Hazemania

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

@ Ur Humbl Nr8tor: That outdoor flower of the ohaze is really beautiful! she looks electric... thanks for sharing, for all those plants i have used different soils, different nutes and light intensity ranging from 250w to 1200w - so it's kind of hard to tell... if possible i try to get soil that is not heavily loaded with nutes so i can ajust everything as i see fit - but for how to grow sativas indoors dubi really is the man to ask for advice, i have learned a lot from his posts!

Thanks Sideshow, she was (and still is - what's left anyway) an electric smoke. Straight to the moon, Alice with no ceiling that I've found (just white knuckled lightning high). The mix with the Meao Thai makes for a more rounded experience, but still very electric.

The new flowers in my post are being grown indoors, so just curious as to how others go about it.

Cheers,

 

[Elmer Bud]

Hi guys, I don't want to talk too much about the NH/MM here at Ace's forum - seems a bit disrespectful to dubi who's trying to turn a few pesetas with his super sativa crosses.

Plus every thread on Nevil's new crosses gets canned pronto by the mods....so a case of persona/planta non grata

But to answer your question; this one is at 16 weeks flowering with 2 weeks left to go, grown in coco - outdoors in the day indoors at night ....the giant cola is a reflection of the MM structure, while the mother's was clasically hazy - loose, airy, resinous. The smell on this one is sweeter than sweet; the mother's tropical fruit punch combined with the father's peppery sweetness has smoothed things out and left only an intense generic sweetness. Yet to smoke...

In Indian classical music, they have raags, or rhythm/melody patterns for every hour of the day...my idea of why you can never only have one grail coincides with that...

G`day Bushie

Appreciated bro .
I like a good Haze in the morning and some kind Indica at night .

Raag Vibhas - Morning Raga - Aalap

[YOUTUBEIF]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAt6jW8QvJE [/YOUTUBEIF]

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[bigherb]

Here's an Oldtimer Haze Ace Seeds F3 (from Underground Seeds Collective), #4 pheno @ 12/12 +160d :

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5613311#post5613311

Yum yum...

Thanks for the link

I think with your experience you can add some Great depth to this convo

THis link is a must read for the Haze lovers


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

thanks for posting the pictures of the nyc haze mate!

i love the foxtails with the big calyxes in those last two pics, that's one of the "visual" traits i like very much about the haze hybrids, the delicate thin leaves in combination with high stacking foxtails and big resinous calyxes - really elegant plants *g*

next time you are in the dam check out mexican haze in the dampkring (if they still have it, haven't been there since '09) on my last trip to the dam that was the most hazy i could find, quite similar to the titans haze i know and love...

i know how it is to be with regular stoners or even non-smokers *g* ... i have earned my fair share of enstranged looks for shoving a bud up my nose in the attempt to capture all the nuances of the herb's aroma...

regarding tom hill haze: well it would have to be a hybrid with a pure sativa, but please don't quote me on the TH haze being a hybrid, this is just a feeling i get when i look at pics online - i have no growing experience with the line whatsoever, so i'm really not qualified to make comments about her genetic make up... i have a lot of respect for tom hills work and have no reason to doubt his word about the origin of his lines...

sorry, i don't think i have any dry-shots from the original haze - the flowers were really just spindly stems lined up with tiny calyxes... not a lot of resin... bag appeal? zero - most people would laugh at you when you would try to sell it to them...

a combination of nevils haze and skunkhaze should be great, i think it would turn out really similar to ssh/jack, just a bit hazier... i imagine it to have a better high as the northern lights influence is what makes ssh/jack hit so hard...

i think it's normal you found hazier expressions in the skunkhaze than this titans haze, the other plants from the pack of seeds were longer flowering and less manageable indoors - the great thing is that the high of the short pheno (80days) is just as clean as the longer flowering ones...

thanks for your input and contribution to this thread! i look forward to see where the haze passion will lead you in your future haze-projects!

I hadnt seen this response till today ,When you first posted i recall you said you would finish later . I understand how it can be to respond to each poster in your thread an with some many Great post happening often its not easy to keep up

BUt i Truly appreciate your post especially your Detailed Responses , i love details


IM surprised others havnt commented on the NYC haze pics ,The quality is garbage but the image is not a common one .

I have seen hundreds of samples threw the years an the quality varies but the best has yet to be matched in my experience . The foxtails are a trait which intrigues me aswell ,although not very commonly found in our haze . The darker green/brown actualy Golden haze is what i look for and Incense particularly Frankincense is what i know to be of the highest quality haze


You know what makes me LOL really is some things are much more simple than folk make it an when i was younger we would call a certain Haze the goldens than come to find out that one of the four phenos of Ohaze was Gold an the trip is this pheno was reported to be most similar to NYC haze .(Not sayin NYC Haze is Santa Cruz Haze )


its like deep in my quest of Haze knowledge i would say things an some Folk thought it was Bs Newb talk yadayada . BUt then i was gifted the story of the origins an such much of what i thought made sense an seemed most possible was basically on point .Also a trip around that time Nevil started posting an Rewrote history an the contradictions I made to claims wer only confirmed by the man himself

Apolgies if i carried off for a min


I thought the quality of mako haze an 0cean 12 haze from Damkring or possibly tweede Kamer (whichi believ to be lil bro/sis shop) in 06 was Very nice also ther was a Cambodian haze I think was best quality of the 3 the ocean 12 haze shared a smiliar soapiness with Cambodian HZ but i think cambo was better smoke . If i recall correct ocean12 haze is suppose to be a S.holland Mexican haze cross in 07 i tasted the mexican haze an was very dissapointed .

