side of the stem. I take all leaves and hold them together like a bouquet of flowers. I then cut off the tops of the leaves. Now take a pencil or chop stick and make a hole in the dirt. Get the stem wet and dip it Root powder or gel wharever you prefer. Stick them in the dirt and spray 2 to 3 times a day with a spray bottle that will give a fine mist. Use should get roots soon the plant will grow. I have clone stems with almost no green foilage on it. Just trying to see if I could do it!
Freakazoid44
Active member
Greatest thread ever
Greatest thread ever
I have tried cloning via a few techniques in the past (including pre-bought cells with cloning gel), never had any luck.
I had a single female out of 6 seeds of the 2002 Gypsy Nirvana Cinderella 99 collection, revegged it and took two sets of cuttings. The early set, three cuttings, all formed roots using this method! I homebrew, so I just use 12 oz brown glass bottles, and cut up toothpaste boxes and use them as plant holders/evaporation blockers on the top.
My question is this - how much root development do I want before I pull them out of the water and plant them in planting mix? Will they get going once any roots are formed, or do I want at least several, with a certain length of growth before I move them? I went pretty quick with those first three, but they've been in the planting mix for a couple of weeks and seem to be doing fine.
The next four: one has sprouted a single root, and two more are covered with nubs below the water level, so they're ready to go. If it's better to let them form a certain volume of roots before I move them, I'll be more patient with these.
My first batch of three - the biggest one will be a mother plant, the other two will be used to make some female seeds. None of this preservation of that old classic C99 batch would have been possible without this thread!!
I'm going to do the same (re-veg and clone, not breed) with the strongest plant from my batch of JLPs Amnesia 99 seeds.
Greatest thread ever
I have tried cloning via a few techniques in the past (including pre-bought cells with cloning gel), never had any luck.
I had a single female out of 6 seeds of the 2002 Gypsy Nirvana Cinderella 99 collection, revegged it and took two sets of cuttings. The early set, three cuttings, all formed roots using this method! I homebrew, so I just use 12 oz brown glass bottles, and cut up toothpaste boxes and use them as plant holders/evaporation blockers on the top.
My question is this - how much root development do I want before I pull them out of the water and plant them in planting mix? Will they get going once any roots are formed, or do I want at least several, with a certain length of growth before I move them? I went pretty quick with those first three, but they've been in the planting mix for a couple of weeks and seem to be doing fine.
The next four: one has sprouted a single root, and two more are covered with nubs below the water level, so they're ready to go. If it's better to let them form a certain volume of roots before I move them, I'll be more patient with these.
My first batch of three - the biggest one will be a mother plant, the other two will be used to make some female seeds. None of this preservation of that old classic C99 batch would have been possible without this thread!!
I'm going to do the same (re-veg and clone, not breed) with the strongest plant from my batch of JLPs Amnesia 99 seeds.
I love to hear things like this Freak! I remember you from way back at OG right? I was smokinrav back then.
As far as the root development goes, you can plant them most any time a single 1/2" long root has appeared. You can also leave them for months in the rooting jar before planting and develop a large root mass.
Technique is different to transition them to soil though. If you're putting a water clone with small roots in soil, you may need to humidity dome it for a day or two, depending on the RH of the room they're in. Large root masses don't seem to need a humidity dome when transitioning to soil. I don't know why there is a difference. With either method, saturate the soil the clone is going in, and don't amend it to make it too light. Use you're regular medium after they have transitioned. You can use full light 2-3 days after planting.
As far as the root development goes, you can plant them most any time a single 1/2" long root has appeared. You can also leave them for months in the rooting jar before planting and develop a large root mass.
Technique is different to transition them to soil though. If you're putting a water clone with small roots in soil, you may need to humidity dome it for a day or two, depending on the RH of the room they're in. Large root masses don't seem to need a humidity dome when transitioning to soil. I don't know why there is a difference. With either method, saturate the soil the clone is going in, and don't amend it to make it too light. Use you're regular medium after they have transitioned. You can use full light 2-3 days after planting.
Mt Toaker
Member
if you put a bubbler in it and make it a DWC will it make the roots grow faster? I'm pretty sure I've seen people just have a tub or bucket and use the little pucks and have the cuttings in the pucks while the pucks float on the surface of the water. Have you used Willow tree tea? If you take the whips from a willow tree you can naturally extract a hormone that is used to induce rooting for cannabis. Just have to let the willow whips soak in water for a month or two, I can't remember right off hand. I haven't used it yet but now that its nice out I'm going to see if any willow trees are alive to harvest some whips from. Right now I just use peat pucks and clone straight into those in 2-3 weeks with nothing more than greatwhite in the water I soak the pucks in. I'm going to add the willow tea when I make it and hopefully cut back on some time. Good thread though, I have a friend who does cuttings of all of her house plants like this.
Freakazoid44
Active member
Good to know, and yes, you do remember correctly. I do recall the handle smokinrav, as well. My seeds that I've been using were from back then, as well.
Thanks for all the help. The ones I transplanted to soil seemed to be fine without the dome, though I moved them to more of a seed starting/transplanting mix as opposed to straight up soil. Once they outgrow their little cups, I'll move them to regular soil.
