future Zamal breeding?

[VanVulpen]

Vanvulpen is a sketchy person. Wouldn't expect much information out of him except pics n hype. But thats my experience..

That's because my english is so horrible... I haven't learn it in school you know but by watching porn and haggling with dealers on the streets that's why describing effects and altered states of mind is a challenge here

Anyway, to answer your questions the Zamal/Thai mother was flowered for a good 15 weeks counting from the moment when the first buds started to take shape, slightly less for the Haze cross but then i haven't grown any of these from clone... The Angolese/ Thai was very flavoured and clearer, i saved some beans by crossing her with Golden Tiger... Didn't grew the Zamaldelica, definately on my wish list but i'm all stocked for now with a whole bunch of Mexicans, Thais and Hazes... Well, that's all for now, keep up the good work guys, best!
VV

 

[dubi]

Thanks for all the recommendations

Zamal x haze and zamal x thai hybrids we did many years ago were the most terrific sativas we ever tried, closest cannabis experience to psychedelic substances.

That's why bred Zamaldelica: Zamal x Malawi/Thai, we think this cross has the potential to offer incredible psychedelic effects and is a great hybrid representation of zamal, with the desired zamal influence but yield and potency increased.

Im not a big fan of S1 landrace seeds, they easily lost the fire of the original landrace cos the heavy inbreeding. I highly doubt we offer this kind of breds.

And please, if you keep original zamal seeds from Gypsy then germinate them as soon as possible! It's a VERY special landrace sativa and it would be sad for the community to lose this line.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dubi again."

i can imagine the zamal x OThaze being quite strongly psychedelic! zamal x nevils haze is the most psychedelic cannabis i have smoked... very curious to try your zamaldelica - i know gerrits mum is good because of the zamal x warlock, but those were too skunky for my liking - always thought it would be great to use her in a 100% sativa hybrid

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

And please, if you keep original zamal seeds from Gypsy then germinate them as soon as possible! It's a VERY special landrace sativa and it would be sad for the community to lose this line.

With an endorsement like that I will be sure to try to pop them soon. Im not sure how old they are, but if a few end up being viable I will do an open pollination and make sure they continue for the future.

 

[swayzak]

future Zamal breeding?

I would really liketo see a somewhat tamed pure zamal line being sold. Just crosses available now.the ones i know are :

mango zamal,
zamaldelica of course,
zamal x haze (growing it now), and
zamal x skunk from female seeds (released 2006 i think)
, zamal x pakistan chitral kush (have 6 seeds from underground seeds release, don't think it's available any more..
Queen mother (supposedto be zamal and congo plus polyhybrid? Not sure. Have 5 of these
I also have about 30 or so beans of a zamalhaze x (sour diesel x (Northern Lights x White widow)) i made several years ago

It is far far away but i have the idea to cross zamal haze with zamal x pck and zamaldelica to see what comes out. Not to mention grow out my cross before the seeds get too old.

I had a serious obsession with zamal, which i attribute to britishhempire's excellent thread on zamalhaze on this site.Thanks BH, if you're out there.

 

[The Hatter]

I would really liketo see a somewhat tamed pure zamal line being sold. Just crosses available now.the ones i know are :

mango zamal,
zamaldelica of course,
zamal x haze (growing it now), and
zamal x skunk from female seeds (released 2006 i think)
, zamal x pakistan chitral kush (have 6 seeds from underground seeds release, don't think it's available any more..
Queen mother (supposedto be zamal and congo plus polyhybrid? Not sure. Have 5 of these
I also have about 30 or so beans of a zamalhaze x (sour diesel x (Northern Lights x White widow)) i made several years ago

It is far far away but i have the idea to cross zamal haze with zamal x pck and zamaldelica to see what comes out. Not to mention grow out my cross before the seeds get too old.

I had a serious obsession with zamal, which i attribute to britishhempire's excellent thread on zamalhaze on this site.Thanks BH, if you're out there.

I hate to ask on an Ace forum but where can one find these wonderful sounding Zamal crosses?

I've already picked up some Zamaldelica seeds, of course, and I plan to get some Mango Zamal if I can find them, but those are the only two I have ever heard of being commercially available.

 

[swayzak]

future Zamal breeding?

I hate to ask on an Ace forum but where can one find these wonderful sounding Zamal crosses?

I've already picked up some Zamaldelica seeds, of course, and I plan to get some Mango Zamal if I can find them, but those are the only two I have ever heard of being commercially available.