Ive heard many Folk Rave about the mexican haze but this was not my experience maybe a bad batch


The most haze type smoke of the dam off the top IME is between Hashplant haze an G13 haze which won the cup from Reef which he told me was actually AB13 X nevilles haze .Soo no wonder it was hazeyy


Lmao ,I could picture it a lil haze bud stuck in your nose as you ask can i have 5 grams of that lol


I appreciate your insight an honesty with THH ,IME the Flowering started about the second third week of september an this is my experience with nevilles Haze. NOw the only comparison is soo as im not implying anything , Ithink THH is a diffrent beast an although NH expression was more sativa the indica helped her finish early as to where THH had no such help . I chopped THH early november caz of circumstance but i believe she would have went atleast another 3 weeks . I to believe this line is a pure sativa hybrid an i would attempt her outdoor again given better situation


Damn i could only see her in my dreams lol . Im from the younger generation but my appreciation for sativa has come with KNowledge
( ive gained thanks to this community )an a lil taste in form of hybrids . I dont judge a book by its cover but its sad soo many do . If they only knew



The NH x Sk/Hz would be great an as you say similiar to JH . BUt I suggested NH x Thunk . I think the heavy thai influence in both lines with the Different haze parents could produce the Dark Haze aromas we Both love . Also the Nl5 influence on flowering time with the yield of thunk could make for ST8 magic


I understand the titans haze sure seems special id love too see all her phenos . THe MNs skunk haze was really amazing IMO the growth was soo sativa id say she was next in line to the Colombian Gold i grew out .She is what id imagine a heavy thai hybrid


You are appreciated brother ,Always a pleasure talkin Haze its been a while since ive had such good convo soo excuse me if i got carried away


1luvbigherb

 

[ElRubio]

@ Ur Huml Nr8tor: That OT Haze green looks spectacular. Have tried some females here and they were very very tasteful. On the other hand, i´ve never try the Purple one, which it is said to be more incensed...but i´m sure Dubi can add some contrasted info on this issue.

@ Fluffy: That TH Haze (lemony) looks awesome as usual bro. Take care!

@ BigHerb: thanks for explanation about Rasjano Limona. Definitely is not the same plant that i posted before, but i think the description rasjano did could match in this single lady too. However, i guess mine´s more cat-pissed and ammonia touched than lemony.

@ Bushweed: NH21 * MM looks amazing...huge HUGE yield...thanks!!

@ Sideshow-Bob: I catched crystal clear your metaphor about The Grail...dont need to explain it more...Mostly of us are just grail finders sometimes...hehehe. And also i´d like to clarify some things too. Regarding to the high, I cannot agree this time...I do not feel that side-effects you described previously but i feel i can smoke lot of joints and i still i notice my head and thoughts are so clean. But, again, I´m not a haze sativa connoisseur, and the high is soo subjective depending on my mood i had that day. Concerning to the yield, you´re rigth. Not bad for this kind of sativa, but i was comparing her with a standard indi-sat hybrid. So you´re right and i was expressing myself wrongly

Since I dont have this passion for the hazes and churh tastes and smells i consider your JH like one of the best i tried ever. I dont remember well if i had tried it before in A´dam or wherever, but i found her like AAA+ grade weed. Furthermore, I noticed that this selection is more on the NL side, but anyway I love it. Its a perfect blend imho.

About the SSH, yes this one I showed before is widely spreaded here in Spanishtan. The yield is lower than the Bilbo cut, but it´s funny too. Nevertheless, as all the SSH i´ve tasted, this one was a heavy hitter whose effects end up with a very intense body buzz and confusing mind (after a couple of joints I really felt like a "chunk of meat"... hope you guys can get what I really want to say. Neither I am a native speaker, so sorry in advanced for my spelling and grammar mistakes). Anyway I´ll manage to send you some stems if you´re interested in.

Some more pics: dried buds. Both TH Hazes. Left: Raco´s kut. Right: TH Haze female from a gifted seed.

