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Broad Mites?

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RetroGrow

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I forgot to take pics of what my clones look like, will do that tomorrow. But they look like SHIT!!! Pretty sure I killed some of them with that Azamax/Neem Oil dunk!!!

Anyhow I cut 3 leafs off my clones and just spent the last 30 minutes scoping them with my veho USB Microscope. I definitely don't think the Veho zoom in as much as my 100X microscope but anyhow this is what I saw... Let me know what you guys think. I will cut some leafs off my flowering plants tomorrow and have a look at them with the USB scope as well as my 100X scope.

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The forth picture down clearly shows a broad mite egg, at the top, center, right over the "vein". Notice the dimples, or dots on it? That distinguishes a broad mite egg from a cyclamen mite egg, which don't have the dimples.
 

RetroGrow

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Immature BM in red
BM egg in blue

Not seeing the dimples on what you are calling an egg, which are apparent in one of the other photos. Could be just because the picture isn't clear enough, but you can clearly see the dimples on his original photo that I referenced above. What I would like to know is how you reproduced his photo in your post? I can get photos from my gallery in my posts, but don't know how to drop other photos in them. Can you explain?
 

Kcar

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The forth picture down clearly shows a broad mite egg, at the top, center, right over the "vein". Notice the dimples, or dots on it? That distinguishes a broad mite egg from a cyclamen mite egg, which don't have the dimples.

No, it's not. It's a tric head looking straight down on it.
The 'dimples' are the reflection of the leds in the head of
the Veho scope.

Here is a pic of a broad mite egg. (open)
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RetroGrow

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Could not agree more. Infact, we have had excellent yeilds with both red spider mites and board mites been present. We managed these effectively by using Bio preditors.

Yes, I have used predators also, and they "work" to a certain extent, but you need massive numbers of them, and they are very expensive, unless you are breeding your own, and have to be constantly re-introduced into the room. I have found heat to be cheaper, easier, and more effective. The only cost is the one time expense for space heaters, with the variable being the number of heaters you need for your particular space to get temps to 120. Once you have that worked out, just turn on the heat once a week or more for an hour and the problem is under control without using toxins. Kills them throughout the room also, not just on the plants. A lot depends on where you live, also. In warmer climates, it is more likely they are outside your house and re-entering. In that case, the problem is much more challenging.
 
Broad mites will ruin everything you love about growing. They do not go easily. You will have to get a few miticides to deal with this. Equally, I want to stress that it is imperative to use an adjuvant, i.e. spreader/sticker in addition to making sure you pH it between 4.5 and 5.5. A lot of growers are unaware of the importance of correctly setting the pH of pesticides. I highly recommend this product, Indicate 5. Its a spreader/sticker that automatically sets pH as well. Its available at several places. Here's a link to one.

http://rosemania.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product40.html
 

Kcar

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Not seeing the dimples on what you are calling an egg, which are apparent in one of the other photos. Could be just because the picture isn't clear enough, but you can clearly see the dimples on his original photo that I referenced above. What I would like to know is how you reproduced his photo in your post? I can get photos from my gallery in my posts, but don't know how to drop other photos in them. Can you explain?

I just right-clicked and saved his pic to my comp. Drew on it
in 'Paint' and uploaded it to my album, then reposted.
(Removing the thumb tags)
 
I also want to add that floramite, which has bifen, is completely ineffective on Broad mites. You also have to increase your spraying frequencies to every 3 days for about 2 weeks. Their reproductive cycle is much quicker than spider mites, about every 72 hours.

I apologize if I've already posted this info. Having just dealt with this for last 3 months I'm anxious to share any info that would help anyone that is dealing with this same issue.
 

kg beans

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just thinking outside the box here and my appologies if this has been mentioned before but has any of you guys thought about using uvc light to try to combat these broad mites?
?bump:)i mean them germicidal lamps that kill bacteria ,bed mites ,molds etc..just a thought!
 

RetroGrow

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No, it's not. It's a tric head looking straight down on it.
The 'dimples' are the reflection of the leds in the head of
the Veho scope.

Here is a pic of a broad mite egg. (open)
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Ah....reflection of the LEDs....why didn't I think of that?
In that case, his eggs look more like cyclamen mites, not that it really matters. Same treatment.
 