Mostly you can't.. The female seeds release was 9 years ago, using Gerrit's cut. He crossed with his warlock as well. I think there was a Pure zamal seeds released on icmag around or prior to the female seeds release. I started hanging out here after overgrow got raided/ shutdown.

The queen mother (reine madre) is not using gerrit's cut, the breeder (mario? Delicatessen) just states it was a la reunion island sativa (where zamal comes from, near africa coast) crossed with congolese strain. Unclear lineage actually, but i think can be found if you look around. (cbg for example)

The zamal x PCK was part of a mix pack (under mix) containing some very cool sativa crosses, namely:

Amnesia x Colombian Gold 1972
Durban SS x Nepal Indica
Zambian x Chitral
Zamal x Chitral
Panamá Red 1974 x Nepal Indica
Reina Madre x Colombian Gold 1972
Panamá CBG x Zambian

Also, i know jahgreenlabel is working on zamalmystik, he says:

I work on a strain-based zamal
the zamalmystik
the line of zamal was colecté to Mafat in the 80
the father is a polyhybride of indica dominant
the cross of its two strain gives aspect sativa plants with a reduced stresh
the smell is fruity / floral
The high is very strong, euphoric and electric, it is followed by a good stone
this line was reproduced on two generation for now
about 12 weeks of flowering

But haven't seen it released yet..

Best of luck Hatter, i think what is currently out there is very good, consider that after the 2006 release, there has been nothing out there until relatively recently. To me that points to a broadening appreciation of the potential it has.

Dubi, apologies on going off ACE topic, i have a lot of respect for your work and hope my notes here are ok with you.

 

[Peacer]

well, ok
can anybody describe difference between mandalas version and Gerrits cut that used a much?
Ive bought three fem. zamaldelicas to give a try and experience more versions

Im not a big fan of S1 landrace seeds, they easily lost the fire of the original landrace cos the heavy inbreeding. I highly doubt we offer this kind of breds.
.

well, so that pure zamal is only at mandala? for a normal people like me without so much connections i mean ..

 

[The Hatter]

well, ok
can anybody describe difference between mandalas version and Gerrits cut that used a much?
Ive bought three fem. zamaldelicas to give a try and experience more versions





well, so that pure zamal is only at mandala? for a normal people like me without so much connections i mean ..

Mandela's Mango Zamal is not pure Zamal. It's a cross between Zamal and a Southern Indian strain. As for the origin of his Zamal genetics, I really don't know. Pure Zamal is very hard to find although I think were you to go to the island you might still be able to find it. Some other strains like those that came out of Angola may simply be lost forever.

It's a bit of a shame that the vast majority of medical/commercial growers use clones rather than producing their own seeds, although I definitely understand why. Unfortunately this tends to lead to a situation where you have one or two really nice cuts going around that everyone grows while the original seed lines are forgotten and lost after a decade or two with no males left to pollinate the surviving clones. Those rare individuals who have the time, space and motivation to keep the old lines alive are doing good work.

If I ever get my hands on some rare land race genetics, I will definitely do everything I can to keep the strain alive by making tons of seeds and handing them out to anybody in the medical community that wants them. Sadly, even if given out freely, most people are not interested in hard to grow old school land race genetics simply because they are a pain in the ass to grow, and they don't produce the generic big chunky hybrid buds that they are accustom to. The two strains that are on my current wish list are pure Zamal, and Angola Red.

 

[kaloupilé]

Hi all !

Thank you Dubi for information.
Fell reaaally free to make a few dozens of zamalxthai and zamalxhaze, I bet they will be sold very fast
I hope you don't mind posting what's following.
Good to hear there's still people interested in zamal !
Here are the strains currently available :

- Zamaldelica - Ace Seeds : Zamal GN x (Malawi x Meao Thai)
- Zamaldelica fem - Ace Seeds : Zamal GN x Malawi

- Mango Zamal - Mandala Seeds : Zamal GN x Lakshmi
I'm pretty sure this one is GN line. Not much reports about mango zamal. The few I have read are not really positive, but only with a couple of plants

- Reina Madre - Original Delicatessen Seeds (Mario Bellandi) : (Spanish Sativa x Zamal) x Congo BCX
Not much of zamal lineage in it given it's been backcrossed several times with congo. Reina Madre (Queen Mother) has just been released, as this strain haven't been available for a long while. It's now coming back with Mario's return. So you have all QM based crosses also (Her Majesty,Alice, Lilly, Upstream...).
Available at cbg/col
RM is well-known and very much appreciated in Spain.