Love the foxtails growin in all directions

This was the one which came from seed:

And a veg pic at the beginning of the flower stage:

Thanks for this thread...is really didactic and funny not only for haze lovers but also for weed lovers in general...and for keep it civil hehehe
Hope you´re enjoying some haze in this harsh winter...A big hug for ya mate.
Rubio

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Heyya bigherb. The reason haze here in NY isn't the same as ten years ago is because of the busts. Growers got busted along with the guys originally bringing the stuff up from Miami area. Another thing, it may not be related to this "haze-brother's" line. I've heard its an old colombian. So if there's any truth to that than its most likely Colombian x Colombian/Afghani. No denying the indica in its bud structure. For those wondering its make up ya gotta think what these guys had access to in the late 80's. And what would flourish in south florida outdoors according to their flower period. Some of this stuff had to be grown outdoors in the 90's. For the amount of it being sold in NY alone there's no way it could have continued being made indoors. I'm told these guys operated with stolen electric power so the amount of it needed would have been so massive the power companies would have investigated where ever the surge was coming from. LoL those people don't play with their profits. Anyway a plant that goes 14 weeks would do just fine outside in south florida.

 

[bigherb]

Heyya bigherb. The reason haze here in NY isn't the same as ten years ago is because of the busts. Growers got busted along with the guys originally bringing the stuff up from Miami area. Another thing, it may not be related to this "haze-brother's" line. I've heard its an old colombian. So if there's any truth to that than its most likely Colombian x Colombian/Afghani. No denying the indica in its bud structure. For those wondering its make up ya gotta think what these guys had access to in the late 80's. And what would flourish in south florida outdoors according to their flower period. Some of this stuff had to be grown outdoors in the 90's. For the amount of it being sold in NY alone there's no way it could have continued being made indoors. I'm told these guys operated with stolen electric power so the amount of it needed would have been so massive the power companies would have investigated where ever the surge was coming from. LoL those people don't play with their profits. Anyway a plant that goes 14 weeks would do just fine outside in south florida.

Sup brother

Im sure that is just one of the many Reason's . I use to be Uptown atleast one twice a week in my younger days my cousins dad lived there soo its not like I took a train ride once in while .

IM not on the scene like i was some years back an im not sayin the Fire is Gone its just not floating everywhere .But occasionally ill see that old church type its just not in heavy rotation as it once was

I dont want to get to heavy into this as im sure you heard my opinion sevral times b4 at MNS .Soo il just Respond in this post

Just a reminder , IMO ive never seen outdoor haze being sold uptown ever .I am familair with outdoor haze as ive only ever grwon outdoor . Im not sayin it anint possible they might have a few haze grows outdoors but its definetly not for commericial production .

Id like to touch on my Reference to haze bros haze an NYC haze relation . I never said NYC haze was Santa Cruz haze blood , BUt i will say again i think its possible either pure or hybrid . When i came tyo the net an spoke of the NYC haze i knew nothin of the Santa Cruz haze . After i was gifted the story of the True origins ive learned 2 things which In my opinion add heavily to the possibility of relation . THe fact the Gold pheno was known to be catpiss incense Type an the Fact that the 3 brothers aka haze brothers who brokered much of the haze during the 70's where originally from New jersey . YOu might imagine much of the haze in New york during the 70's came from these 3 .This is only partially where ive formed my opinion

The possibilites Ive spoke of indepth in the past

In short all the haze related stock from the late 80's mid - 90's . Now my family can attest to having smoked church as early as 90 . But an active poster here yes only one lol smoked it as early as 85-86 . New york harlem in particular has had high grade cannabis since the 40's . Soo the possibilites of landrace an colombian are all on the list .


The idea of indica being prsent because of structure is not written in stone as some sativas are known to be quite compact . The idea that sativas Dont yield is a joke an only relates just as indica to certain strains . The idea Haze doesnt yield is from the prsent representation of a f10 +/f20+ stock . The Santa Cruz haze was a great yielder before she was inbred over 10 years this is when she stop producing an is why you see the expression today . Many folk dont know this because they werent around for it an because the Grows were on tight lock an done by select few . BUt she was sold commericially it wasnt for head stash soo you could imagine she was far from apoor yielder

The late 80's is only a date thought of by some ,who ? why ? because this is when Nevil started selling seeds an made it famous . The fact that Santa Cruz haze occasionlly had seeds in a bud is what makes the possibility that haze survives in various forms far an wide . I think Ace Old Timers haze is the Best example


Another note ive read many times folk on the NYC haze an Miami connect ,It bothers me caz folk hear somthin n just run with it . I know uptown cats who go to FL . BUt i also know Uptown cats who have set up shop right in the neighborhood an BX is also another spot .


The facts she is grown indoor an is sold in large amount is enough to know she is most likely a hybrid of sativa indica .Ive heard all the stories from pure landrace to Ohaze X's an anythin an everything else posted on line .BUt one will never know for sure



1luvbigherb

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

@pyrathh: thx for sharing the link! fantastic haze grow and really great to see you grow all these hazes side by side... keep up the good work!

@bigherb: thanks a lot for posting the kalichina smoke report! sounds like ace really created another fantastic hazy-hybrid with this one... can't wait to try her!

i remember the oceans 12 haze too, it was one of the nicer ones for sure but i def. prefered the mexican haze - but as you say bad batches are very real (and good batches are rare and go fast) so it's really hard to make any valid comparison with random samples (even more so after all that years)... but seems like the dampkring at least got one acceptable haze on the menu with a bit of regularity...

