Concentrate Medicating Methods

[MyGrow]

I apologize if this is the wrong forum but this seems like the best forum for my question that I can find. Feel free to direct me to the correct forum if there is a better one.

Soooo, basically I think I want a skillet to medicate with concentrates or at least I would like to try it. What should I get after the skillet that would make sense?

What I think I want is a high end bong with as thick of glass as possible for durability, weight and quality. Like a 7mm RooR or something but length does not interest me, in fact, smaller the better I would say. Other quality brands I should consider? But then is there anything I should get between the bong and the skillet? I think I want some kind of horizontal bubbler. I'd like this for a filter and also it's kind of cool - I'll admit that.

Currently my main form of medicating is via a digi volcano with regular herb - not concentrates. Occasionally, I've been using small $15 chinese made bong that keeps having it's stem/bowl break when I try to clean it by tapping. Generally, I put a little concentrate on top of some herb.

Absent all that and besides how I am finding concentrates to treat me better I do really like the flavor of many concentrates so I'd like to maintain that as much as possible - I've been struggling to achieve it in some cases but perhaps the type of concentrate. Perhaps the skillet is the entirely wrong means to achieve this? Also the way I like to use water pipes is NOT massive youtube worthy thick dense 10 second bong rips. I do like ice in my bubbler/bong.

Sorry I'm a total ignarent of this kind of equipment. Thought I would ask here before I spend the $$$ at retailer. Thanks.

 

[overgrowit]

A titanium nail and dome setup is a good place to start. A glass nail is ok to but in my opinion more harsh.

Titanium skillets and vapor curves like the ones HMK invented will allow you to take massive hits or small hits.

What ever oil you rig you get i would advise not to use it with a large bong or bubbler, you want a smaller bubbler so that you dont lose a bunch of vapor due to reclaim on the side of the glass.

Check out some of Hashmastakut's pieces they are designed with balance and vapor flow in mind.
I like to use 14mm connections because they seem to provide the best draw without to much air.

I would stay away from the concentrate bowls and hot wands as they dont allow you to take a fresh dab each time you hit it. So the flavor is lost.

Also a 1.5 ohm Omicron cartridge with a 510 to M601 adapter, and a e-cig battery with 510 thread connections.

The Omicron works good with the new 1.5ohm(low resistance)cartomizers, but it is over priced and you can get a normal e-cig battery for much cheaper.


good luck

 

[MyGrow]

Great. Thanks. That's a lot of info I can chew on and research more to figure out what will work best for me.

 

[RulaTone]

Yes little bubblers are best for oil, both for flavor and potency, what ovegrowit said.
HMK curve is an insurance of funcionality, but you can find a lot of different brands with different designs.
You like horizontal diffusion, i think you mean Inline diffusion. Check for a "HOPS" or a Sasha Hess bubbler:
SH uses inline a lot, his bubblers are very thick and heavily worked.
HOPS created a standard model, Jagito bubbler, wich is a milestone.
Other glass artist i really recomend are Elks That Run wich creates a very unique style, importing native americans decorations.
Royal glass, who creates really cool pieces fusing modern with classical decoration, i really love his "chaos reticello" and the color contrast he uses.
they are not only very skilled artisans but also very kind people.

 

[Gray Wolf]

The key point is to vaporize it, instead of burn it and there are a panoply of choices beyond that point.

The three most common equipment have already been mentioned, skillets, nails, and wands, but add that if you use a glass nail or wand, get quartz instead of borosilicate, and it won't be thermal fracturing on you.

As far as taste, glass and quarts taste pretty close to the same, which is, well, like hot glass.

The Commercially Pure grades of Ti typically used in skillets, nails and wands, adds its own hot TI flavor, which sharpens the essential oil flavors and is what we use for both our wands and was used in the KO Domeless Ti nails that were donated to us'n at Skunk Pharm Research for testing.

We haven't tested any skillets, because no one has donated any for testing, but those I've tried, belonging to others, seem to get the job done as well.

The initial TI sharpness tapers off quickly, as the hot Titanium builds an inert oxygen and nitrogen alpha case, which stops the rest of the Ti from oxidizing.

The test panels that we used, liked both the flavors from the Ti and the glass, but the majority preferred the flavor of the Ti. I say majority, because the choice wasn't universal, so I would advise trying both to see which you prefer.

As far as an oil well and hot wand degrading the flavors, it does if you put a lot of oil in the well, but the issue didn't come up with any test panels, loading only enough for around 10 hits at a time. Their biggest selling feature is the high level of control that even a novice has on hit size, by how many times they dip the wand.

We like the nail better when comparing one oil to another, because it doesn't require a bowl change, but skill and daubmanship requirements are higher, to control dosage. We also like the simplicity of the KO Domeless nail.

We use a glass pipe with multiple bowls in class, so that the students can compare the taste of the different extraction processes, because a water pipe modifies the taste some. However, for day to day use, an un-cooled pipe is pretty hard on the lungs, so we use a small water pipe of our own design.

The key point is small, because as has already been pointed out, oil is lost to all of the interior surfaces due to cooling.

We use a diffuser on the end of our down sprue that is proprietary to the shop that makes them for us, but suffice to say that a lot of small holes are better than one big one, but the little small holes plug rapidly with oil. We opt for small holes, but they require regular cleaning.

I would recommend that you try all three methods yourself, but I don't know of anyone who makes Titanium wands, except for the small run that I had hand made for local Pharmers.

Certainly either the nail or skillet should be easy to find though, and try out before spending money.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

you guys have no curves? i can send ya one if you want, just for the goof.