Thanks for all the help. The ones I transplanted to soil seemed to be fine without the dome, though I moved them to more of a seed starting/transplanting mix as opposed to straight up soil. Once they outgrow their little cups, I'll move them to regular soil.
Finagleabud
Member
I have a question about water cloning. I took cuts of a skunkman haze X skunk and successfully rooted 4 of the 6 by just covering a cup\water with tin foil, and pushing them through a small hole in the foil. Plain water, no rooting hormones or heating pads or anything.
It worked great, but my question is how long once they show roots should I wait to transplant? Should I do it as soon as I see little nubs of roots starting, or wait until they have a few long taproots? I'm just wondering cause I was under the impression a plant will drown if it's roots are just sitting in still water for too long, but that seems to be what makes water cloning possible, so I'm a bit confused.
It worked great, but my question is how long once they show roots should I wait to transplant? Should I do it as soon as I see little nubs of roots starting, or wait until they have a few long taproots? I'm just wondering cause I was under the impression a plant will drown if it's roots are just sitting in still water for too long, but that seems to be what makes water cloning possible, so I'm a bit confused.
Check out my post a few above this one, if that doesn't help, feel free to ask anything else.
Roots wont drown in water. Quite the opposite, roots are sustained in a kind of stasis enabling the clones to sit for many weeks until needed.
A question I've never had answered is how does the clone grow such large root masses without showing any degredatiion in appearance. The little girl used something to grow it. The pic on the first page shows a clone with a root mass that has to weigh more than the weight of the cutting itself. :shrug:
Roots wont drown in water. Quite the opposite, roots are sustained in a kind of stasis enabling the clones to sit for many weeks until needed.
A question I've never had answered is how does the clone grow such large root masses without showing any degredatiion in appearance. The little girl used something to grow it. The pic on the first page shows a clone with a root mass that has to weigh more than the weight of the cutting itself. :shrug:
Finagleabud
Member
Duh, don't know how I missed that. Thanks much! Exactly the info I was lookin for.
Freakazoid44
Active member
Using cups or beer bottles, I found the difficult thing was if I left for a few days, the water level would drop.
I used an empty OxyClean tub, cut the outside of the lid (so it would fit inside), drilled out holes and slots in each corner, and a hole in the middle. I then used the bottoms of Styrofoam coffee cups, put matching holes in those and attached them to the underside of the lid, secured in place by wires from twist-ties. In each corner I dropped a cutting, in the middle I ran the tube to an aquarium aerator and the aeration stone. I filled it up with water and plugged it in.
Four for four with much stronger root development. The foam cup bottoms kept the lid floating and stable. As water levels dropped, the whole unit would drop with it, so keeping up with water levels wasn't as vital, and it could go for extended periods without having to constantly replenish. Took about 15 to 20 minutes of prep to put it together, well worth the effort on my part.
I used an empty OxyClean tub, cut the outside of the lid (so it would fit inside), drilled out holes and slots in each corner, and a hole in the middle. I then used the bottoms of Styrofoam coffee cups, put matching holes in those and attached them to the underside of the lid, secured in place by wires from twist-ties. In each corner I dropped a cutting, in the middle I ran the tube to an aquarium aerator and the aeration stone. I filled it up with water and plugged it in.
Four for four with much stronger root development. The foam cup bottoms kept the lid floating and stable. As water levels dropped, the whole unit would drop with it, so keeping up with water levels wasn't as vital, and it could go for extended periods without having to constantly replenish. Took about 15 to 20 minutes of prep to put it together, well worth the effort on my part.
KING_JOHN_C
Member
good thread for people having issues with other cloning methods.
Cloning is piss easy mate....just don't over complicate it.
I've been using this method for a couple years now and keep telling others to use it.
However, I have to change my water every 2 days, otherwise the stems start to mold/rot around day 3-4. Yet you guys are able to leave them in there with unchanged water for more than a week?!?
Is it because I allow them to be in sunlight coming in the window and that they get 24/7 lighting (incandescent during the night)?
I have noticed that rooting takes Way longer when using 24hr light compared to 18-ish hours
However, I have to change my water every 2 days, otherwise the stems start to mold/rot around day 3-4. Yet you guys are able to leave them in there with unchanged water for more than a week?!?
Is it because I allow them to be in sunlight coming in the window and that they get 24/7 lighting (incandescent during the night)?
I have noticed that rooting takes Way longer when using 24hr light compared to 18-ish hours
Algae loves sunlight.
Also I have noticed the cuttings root quicker in tap versus
bottled fancy water.
I have been running some strains for years, so I know its not
cultivar difference.
I change the water every second day.
I only do six or eight cuttings at a go, if roots take ten days,
no worries here, I got time, lol.
Also I have noticed the cuttings root quicker in tap versus
bottled fancy water.
I have been running some strains for years, so I know its not
cultivar difference.
I change the water every second day.
I only do six or eight cuttings at a go, if roots take ten days,
no worries here, I got time, lol.
Awesome to learn about the sunlight - there's my problem.
Thank you very much D Cat
Thank you very much D Cat