@ Ur Huml Nr8tor: That OT Haze green looks spectacular. Have tried some females here and they were very very tasteful. On the other hand, i´ve never try the Purple one, which it is said to be more incensed...but i´m sure Dubi can add some contrasted info on this issue.

@ Fluffy: That TH Haze (lemony) looks awesome as usual bro. Take care!

@ BigHerb: thanks for explanation about Rasjano Limona. Definitely is not the same plant that i posted before, but i think the description rasjano did could match in this single lady too. However, i guess mine´s more cat-pissed and ammonia touched than lemony.

@ Bushweed: NH21 * MM looks amazing...huge HUGE yield...thanks!!

@ Sideshow-Bob: I catched crystal clear your metaphor about The Grail...dont need to explain it more...Mostly of us are just grail finders sometimes...hehehe. And also i´d like to clarify some things too. Regarding to the high, I cannot agree this time...I do not feel that side-effects you described previously but i feel i can smoke lot of joints and i still i notice my head and thoughts are so clean. But, again, I´m not a haze sativa connoisseur, and the high is soo subjective depending on my mood i had that day. Concerning to the yield, you´re rigth. Not bad for this kind of sativa, but i was comparing her with a standard indi-sat hybrid. So you´re right and i was expressing myself wrongly

Since I dont have this passion for the hazes and churh tastes and smells i consider your JH like one of the best i tried ever. I dont remember well if i had tried it before in A´dam or wherever, but i found her like AAA+ grade weed. Furthermore, I noticed that this selection is more on the NL side, but anyway I love it. Its a perfect blend imho.

About the SSH, yes this one I showed before is widely spreaded here in Spanishtan. The yield is lower than the Bilbo cut, but it´s funny too. Nevertheless, as all the SSH i´ve tasted, this one was a heavy hitter whose effects end up with a very intense body buzz and confusing mind (after a couple of joints I really felt like a "chunk of meat"... hope you guys can get what I really want to say. Neither I am a native speaker, so sorry in advanced for my spelling and grammar mistakes). Anyway I´ll manage to send you some stems if you´re interested in.

Some more pics: dried buds. Both TH Hazes. Left: Raco´s kut. Right: TH Haze female from a gifted seed.
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Love the foxtails growin in all directions
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This was the one which came from seed:
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And a veg pic at the beginning of the flower stage:
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Thanks for this thread...is really didactic and funny not only for haze lovers but also for weed lovers in general...and for keep it civil hehehe
Hope you´re enjoying some haze in this harsh winter...A big hug for ya mate.
Rubio

No, you sir are not a haze sativa connoisseur - you are a connoisseur of every single cannabis variety, but that of course includes hazes and sativas! i value your opinion very highly, i learned quite a bit from you in the time we spend together and i consider you one of the most highly skilled growers that i had the pleasure to meet

already wondered that the Jack Herer should have left such a deep impression on you, now i'm sure: you got the Jack Flash and the Jack Herer mixed up! the Jack Flash (aka Jaggen) is the hazy, almost perfect plant... the perfect balance of skunk, nl and haze for sure! the Jack Herer is a really good plant too, but not that spectacular, it took me years to realise how good the JH really is, whereas it took me 10 seconds to know that the Jack Flash is something really special...

as we talking about the jaggen more in depth now, i will quote two posts i wrote about her in 2007 on icmag:

Hmm the jaggen missin her... but only a few weeks and i'll enjoy her again

for those who don't know jaggen, (the infamous jack flash pheno selected from the man himself - Knospe r.i.p. )

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this is the best plant i've grown till now... it's the most potent pot i know, it tastes so damn fine hazy lemony , and yields are really really good too...

greetz

Knospe was the founder of the biggest german grow-forum... without him i perhaps wouldn't grow by now, further i started photographing because of some incrdible pics of male pollen droppin out of male flowers he made...

sadly i haven't had the chance to meet him in rl... he died over a year ago, way to young - he has left a gap which is not possible to cover - he is missed and remembered by many :smile:

as for the jaggen: it's a 1 in a 10000 pheno of sensi's jack flash knospe found around 7 years ago... it is spread as clone all over europe - i heard she even made her way to isreal by now... it's something like an anti-elite-clone


greetings

I got her in 2006, so i was still extremely hyped up about her - that's how claims like 1 in 10000 came into being *g* it's really more of a 1 in a 150 plant... she was selected from 12 packs á 15 seeds if i remember correctly...

i wouldn't call her the most potent i know anymore, but she still is the most potent with the highest quality of the high that i know (f.e. amnesia haze is stronger but inferior quality of high for me personally)... jack flash is my allrounder, i can smoke her everyday for a long time without getting bored, she's great for allievating nausea and stimulating apetite, and the best thing about her is she makes it easy to keep the smile upon my face day after day after day *g*

she's the gold standard by which i meassure every new herb/plant...

thanks for the good wishes, the winter is pretty nice here in the last days as there is a lot of snow... i love it when everything's white - makes the world seem innocent...

un abrazo fuerte amigo! pronto nos vemos!

