Aliens, yay or nay?

[DreamsofTesla]

If you want to drop it, the way you do it is by dropping it. Not announcing to everyone your intention to drop it and telling me to get over it.

I think you're a nice guy, but you have a lot of very rigidly defined ideas and rules, and I don't enjoy them.

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[DreamsofTesla]

so what im getting at is that accepting something interesting is going on but not being prepared to consider that said phenomenon is possibly of alien origin seems narrow minded unless one has a better explanation. specially as some of the witnesses state they saw flying saucer type craft as part of their experience.

I had a near death experience as a child. People often want to invalidate my interpretation of the experience. Sometimes they claim that it was something about oxygen deprivation and chemical reactions in the brain causing X, Y, Z. Considering they can't define consciousness at all, it seems bizarre to me that they speak so definitively about an experience I've had and they haven't.

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[The_Protege]

Please show me 1 single alien...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

 

[Crooked8]

I don't think aliens have made their presence on earth, ever. If they exist its in another galaxy or something and traveling this far might be impossible. Pretty hard to say since there really is no evidence of an actual alien we've found.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

Please show me 1 single alien...

I know a single alien. His name is Luis, he lives in Indianapolis.

 

[Seal-Clubber]

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did someone tell her?? <if you saw away your front teef and cap it with plastic, the rest still look like shit.>

 

[Seal-Clubber]

religion has been pumped into people since they were born, so that's not quite the same type of belief is it? i mean these people we are talking about are all direct witnesses to what they supposedly {think they} saw. ~

{witnesses} Their belief is based on seeing, while religious belief is based on indoctrination and ones study. belief in the religious way is supposed to be faith based, so those believing it don't have to be irrational in their every day lives.{see: comment} - claims about 70 aliens life forms being categorized by the cia are supposed to be factual, so you can't just choose to believe such things on instinct, you need convincing evidence, if you want to remain rational about it anyway. {lost me on that one, no need for comment.}

Sorry for the misquote, i was thinking while reading.. You have a very good understanding on a fair basis for a sense of reality. Is reality known from birth or does it develop? I see the way people think and believe in different things, tangent/untangent.

religion has brought people toward many forms of peace and war. If they choose to go to war, they better think again about theft, rape, and murder. the 3 major religions has said, if you go to war, it is a holy war. the 3 main books talk about peace and judgement. I think if thugs ruled our world for the last 2000years, we would be worse off. religion hurt people because its not perfect, we are not perfect people. Our growth gives us our wings, lets grow beyond a simple nature for hating religion or rational tradition.


Other than that dude, we on the same page..

 

[Anti]

I think you're a nice guy, but you have a lot of very rigidly defined ideas and rules, and I don't enjoy them.

<3 Tesla

My rigidly defined rules:

I don't believe in things that are beyond my experience.

I don't believe in things without seeing sufficient evidence.

My mind is open to many possibilities, but I will not BELIEVE in any of them until there is evidence to justify them and I will not continue to believe them if evidence contradicts my current beliefs.

(i.e. if you can demonstrate that Reiki or Bashar or Noah's ark are real, I want to know it! But if you simply "believe it" because it "works for you"... I am not and never have been arguing against that belief.

I don't share it, of course. But you are welcome to it.

Please, bring up some of your philosophical ideas. We might share some of them. I have intensively studied eastern and western philosophy, theosophy and the history of all major religions. It is a subject I have much interest (but little belief) in.

 

[gaiusmarius]

if you understood that i was belittling religion, you got the wrong end of the stick. was just trying to explain that it's a different kind of knowing. while much evil has come from man in the name of religion, much good is done every day all over the world in many small and big ways, all in the name of the creator or at least in the anticipation of being judged at the end. so really i have nothing against basic religion. mostly it's all about trying to do onto others as you'd have them do on to you. more people should live by this credo, be it called karma, kismet or reap what you sow.

 

[Anti]

I don't think aliens have made their presence on earth, ever. If they exist its in another galaxy or something and traveling this far might be impossible. Pretty hard to say since there really is no evidence of an actual alien we've found.

