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Lumigrow vs black dog?
- Thread starter Dboy420
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can you link us the XL... don't see it on there website..
but even not seeing it, these are being pushed out of china faster then a rice cooker cooking rice.. you can sure pick on up on ali or some other connection website.. I've seen the other models they have there with the side cooling vents on ali..
the lumi, not sure though, as I've never used there new units.. I can tell you as I've had two older units, and my "new" HGL pushes better at 280 then the lumi did at 330 watts.. I still am unsure what LED the lumi grow LED actually uses, from what I thought of last they commissioned someone to make them???? anyone???
once again, I also recommend any unit above any other that it's suppose to be able to be upgraded.. as for the example of my lumi vs. HGL light.. using 2 I save 100 watts and grow better.. these units are not cheap, and you feel like crap when the new thing comes out.. unless you grow for money and have some stock piled for the next hottest thing..but also there is some who don't care, but less watts and better yield I'm sure could never be ignored when talking indoor growing..
honestly I cannot say as I have never looked at both.. I feel I don't have enough info to make that call, also it is your money you have to spend..
edit: looking at the lumi, thing I don't like is the small size for the watts used. were learning it's more efficient to spread the light rather then have huge chips close together.. are the LED running 20 watts each also? I could not find a picture of the LED side of the unit, but it looks like there running very high watts through each chip, which means higher the watts on each chip less efficient it becomes..
but even not seeing it, these are being pushed out of china faster then a rice cooker cooking rice.. you can sure pick on up on ali or some other connection website.. I've seen the other models they have there with the side cooling vents on ali..
the lumi, not sure though, as I've never used there new units.. I can tell you as I've had two older units, and my "new" HGL pushes better at 280 then the lumi did at 330 watts.. I still am unsure what LED the lumi grow LED actually uses, from what I thought of last they commissioned someone to make them???? anyone???
once again, I also recommend any unit above any other that it's suppose to be able to be upgraded.. as for the example of my lumi vs. HGL light.. using 2 I save 100 watts and grow better.. these units are not cheap, and you feel like crap when the new thing comes out.. unless you grow for money and have some stock piled for the next hottest thing..but also there is some who don't care, but less watts and better yield I'm sure could never be ignored when talking indoor growing..
honestly I cannot say as I have never looked at both.. I feel I don't have enough info to make that call, also it is your money you have to spend..
edit: looking at the lumi, thing I don't like is the small size for the watts used. were learning it's more efficient to spread the light rather then have huge chips close together.. are the LED running 20 watts each also? I could not find a picture of the LED side of the unit, but it looks like there running very high watts through each chip, which means higher the watts on each chip less efficient it becomes..
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siddhartha
Member
I ran the BDplatnium with good results but it failed after a few months Would not recommended either at the moment if you are just starting out. I am testing a few other designs and will let you know what happens. But I can already tell they will all have the same design problems.
Sidd
Sidd
sidd,
i understand you are upset with your Blackdog LED's and the driver problems you had, but many of us have been running our arrays for a while with no issues.
i've been using one of my welthink wex-c150's for a couple of years, mostly growing peppers and herbs (recently cannabis) with no problems what so ever.
the lumigrow's are also quality units. maybe someone who owns one will step in and let us know how long it has lasted thus far.
sorry for your problems with your Blackdog.
btw, what units are you working with now?
i understand you are upset with your Blackdog LED's and the driver problems you had, but many of us have been running our arrays for a while with no issues.
i've been using one of my welthink wex-c150's for a couple of years, mostly growing peppers and herbs (recently cannabis) with no problems what so ever.
the lumigrow's are also quality units. maybe someone who owns one will step in and let us know how long it has lasted thus far.
sorry for your problems with your Blackdog.
btw, what units are you working with now?
Although not the current model, I've been using my Lumigrow for the last 2-1/2+ years without a hitch. However, I agree with Habeeb - the original footprint was too much power in too small of an area, and with the current model they have doubled the power and kept the footprint basically the same. Wrong direction, I think.
I think the next improvement to led panels needs to be spreading the footprint out. I do not think leds need to be so concentrated.
They need to make panels that are 2x4 and 4x4 that are LIGHT and have the led diode array spread out from end to end so equal coverage is everywhere.
Another great idea would be to do like kessil has done and have it so you can put a ton of lights all over the canopy to spread the lights where and as needed.
As far as the two companies discussed, from everything I have read and seen online both are great to work with. I do however think that ALL led panels need to have changes done to them including the direction of the fans airflow as well as diode placement.
2013 is a great year for LEDs and can't wait to see which panel you end up grabbin up. The amount of led grows seems to go up daily so it really is a blast to see everyones results.
sending positive growers karma your way brother
They need to make panels that are 2x4 and 4x4 that are LIGHT and have the led diode array spread out from end to end so equal coverage is everywhere.