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Hi guys, I don't want to talk too much about the NH/MM here at Ace's forum - seems a bit disrespectful to dubi who's trying to turn a few pesetas with his super sativa crosses.

Plus every thread on Nevil's new crosses gets canned pronto by the mods....so a case of persona/planta non grata

But to answer your question; this one is at 16 weeks flowering with 2 weeks left to go, grown in coco - outdoors in the day indoors at night ....the giant cola is a reflection of the MM structure, while the mother's was clasically hazy - loose, airy, resinous. The smell on this one is sweeter than sweet; the mother's tropical fruit punch combined with the father's peppery sweetness has smoothed things out and left only an intense generic sweetness. Yet to smoke...

In Indian classical music, they have raags, or rhythm/melody patterns for every hour of the day...my idea of why you can never only have one grail coincides with that...

your post made me realize that it may seem very inappropriate that i am posting so much about non ACE genetics in this thread...

so i'm just droppin in to leave a hint as to why i think it was necessary to include these plants/stories in this thread and what it all has to do with ace ot haze...

here are some pics of Jack Flash x (Jack Flash x (Purple Haze x Panama)

@dubi: we can have this thread moved to strains and hybrids no problem, just let me know if you want this... but i had a reason to post it in the ace section and still think it fits in here

 

[idiit]

i've run ace's phz indoors as a test run and for some hybrids and i think it's really good as is. i especially liked the blackberry taste,purple hues, potency and high effects as is.i'm a compulsive pollen chucker. it brings me pleasure just contemplating and growing different home made crosses.


cool thing about ace forums is that dubi has traditionally been very supportive about using his strains ( phz in this example) as a platform for taking his strains in different directions.

another cool thing about his forums given his open support for different approaches is the sheer size quantitatively of our forum member base at ic mag translating into innumerable different strategies pivoting off his well established, well bred lines. instead of just a few different venues we are coming up with many different strategies that are not possible for a small number of growers to accomplish by themselves.

then, we've now got a pretty polite respectful vibe here at ic mag that allows different posters to do side by side analysis with valuable input by accomplished experienced growers throwing in their cents2.


my approach is going to be bringing some of the top landraces/poly-sat ibl back into a good traditional platform like othz.

here are some examples:

phz/electric psychoactive landrace/poly-sat ibl:
(angola red, red haired mex, destroyer, manga rosa, celestial temple sativa, up energetic punto rojo,sengalese, zamal, mm, and even an up energetic panama etc.)

you could use different phenos out of phz for the platform.

i really think that bringing pure landraces ( including poly-sat ibls) back into some of these f20+'s is a valid strategy for some very interesting receipes.

then we can openly do side by side discussions like this thread.

 

[ThaiBliss]

a combination of a special nevils haze pheno with burmese and hawaiian haze? color me interested! please keep us updated about your findings in the AT offspring (the PHT as well of course *g* )

Here are a couple of more recent photos:


The first is that combination that I nicknamed Acapulco Thai. I have never seen a line grow so slowly in the seedling stage. It got this trait, as well as the light yellow green color, from the special Neville’s Haze individual. I have seen some pure indicas that start a bit slowly, but not this slowly. Due to the repeated backcrossing to the Neville’s Haze cut and the Hawaiian Haze, this is well over 80% haze.

The tiny seedling is 7 or 8 weeks old and one week older than the fairly vigorous Purple Haze Thai (PHT) in the second photo! It will probably grow another month or more before it starts to get a head of steam and needs transplanting from the DeePot that it is in.

The PHT turned out to be male. It is time to transplant and cut it back. I’m going to keep it and use it to pollinate a SAGE cutting that I have to test its offspring. I’ve already done that with a Golden Tiger male that I want to test.

I’m using the SAGE as a control mother because it has so many excellent qualities except that it is not strongly potent. If I can find a male that makes its offspring more potent without deteriorating the quality of the high, then I think I can safely assume that the male is a good breeder for my purposes.

I’ll probably run the Golden Tiger x Sage and Purple Haze Thai x Sage side by side in a grow cycle about 1 year from now. Perhaps I’ll see about starting my own thread for that one.
There are lots of beautiful photos and good information in this thread. May it continue unabated.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[bushweed]

Hi Sideshow-Bob, I'm sorry I put that thought in your head. I'm really enjoying your thread and I think Ace Seeds is the best place for it because, along with possessing the purple and green haze, these guys also have a stack of sativa hybrids, from which one may find new representations of haze like lines.

