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but we don't consider the slaughter of civilians heroic ...... do we?
unfortunately, i know of some older people who think dropping a-bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki really 'taught them japs a lesson'.
unfortunately, i know of some older people who think dropping a-bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki really 'taught them japs a lesson'.
Well to be honest most military members' "illegitimate" gun violence sadly just includes themselves.
I'm speaking on more of the root causality than on any accountability.
Being held accountable for wrongful killings probably should include something more than a court martial.
What I was really getting at was that life is to short to end it on anybody's end.
Fighting fire with fire is just going to make everybody hot.
Why aren't the cops trying to take him in alive like they are bound by oath to do?
It's pretty obvious they just want to kill him and don't care if the whole world watches.
I'm concerned a desensitized public won't care about lack of due process and just get gladiatorial glee from the bloodbath.
As for a civil war, I see a slippery slope of "acceptable" deaths leading to a really nasty hypocritical revolt that no one will truly ever win.
It's embarrasing enough our bloodiest war was amongst ourselves, citizen versus citizen.
If we ever get our shit together enough to win back control of the country I doubt it comes about by violent revolution.
We have funded the machine to the point where we are powerless if it's a good old fashioned shoot em up revolt.
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" unfortunately" you are 100% correct
if i had my way when politicians and just plane underhanded fucking idiots start shit they should finish it ALL BY THEMSELVES.
that would keep the people who have nothing to do with starting the shit (read : soldiers/civilians) out of the crossfire and the half life of hate would change for the better
i really do understand what you are saying , but even though innocent people have been dragged into the crosshairs countless time throughout history it does not make shooting at civilians ok
if this guy had gone after only cops i would probably be on his side, but he didn't do that.
if someone went after my family for something that i did you can bet that i would be after them just like the LAPD is after this guy. i really doubt that i would be shooting up the wrong color car, but your could count on me being ....... uhm ..... somewhat irrational ....... until i got got my hands on the guy
the fact is the LAPD is scared for their own lives, and scared thugs tend do do really stupid shit, especially when they have a track record of getting away with it
I wont speak on honore cause its subjective . But hear in the Chi if u shoot a cop not even killing him . The cheif of police gets on tv claiming there no place safe to hide and there going to find you . But let a promising teenage girl name Pindelton gets shot in the back and killed . And its no such declarations of revenge but its we need the communities help in solving this . Cops are all the same and deserve no quarter when the Reaper comes looking for them .
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mean mr mustard, you cant possibly believe that that govt and powers that be would actually give up their positions of power without a fight to the death. They have everything to lose. Could you think of one civil war has been talked out. I am a military vet that was stationed at ft bragg for many years, traveled to exotic places to "advise" the local populations on how to take back their countries and I can honestly say that "saying please" was never once the advice. In a perfect world yes.... but this wourld aint perfect
the cop is desperate and scared as he should be of the government and its drones,im not going to make any judgment calls about personality for the moment,but the whole thing doesnt seem right.perhaps he over reacted,he was a cop after all, all the news coverage is demonizing his training , this is what the government does, it trains real nasty killers to get a job done and pretty much all the time that backfires because our domestic policies are like our foreign policies now.fall out of line mundane and prepare for the worst. for that reason im having a hard time empethizing with him but you also have to realize its him first and us next.i also want him to get his day in court that is the proper way "law enforcment" should proceed,and for the familiy to have real justice and the truth to come out not mobb justice.
but,
"truth is treason in the empire of lies" -ron paul.
im certain he is trying to expose a truth,and the chain of command is set up like a mafia so its not exactly known for being friendly to whistle blowers ask bradley manning for reporting the shooting of those AP photographers and their rescuers in iraq.
these cops should just let (everything) out if its on the up and up,and make their case.just like alwaliki, they wont.my guess is they will stereo type him and make victoms out of other wistle blowers or anyone with a similar view or just a different one then the main stream.
this is a 16yr olds! ordeal with the fbi over a school report.