 

[megayields]

Don't be a hater on Aliens bro......or they might "probe" you!

 

[Anti]

i have nothing against basic religion. mostly it's all about trying to do onto others as you'd have them do on to you. more people should live by this credo, be it called karma, kismet or reap what you sow.

I like the way Kung Fu'tse says it better:

"Do not do to others that which you would not want done to you."

But really, I agree with everything you've said here.

I consider religious mythology to be a set of stories and symbols designed to reach the non-rational parts of your mind and awaken a sense of awe, wonder, mystery and respect.

I only argue with people who want to interpret these myths as if they are literal instructions from a literal deity.

I wish we could discuss and debate about these topics instead of talking about the complete lack of evidence for aliens, but it's against the TOU to have in depth discussions about religion.

 

[Anti]

Don't be a hater on Aliens bro......or they might "probe" you!

If she's cute enough and she has a gentle touch I might even let her.

If she looks like ET or Alf or Roger from American Dad, I'm gonna pass.

 

[gaiusmarius]

if they have never been here what is it all these people are seeing that has them telling us they saw alien space craft? are you saying these sightings and events all have been human made craft? secret tech? i mean you conceded it made you wonder, so what are you speculating that these folks have seen. if you say no way was it of alien origin, then you must have a better theory that explains things?

 

[gaiusmarius]

bring on the nordic ladies!

 

[Seal-Clubber]

I consider religious mythology to be a set of stories and symbols designed to reach the non-rational parts of your mind and awaken a sense of awe, wonder, mystery and respect.

I only argue with people who want to interpret these myths as if they are literal instructions from a literal deity.

some might consider religion and ancient visitations to be similar in our past, we are not off topic.. DUDE... now you are talking.. I totally agree. If you dont mind, lets examine a few things first if direct evidence will not be available to you atm. as a question, how would you respond if an 'unworldly' presence entered your home? would you be scared, or if you were told, dont fear the pain anymore? would you be prepared to listen and feel the emotions and meaning before requiring direct and verbal verification?

I am just asking what you would do in a situation you cannot fully explain without rethinking some basic hard-wiring in the brain. It`s almost religious, I would think, to witness a higher power when a person is downed - be it a child from alcoholic and abusive parents to anything else a 'good' needs from now on.

 

[Jellyfish]

if they have never been here what is it all these people are seeing that has them telling us they saw alien space craft?

The movies? Star Trek?

 

[megayields]

I want to believe......Fox Mulder

 

[Anti]

if they have never been here what is it all these people are seeing that has them telling us they saw alien space craft?

If Noah's ark isn't real why do all these people tell us that it is?

are you saying these sightings and events all have been human made craft? secret tech?

No. I am not saying anything at all about these sightings. I am not putting forth an answer. I don't have one. I haven't gotten a clear enough picture of what these people are discussing to come to a conclusion, yet.

I say that the square root of 23223123098240984901239487134987234897349784876123496748134658173648712364897123649817236498127346912783469182734691278364981723648917234698172364891723649871236497812634981723468917346598759875987597372307207207748967363764774 is blueberries. If you don't know the answer, it MUST be blueberries, right?

i mean you conceded it made you wonder, so what are you speculating that these folks have seen.

I'm not speculating about what they've seen. I'm asking for evidence so that I have something to speculate about.

if you say no way was it of alien origin, then you must have a better theory that explains things?

I didn't say that it couldn't possibly alien technology. What I said was that those testimonies are people describing OBJECTS they saw. None of the people giving testimony in the whole hour of clips that I watched (in order) starting with the one that I think Bombadil linked up claimed to have seen Aliens. All claimed to have seen objects and then tried to describe these objects.

It leaves me wondering what they saw and wishing someone would take a goddamn picture or a video when they were seeing something that they knew others would doubt.

Maybe that was too much to ask in the 1950s but how many people in this thread DON'T have a camera on their phone in 2013?

My knowing or not knowing an answer does NOTHING to increase the probability that someone else's answer is correct.