Dubi's Purple Haze, along with Charlie's Mangobiche and Punto Rojo really interest me (I'd be bullshitting if I didn't admit to wanting to try the Panama, Zamaldelica, GT and Destroyer as well). But I love the narrative of how the OldTimer's Haze lacks vigour due to years of inbreeding - something you can see in pyrrath's comparative haze thread - it suggests that some real work has gone into preserving the line, and that interesting outcrosses with the Meao Thai etc. should bring out certain traits dormant in the pure version. I have a purple sativa called Nimbin Purple that is very haze like in its high. I think it's fairly monoecious because I only ever get females! The other annoying thing about this plant is that it takes 6 months cure before the potency and length of high sets in, but apart from that it has the most euphoric high I've experienced.

I crossed a Mango Hz male to the Nimbin Purple and some of the expressions found in the progeny are pure NP - with the exact euphoric high and potency, but without the need of such a long cure. That's the real beauty of hybrids; that ability to bring forth specific traits from a parent or even improve them...

@bigherb - who doesn't love the golden brown? Like the Stranglers said, "Never a frown with Golden Brown." I'm sure you're on the right path with a Colombian or Haze hybrid being the major player in the NYHz. But in the 70s there was also Golden Thais coming into the West and blowing people's minds...I'm currently growing a '78 Golden Thai crossed to both MM and NHz whose leaves remind me of Meao Thai Xs and also Tom Hill's Hz...

Peace...

 

[KITCHA]

Love the pic of the mango hz x np, reminds me of the buds I would get in macksville back in the day. Grabbed some of cbg mangobiche cause I thought it might be similar time will tell

 

[Elmer Bud]

Getting some early morning light makes the diff to the cure I have found Bushy .

EB .

 

[ThaiBliss]

First..., Elmer Bud, Bushweed, El Rubio, and everyone one else, thanks for all the great information and especially the beautiful pictures of first class growing and curing of top shelf genetics.

Now, I’d like to declare as others have:

Hello, my name is ThaiBlis, and I am a Haze addict. This often comes with passion, strong opinions, and a propensity for over analyzing any information presented\discovered.



With that in mind, while it may not be very exciting for most, but please indulge me as I post a picture of my Purple Old Timers Haze x Thai (PHT) male from Ace. For me it has been hard to find a special Haze female, I had one once, but it is also my strong desire to find a special male for breeding purposes. I expect this to be at least twice as challenging.

PHT



Here are some pictures of daughters from the one special Haze female I found that I nicknamed Acapulco Thai (AT).

AT Internodes


AT with Scissors for Scale



If I could grossly categorize the stages of life of an annual plant, I’d say seedling, juvenile, adult, and flowering. I’d say that the PHT male above has just barely started entering the adult stage. Notice the alternate phyllotaxy just beginning, and the mature looking leaf structure (narrower leaflets) just starting to emerge.


The AT daughters are one week older than the PHT above. I’d say that AT daughter pictured above is just now entering the juvenile stage. Look very closely at the first AT picture and notice the internode length of 1 or 2 millimeters while being at what I consider a seedling. Now, it is has internodes of maybe 4 millimeters. Ha!

These AT plants blow my mind. These will take 3 or 4 months more before I would even consider flowering! I’m going to use the male PHT in my next grow in less than 4 weeks so I can test the offspring. However, any lack of complete maturity at the start of flowing is insignificant as far as I know. Please feel free to correct me if anyone thinks differently. If it was female, I may want to wait a bit longer for the fullest maturity.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[bigherb]

Sideshow Bob

Yes no Doubt Kalichina is a must try

The Dampkring IME has always offered some Haze selection which is of Great quality an the De Tweede Kamer which is the big bro/lil bro shop has always had a High quality offering IME aswell sometimes with an item maybe not offered at Dampkring its a smaller menu with basically the same selections


Im curious to hear more about your experiences with Jack herer an Jack Flash . Your experience with JF being hazier is intriguing considering its skunked up line of JH . Ive always thought of JH as Good smoke But not my Idea of Haze . The skunkier JF had peaked my interest from description .

If i mentioned it before or not Id like to say again that the Flavor profile of a Skunk x Haze pheno from MNS I grew out was spot on to Some of the JH BUd that circulates NYC , BUt Better all around except id imagine yield

Ive always been Intrigued BY Sensi seeds old stock its just a shame recent reports in past years seems they lost parental stock . One Haze line which isnt popular on boards or by reports that has intrigued me is Mothers finest . The Pics ive seen of her is heavy Haze the description from JK in BBB volume 3 (whateva weight that holds ) seems to possibly be Nevilles haze crossed to a JH parent


Much respect to all contributors great Pics an info all appreciated



1luvbigherb

 

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finally got some time to post more in this thread...


@bigherb: Good info on the golden-brown phenos carrying the frankincense trait, i’ve not come across many pure/true golden pheno in my hazeventures. I remember getting an „acapulco gold haze“ somewhere in holland which were really golden buds with a nice haze-aroma. (though i can say that a lot of non golden phenos of haze have incense traits too, but maybe the golden expressions are where the most pure frankincense aroma is found).

When i say dampkring i’m mostly referring to the tweede kamer or the old pink floyd shop, as i don’t like the hectic atmosphere of the first dampkring ever since that movie...