 

[LouDog420]

I love my HMK curve !!! Gonna fire it up now in fact

 

[Gray Wolf]

you guys have no curves? i can send ya one if you want, just for the goof.

Thank you kindly brother HMK. I'm certainly not going to pass up an offer for a genuine HMK curve. I'll PM you a mailing address.

Better yet, if you will send me a whole pipe for testing, I'll even arrange for a test panel to test a skillet, nail, and wand side by each, and return the pipe part afterwards.

That will save me jury rigging a curve to one of our pipes here, and not presenting it in its best light.

In addition to our usual test panel, we could also include testing the three methods as part of one of our pro bono classes comparing the taste of the different extraction methods, and get even more information.

 

[MyGrow]

Thanks for the help guys. That's a lot I can start to research. Yes RulaTone - by horizontal I meant "inline" (it's all new to me!). Still lots of stuff to research but I really like how the Jagito bubblers look, bubble, they are small, but can I attach a concentrate device to it? And I guess I need to get the appropriate angle on the concentrate attachment that corresponds to the glass bubbler that makes geometric/functional sense.

I'm having to sort through what I think I want verses what I really need. I am willing to spend some serious $$$ because I find a lot of the glass rather beautiful and perhaps collectable (???). As long as they are relatively durable. I guess I am leaning towards a jagito verses a thick heavy bong with an attachment or two.

 

[Gray Wolf]

OK ya'll, HMK and I are exchanging some hardware for side by side panel testing.

On our end, an OMMP test panel will be testing BHO, QWET, and QWISO in:

1.0 The HMK Skillet on an original HMK pipe.

2.0 The KO Domeless Ti Nail adapted to a Skunk pipe.

3.0 An Agnostic Taost Oil Well, in a Skunk pipe, with a Skunk wands made of:

3.1 Titanium
3.2 Quartz

More on that, after I gets some required parts made and get things set up. I'll start a separate thread on the subject.

If'n any of the rest of ya'll manufacturers want to send us a sample vaporizing system to test, we'll add yours to the list and hoopla.

Ahwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[BudToaster]

If'n any of the rest of ya'll manufacturers want to send us a sample vaporizing system to test, we'll add yours to the list and hoopla.

i have a very preliminary idea for a tube to use with my Bud Toaster, which i have tried with a pinch or two of iso extraction ... needs refinement but i just don't have access to concentrates.

But once i complete the power pack design/configuration i would like to send you a unit for testing. i greatly respect your posts and have learned a lot from the threads you participate in.

 

[Anti]

 

[Gray Wolf]

i have a very preliminary idea for a tube to use with my Bud Toaster, which i have tried with a pinch or two of iso extraction ... needs refinement but i just don't have access to concentrates.

But once i complete the power pack design/configuration i would like to send you a unit for testing. i greatly respect your posts and have learned a lot from the threads you participate in.

Well thanks for the good thoughts and bring it on. We specialize in smiley test panels.

 

[eloquentsoution]

looks like q long day at the well on the horizon, gw...... this should be interesting!

 

[MyGrow]

I know this is an old post of mine. I've been very slow! Going by the advice here I guess I'll avoid the inline bubblers - due to the increase in glass surface and frankly i just couldn't find one that I liked based on design and looks. Hops was jakito was tempting. However, I came across these "ski mask" bubblers that are small and good looking. But has anybody heard of them or know of their quality or not. I went to my local place in San Fran and they didn't have any (not surprised). Getting giddy for that lovely concentrate flavor.

 

[MyGrow]

I guess I should say my plan is to add on a male 14mm 90 degree skillet/hood thing and buy one with a bowl and not a glass nail/dome.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Concentrates on the go?

Yeah it's a glass nail, has anyone used one of these yet?

Hoping a Ti nail can be found for it easily enough... the next question is, what torch would work for "on the go" size wise, yet still heat up the nail quickly?

Thanks for the thread, concentrates and these methods of using them are all new to me.

Stay Safe!

 

[Kushed_]

Concentrates on the go?

Yeah it's a glass nail, has anyone used one of these yet?
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Hoping a Ti nail can be found for it easily enough... the next question is, what torch would work for "on the go" size wise, yet still heat up the nail quickly?

Thanks for the thread, concentrates and these methods of using them are all new to me.

Stay Safe!

Get a vaporizer pen. There are many good ones out there depending on the type (consistency) of product to vape.

 

[prune]

Concentrates on the go?

Yeah it's a glass nail, has anyone used one of these yet?
View Image

Hoping a Ti nail can be found for it easily enough... the next question is, what torch would work for "on the go" size wise, yet still heat up the nail quickly?

Thanks for the thread, concentrates and these methods of using them are all new to me.

Stay Safe!

I believe the Do You Dab nail would be just the ticket for such an item. The DYD counterweight serves double duty as a 9mm nail, which is small enough to heat up in 15-20 seconds, and delivers some sweet flavorful hits.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I believe the Do You Dab nail would be just the ticket for such an item. The DYD counterweight serves double duty as a 9mm nail, which is small enough to heat up in 15-20 seconds, and delivers some sweet flavorful hits.

Sounds like the ticket. I don't know what size that piece is though... just contemplating.

I have to say I'm not personally impressed with vape pens and haven't been able to medicate with a 'vaporizer', be it volcano, whip or pen (so far). Everyone else around me gets ripped. Concentrate hits through a pipe definitely DO have a medicinal effect on me though. LOL

Anyone know of a micro-pocket torch that would do that 15-20 seconds for me? Don't they make little oxy/acetylene torches that fit in your hand? I remember seeing ones that took whippet/CO2 cannister sized gas cartridges. There been any advancements in that arena in the last 20 years?

Stay Safe!