RetroGrow

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I just right-clicked and saved his pic to my comp. Drew on it
in 'Paint' and uploaded it to my album, then reposted.
(Removing the thumb tags)

Ah, O.K. I did same, but thought there was a shortcut to paste photos into a post without uploading to my album. Although when I saved his pic, it was really small. Maybe I mistakenly saved the thumbnail. I'll try it again next time.
 

LEDNewbie

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All of this has been posted before. Please do more reading before asking same questions over & over.
Predators for BMs are:
Neoseiulus Californicus
Amblyseius swirskii

This is where you get them, again, all posted before:
http://www.koppert.com/

I know it has but looking to see exactly what he used and how much of it? I'm hoping I don't have to use them and hopefully get rid of these fuckers all together with heat treatments, Co2 and pesticides.
 

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one other thing, is there some kind of spray either natural or chemical that bugs especially mites just run away from??? Not to spray my plants with but to use around door openings, my window a/c unit I'll be installing. Things like that???

Like peppermint oil? Or cinnamon? A Fragrance or something that just repels bugs? Maybe spray it once a week?
 

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I found this picture looking on the web. It shows a 2 spotted mite and a broad mite on the same leaf.

Im not sure what the 2 round looking things are but they look like eggs..

I was looking for mites on my plants and do see the little round things but I cannot see anything else. At 100x with the radioshack scope I cannot see anything but these small circles... and they do not have any rings or spots like the pictures Ive seen and read of broad mite eggs... at 100x. I cant see any moving bugs with legs or a head, just some little circles that look like a cloudy tric with no stem or a tiny water droplet.

My plants are showing weird bud formation and not shooting out pistils, yellow tips. Seems like I can see what may be eggs but I cant make out an actual bug.

At 60x-100x can you guys see them fairly well? See them moving and make out legs?
 

RetroGrow

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https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=43768


I found this picture looking on the web. It shows a 2 spotted mite and a broad mite on the same leaf.

Im not sure what the 2 round looking things are but they look like eggs..

I was looking for mites on my plants and do see the little round things but I cannot see anything else. At 100x with the radioshack scope I cannot see anything but these small circles... and they do not have any rings or spots like the pictures Ive seen and read of broad mite eggs... at 100x. I cant see any moving bugs with legs or a head, just some little circles that look like a cloudy tric with no stem or a tiny water droplet.

My plants are showing weird bud formation and not shooting out pistils, yellow tips. Seems like I can see what may be eggs but I cant make out an actual bug.

At 60x-100x can you guys see them fairly well? See them moving and make out legs?

Probably cyclamen mite eggs. Google it for pictures. They are smooth, no bump. Same treatment as for broad mites. The mites are harder to see than the eggs, as they hide and don't like light.
 
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the gnome

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spider mite on the upper left,
broad on the lower right.

looks like the other 2 round eggs spider mite eggz, not broad mites for sure
 
You mind sharing your recipe for success?

Sorry there is no finate recipe. It is an organic grow using bio controls and constant observation of plants for mite infestations. As soon as an infestation is identified the correct bio control is selected in context of the grow environment. Plants have evolved their own natuarl means for dealing with various diseases and as long as these are kept under control there is no reason why the plant should not grow and yield effectively. I have posted the approach on pate 9 Spider Mite Controls.
 

RetroGrow

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spider mite on the upper left,
broad on the lower right.

looks like the other 2 round eggs spider mite eggz, not broad mites for sure

Right. They look a bit like cyclamen mite eggs, but too shiny. Not broads because no dimples.
 
hope you get a good harvest booboo, they can stunt blooms if too far into flower and
didn't get to them in time.

they are double nasty in bloom.
at least your under control and know what the scoop is now

So fuck, hit them with forbid, then avid and they immediately turned around and started looking great. New white pistils, green color came back to new shoots and we were golden. Then after azatrol and spinosad, the symptoms have reappeared bu I can't see any sign of mites now where I did see them before. Is it possible that that the forbid worked but not on the eggs and now tiny larvae, smaller than my scope can see are back at work? They were clearly visible before but not I can't see anything but symptoms are back after 6 days and stronger than ever. This is brutal! Or did I just fry them with the nuke job?
 
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