With what i write about jack herer and jack flash you have to keep in mind that i’m referring to two special expressions of these lines, not the lines in general. Afaik it’s pretty hard to come upon hazy expressions in the jack flash seeds, jack herer normally tends to be hazier (though i have yet to try a jack herer that matches the jaggen in terms of incense-taste or overall quality) but the clone i have is more of a northern lights x skunk expression. Other jack herers i tried were a lot „hazier“ in terms of structure, but aroma mostly was more on the citrus side with little to no incense, the high of these hazier expressions is strong and racy – but not as refined as i’d like, tbh most jack herer i tried has been disappointing if you view it as a hazy plant or compare it to other haze hybrids such as a simple skunk x haze, as you mention. The titans haze for me is superior to any jack herer i have tried, the high is way clearer, less racy, yet more mind expanding and the taste is a lot hazier. But i’m sure there are some nice, hazy jack herers to be found – ******s line has caught my interest in that regard...

My only experience with mothers finest is with coffeeshop weed (i think from the tweede kamer ) and i can tell that is was really nice herb, and yes quite hazy. Should be interesting to see what can be found in the seeds...

The fact that Santa Cruz haze occasionlly had seeds in a bud is what makes the possibility that haze survives in various forms far an wide . I think Ace Old Timers haze is the Best example

i’m too far away from the relevant time and places to really be able to write about this, but what i can tell is that oldtimers haze in my mind is without a doubt haze. From dubis oltimers haze thread i can gather that the range covered by this haze line is a lot wider than the dutch haze lines, so it is really plausible that it is a pre-dutch haze. What is intriguing me is that sam claims that he selected from 10 000 haze males in the netherlands while stabilizing the line. Well it’s stable today no doubt, so stable that it has to be outcrossed to reach its former potential... and some expressions that are present in the ot haze line are not present anymore in the dutch haze... now if i view titans haze as the result of the work that was done with the haze line in the netherlands, i.e. a result that stems from a selection involving 10 000 males, i have to give ACE even more props then before. In one single pack of their seeds i have found a male that can produce expressions so similar to the titans haze that it is hard to tell them apart at times. So for me the ot haze is of much more value, with very little work it is possible to get the same results as the dutch haze delivers, while the genetic range is so broad that a lot of other results (some of which are even more desirable for me personally) can be achieved too, depending on what goal the selection has.

Thanks again for all your input in this thread, it feels great to share this passion with others ☺


@rubio: the similarity of the selected tom hill haze and the one from a random seed is amazing, was the final product as similar as the looks in terms of taste and effect? seems like tom’s line is really stable while still having lots of vigour – nice!

@bushweed: it’s really great to have you on the thread, with your experience of different sativas and hazes you add a point of view that is very valuable to me in the process of understanding how it’s all related and what makes haze different/unique to other pure sativas...

i enjoyed your analogy of herb and indian music, i too think there is the right herb for any time of the day/ mood / state of mind... haze just happens to fit with more situations than other strains for me, but i don’t want to miss my indicas for the relaxed evenings / night times

But I love the narrative of how the OldTimer's Haze lacks vigour due to years of inbreeding - something you can see in pyrrath's comparative haze thread - it suggests that some real work has gone into preserving the line, and that interesting outcrosses with the Meao Thai etc. should bring out certain traits dormant in the pure version

not sure to what narrative you are referring here... my understanding is that very little to no inbreeding took place with the oldtimers haze (dubi and ace made open pollinations to preserve everything from the original batch of seeds they recieved – which supposedly were very close to the cali-haze of the 70ies)

the dutch haze is the one that is heavily inbred towards one specific expression and needs be outcrossed to really shine. with the othaze dubi suggests to use it for outcrossings for indoor-purposes – or to grow it pure in suitable outdoor environment – where it really shines (as can be seen in the oltimer’s haze thread)


not sure about the underground collective f3 seeds that pyrrath uses, i.e. how many specimens were used for each generation’s reproduction – but i too noticed how similar it looks to the inbred dutch haze grown indoors... that could be because of the general difficulties of growing a pure tropical sativa idoors, or the three more generations – no idea... but reading the oltimer’s haze thread here in the ace section it seems pretty clear that the othaze is in no way heavily inbred...

the nimbin purple sounds great, it’s amazing how much better the high of many sativas gets with curing – for me that shows that thc has less influence on the effects than is generally accepted (i’m also wondering if cbd really is responsible for the body-effects, stoned/numb feelings, as cbd is supposedly a partial 5ht2a agonist)

i’m completely with you when it comes to hybridization as a means to combine desirable traits of different lines/plants in one plant/line. That is what makes pollenchucking so exiting for me, and that’s how i approach every new cross: thinking about which trait i want to add / get rid in a pant and what other plant is likely to achieve the desired result... but in reality i’m often surprised by the outcome (sometimes by the predictability and sometimes by the randomness of inheriting certain traits), the np x mh hybrid sounds like it’s right up my alley, thanks for sharing

@thaibliss: damn that AT sure is slow to grow in veg.... i’m curious to see how she’ll react once she’s put in flower.... good luck in your quest for a good haze-male! It’s not an easy task but it’s surely possible i think the pht is an ideal starting point for such a quest ( i found a very special male in the php, about which you will hear a lot more down the line in this thread...)