Another great idea would be to do like kessil has done and have it so you can put a ton of lights all over the canopy to spread the lights where and as needed.
As far as the two companies discussed, from everything I have read and seen online both are great to work with. I do however think that ALL led panels need to have changes done to them including the direction of the fans airflow as well as diode placement.
2013 is a great year for LEDs and can't wait to see which panel you end up grabbin up. The amount of led grows seems to go up daily so it really is a blast to see everyones results.
sending positive growers karma your way brother
burnbradburn
Member
I'm growing a side by side with one side under a Platinum XL-U. I'm only in my first round of growing with it, and I'm happy with it so far.
Here's a link to my journal, I'm going to keep it updated with pictures.
I don't know much about Lumigrow, never grown with one or seen one in action, but I have heard more than one person say they're not as powerful as you would hope for the price tag.
Here's a link to my journal, I'm going to keep it updated with pictures.
I don't know much about Lumigrow, never grown with one or seen one in action, but I have heard more than one person say they're not as powerful as you would hope for the price tag.
burnbradburn
Member
I don't think all LEDs out there right now have concentrated footprints. A lot of people use special lens' that narrow the beam angle to intensify the amount of light directly under the panel, but I've seen a few that spread out nicely. One of the reasons I picked the Black Dog Platinum for my first LED is that they talk about lens angle and footprint intensity
I think that you will find that the light diminishes pretty rapidly after you get 6" or so in any direction beyond the immediate footprint of the light. Elevating the fixture more helps this, but then the power is reduced from the increased distance. LEDs work best as a distributed light source, and most of the current fixtures concentrate them so tightly that they become closer to a point source.
Phychotron
Member
Light distribution is why I'm a fan of the 400w Diamond Series, it has a pretty good size area, the plants under it have plenty of light, yet its not super concentrated like a lot of other fixtures out there, like the blackdog and others. I dislike the idea of all the diodes being crammed in close to each other. You don't need to put 500w of LED in an area smaller than 1'x1'. I think that design is to appeal to the HPS converts who insist they do a 1:1 unit swap.
It just makes sense from a growers perspective to spread those diodes out as much as possible.
It just makes sense from a growers perspective to spread those diodes out as much as possible.
I agree with you; well, that and it's cheaper to build and ship a small point source.
oneshot
Active member
My Lumigrow ES330 is boss. I love the build and quality. I haven't used it long but it performed great.
I would also look into California Lightworks. Blackdogs are good. I think they run 17 spectrums or some crazy shit.
My new light has their LED's in it along with Osram, LEDEngin, & Everlight
I would also look into California Lightworks. Blackdogs are good. I think they run 17 spectrums or some crazy shit.
My new light has their LED's in it along with Osram, LEDEngin, & Everlight
Shit, I meant these:
http://www.ecat.lighting.philips.co...d-horticulture/flowering-led/929000613301_eu/
They were talking about multiple, lower wattage lights. The 16W E27 bulbs are like $60 a pop which is insane, but if you could buy a bunch of those and screw 'em into flex-arm sockets that littered the tent, or just have a bunch on rails in a larger room it could be sick, imo.
http://www.ecat.lighting.philips.co...d-horticulture/flowering-led/929000613301_eu/
They were talking about multiple, lower wattage lights. The 16W E27 bulbs are like $60 a pop which is insane, but if you could buy a bunch of those and screw 'em into flex-arm sockets that littered the tent, or just have a bunch on rails in a larger room it could be sick, imo.
burnbradburn
Member
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "failed?" Have you taken them up on their lifetime warranty? If you're within 3 yrs they should fix it, no problem.
Lvmyblackdog
New member
I chose the Black Dog Platinum and the BD450. So glad I went with them! Just finished first grow about two months ago, and am very pleased with the end product. Plants seem to love the Dogs thats for sure. Afte 4 weeks of veg, I flipped to flower and discovered a couple of males from seedlings. I took them outside in the bright sunlight thinking that by the end of the day they would be sun burned. To my surprise, they showed no sign of stress. So I kept them out there for a couple days, then a week. Up to two weeks in the bright sun light and they never burned. It's as if the plants never left the Black Dog. They thought they were still under the Dogs, and that was impressive. I had experience with other cheaper led's in the past, and when I took some plants from under those lights, they got burned bad by the sun by the end of the day. End product was very potent!
Who let the Dogs out?
Who let the Dogs out?
Lvmyblackdog
New member
Currently growing Jesus OG and they are ahead of schedule. I flipped to flower after only 3 weeks. Not sure if it was the Dog that did it, or the strain, but I am noticing that the Jesus OG's are really loving these lights. It's already staring to snow on top of plants! Looking good!