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but,
"truth is treason in the empire of lies" -ron paul.
im certain he is trying to expose a truth,and the chain of command is set up like a mafia so its not exactly known for being friendly to whistle blowers ask bradley manning for reporting the shooting of those AP photographers and their rescuers in iraq.
these cops should just let (everything) out if its on the up and up,and make their case.just like alwaliki, they wont.my guess is they will stereo type him and make victoms out of other wistle blowers or anyone with a similar view or just a different one then the main stream.
this is a 16yr olds! ordeal with the fbi over a school report.
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I'm not saying they don't have everything to lose and I'm certainly not suggesting "please".
I'm saying that all wars are talked out in the end. I'm not saying to expect it to be driven there without violence either.
What I do try to express is the fact that killing is the only language we seem to speak in these days.
And the real point is that they will certainly speak louder with all of the eloquence they deny us (body armor, "illegal" weapons, tanks, etc.).
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I do get what you are saying MMM, I also believe killing is the language of the day, But i feel that it has been taught to us by our protectors. I has a daughter that I love beyond all that I would hate to see grow up in a civil war. Along the same lines I hate the thought of my family being subjected to a world where the govt has free rein to buy votes by allowing illegals to stay in our country,stressing an already collapsing system, where there are absolutely no checks for the police and politicians. We are a broke country in all respects and its just getting worse.I am a pacifist as much as anybody, give me a J and some good tunes and Im happy, But you can only be pushed so far before you fall. I also believe that many on the police force when met with true resistance will call it quits and I know many, many in the military will never face off against a just civilian population
Exactly. We need to have everybody wake up. 1,2,3 whole country SNAP OUT OF IT.
Did you know that illegal immigrants pay taxes, without being able to collect on the benefits that normally come with it? True.
They get payroll deductions for state, federal, and Social Security like everybody else, but they don't get a rebate if they earn too low, and they can't collect on Social Security when they're old or disabled. So that's a free gift to the rest of us.
Even the ones who work under the table pay sales tax on everything they buy. Really not much of a free ride, especially considering the nasty work they do.
Also, they're not allowed to vote, are they? So how does this buy votes?
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I'd argue it's been like that for thousands of years.
That's why I said this.
If we don't agree with killing and know that isn't a real purpose then don't.
If we think it is then let's celebrate it because it happens to be our purpose.
Yeah. That's what I thought.
I'm simply sick to my stomach of the talking out of both sides of our mouths.
The idea that killing is wrong but we have to do it doesn't wash with me.
Fighting for peace is fucking for virginity.
It's time people can stand up and say "I like killing and it helps everything." or "Killing isn't helping and we cannot continue."
Either fight for fighting's sake or quit and evolve. I doubt we can go more than one way anymore.
When and if we win a revolution we will probably act like peace is a goal and people shouldn't shoot each other... as a matter of fact I think we tried that before.
Building lies on lies should work. It's done great so far.
This in between shit has got to go.
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Im sorry you feel that way, you seem like a very intelligent person, I notice your quotes- Twain and Thoreau. Great writers. This is a terrible world though and there are alot of very nasty people. If you dont stand up for yourself when the time comes you WILL be eaten. America is being eaten slowly so we dont quiet notice. In a way you may relate, the greatest growth comes after the forest fire
I attest it is a beautiful world as well.
It's the behavior of some that make it ugly.
America is doing it's own eating as well.
The blueprint needs changed.
Period.
It's the behavior of some that make it ugly.
America is doing it's own eating as well.
The blueprint needs changed.
Period.
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We all realize he killed civilians and I dont think any of us agree with what hes done. But the f*ckn cops pushed him to the edge. Like we do with our plants when there's a problem showing on the surface you got to get down to the root cause and the root cause in this case is the cops and gov in this country are corrupt as hell and are the ones that cause shit like this to happen..
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that is a shitty justification for purposefully targeting civilians.
fuck him
he is a coward at heart.
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