@elmer bud: those flowers look tasty! Love me some good cured haze... i assume the nimbin purple x mango haze you posted erlier is the cross that bushweed mentions? Would be really interesting to compare it to an ace purple haze hybrid like the php... how’s the smell / taste like?


Thank you all for contributing to this thread! It’s a real pleasure to converse with so many knowledgeable gardeners about these special sativas

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

So it’s about time that i write more about the purple haze x panama. This hybrid is one of the best combinations that i have had the pleasure to experience. It’s rel. easy to cultivate for a 100% sativa/haze hybrid, of course it takes a bit of patience (14-16 weeks of flowering) but the plants finish completely within a reasonable timeframe. ACE managed to keep all the desired haze traits present in the hybrid, while reducing flower-time and increasing yield and allaround ease of handling. The traits that are unique to the purple side of the haze come through very good, about 50% of the plants exhibit the color without low-temps – with low-temps basically all of them turn purple. The taste that is specific to the purple haze, i.e. the darker burgundry, black liquor aroma was present even in the more green phenotypes. The hybrid still reflects the wildness/rawness/unworkedness of the OT-haze line, the aroma is very, very complex and really intense.

Now i’ll try to give you a smokereport of the herb. Which i have to start by pointing out that it won’t be a smokereport but rather a vapor-report. Smoking this hybrid is really disappointing – the smoke is quite harsh (even after 6 month of curing) and the smell does barely translate to the taste of the smoke. With vaporizing it however things are completely different, it produces fantastic vapor quality. The smell not only translates to the taste of the vapor but it gets even more complex and it’s possible to taste all of the (purple)haze-nuances. The taste lasts astonishingly long - there are a lot of terpenes/flavonoids present apparently.
Now, imho every strain is better vaporized, but with most modern hybrids the difference between the taste when smoked and vaped is not nearly as drastic. If i were still a smoker i think i would have discarded the f1-generation of this hybrid for producing final-product and only use it for further work (this is what i mean with wildness/rawness/unworkedness). But from the point of view of a vaporist this hybrid is as close as it gets to a perfect haze!

The taste when vaporized starts in the first moment of the inhale with a deep resinous note, to which almost immediately comes the burgundry-blackliquor taste (for the synaesthetically inclined i may add that this nuance is a completely red taste, incredible!) this burgundry taste gets sweeter and sweeter, and kind of spirals up, gaining a higher frequency until it reaches an incredibly tasty peak of dark-spicy-incense-aroma, on this peak the taste incorporates all of the aforementioned nuances in the background, and the incense is in focus. The peak starts with the begining of the exhale and levels out when everything is exhaled. Subsequently the whole room reeks of haze and it almost feels like the haze-vapor is purifying the air. A truely unique and amazing experience!

The High is similar to the taste, covering a whole spectrum: starting with a deep relaxing feeling and spiraling up, steadily gaining a higher frequency until it reaches a peak after about 20-30 minutes. This peak is marked by access to the hypnagogic plane, meaning it puts me in a place that is somewhere between being awake and being asleep, where it is possible to perceive my thoughts and my consciousness in a very visual, symbolic way. Every thought is suddenly reaching deeper, covering more depth, stretching its roots deeper and deeper until it taps into the river. The river is a part of my consciousness that lies beyond everyday perception, my identity is only a fragment, a drop, in this river. It’s a mystical place that puts me in awe, makes me feel small and insignificant on the one hand. On the other hand this humbling feeling comes with an alleviation that nothing is worth stressing about, that it’s never too late to start to care and that every little action has a reaction. It gives me a grounding feeling while at the same time i’m high up in the clouds. This peak of dreamy, deep relaxation with extreme mental activity lasts for a good 3 hours (depending on dose even longer) and transitions into a slow and gentle descent back to baseline. After the experience there is little to no burned-out feeling, i’m still capable of handling important tasks and generally feel really good and content. Worth noting is also that there is no ceiling: the higher the dose, the higher the plateau that can be reached (too much and it becomes quite uncomfortable) with repeated doses the peak/plateau can be prolonged, so much so that you can spend a whole day in this state (or your whole life *g*)

Btw the effect is the same when smoked, just the taste is a lot better when vaped.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

and of course i brought some pics too....

here's some haze inspired artwork i made since the last post in this thread ("Butterflyeffect")

this may help to understand my vape-report of the PHP... maybe... don't know







a makroshot of the Purple Haze x Panama male #7:

more to come about this plant...



and some titans haze dry sift - sweet, sweet incense taste

good vibes

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

oh forgot one photo... this one's for you aussies

haze-hybrid seeds