- Zamal x PCK - Underground Seeds - Under Mix : Zamal Mang Karot x Pakistan Chitral Kush. Maybe still available as freebies at cannabisonline/cbg

I grew a few and have currently 4 females starting to flower. Very nice plants ! Beautiful colours for some phenos due to pck influence.

Pheno 1

Pheno 2

Female seeds have been using GN zamal too for its x-lines : Zamal x Skunk ; Skunk Special x Zamal ; Grapefruit x Zamal & Zamal x Neville's Haze. But not available anymore.
Info about Gerrit's cut (GN one, the same that Dubi uses in Zamaldelica) : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=101916

About Zamalmystik, this is the future strain to be released by JGL (Underground Seeds) : Zamal line from mafate crossed to a polyhybrid. Currently selecting the 3rd generation. Another repro and then it will be ready if everything's ok.

Best vibes
Kaloupilé

 

[kaloupilé]

Zamal line in Zamal x PCK Underground : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127856&highlight=zamal+haze

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Does anybody know the approximate indoor flowering time of pure GN Zamal?

 

[Peacer]

thanx a lot


so the seeds are ZamalThai x two males - nevilles haze and tom hills haze

 

[dubi]

Beautiful kaloupilé,

Pakistan Chitral Kush mix really well with almost any sativa, all the crosses we have tried pollinating good african sativas with PCK pollen has been more than successful. Thanks for share yours

 

[Peacer]

wow the zamalmystik looks like the version that is the most practical for us
so is there a chance to get those seeds? when underground collective will release them? i want them

so meanwhile one girl from our country who live in France wrote me about original Zamal seeds...

1) so the seeds she have is from all parts of land, but most from the mountains of Mafate http://www.willgoto.com/1/143923/liens.aspx
2) her native period is all the time 12/12 - so she decide her own when she wants to start flower
3) its autoflowering, but not like catalogue af - slower and bigger (up to 4m) . shes tall as hell
4) it can take all year long from seed to harvest (in native conditions , indoor is another)
5) she needs lot of water, but shes very very mold resistant
6) when she finish , people make her dry at all in the pot or ground - for better high and taste
7) lot of bananas - hermie problems
8) Zamal gave her at 80/80 cm 600g dry material

 

[idiit]

can anybody describe difference between mandalas version and Gerrits cut that used a much?

i ran a few packs of mandala's mango zamal looking for a good male for my "zamalish" female (very zamal leaning pheno out of zamaldelica). the mango zamal had poor vigor ( very slow) as opposed to zamaldelica's extreme vigor. i also saw a very indica leaning profile in all the mango zamals even though it is supposed to be a poly-sat hybrid.

Mango Zamal is a 100% sativa with a pleasurable cerebral high

^breeder's description.

i culled all mango zamals. i s1'd zamalish to be used for breeding purposes.

you can make homemade f's out of original zamaldelica and find heavy zamal leaning pheno's. some will be males, some females as original zamaldelica is reg seed stock.

i'm running od metro gorrilla grows until i get my own land ( search underway now) so it's difficult for me to run very many strains. i'm also paranoid about taking pics due to most of my od gurrilla gardens not making it more than a couple of years before rippers or poo poo nab 'em.

this years zamalish runs will be zamalish/angola red and zamalish/satori (bat pheno). both male strains have good bud structure. the only weakness for cash crop purposes i see for zamal on paper for od runs is small buds and lengthy finishing time. for personal smoke she looks like potential grail as is or in hybrids like zamal/haze, zamal/punto rojo, zamal/angola red, zamal/hog, zamal/acapulco gold, etc.

crippy weed ( reinvigorating a good dutch strain with a landrace) is also very interesting. i've got kandy kush which is a dank trainwreck/og kush with good bud structure, very dank, up electric high which would make an interesting crippy hybrid zamal/kandy kush.

per dubis posts, angola red, zamal, phz all are magnificent in hybrids.

fantastic breeding stock and breeding possibilities being offered by ace.

lots of fun!

 

[swayzak]

future Zamal breeding?

Hi idiit!

That zamalish / angola red sounds delish i have an interesting cross being made, my zamal haze girls have been impregnated with some 501st pollen (rare dankness) (along with Punta rosa, which was the main cross i wanted to make)

 

[idiit]

^^ the whole episode on angola red really sucks for dubi and kahki but we need to go ahead per my view and continue work with this magnificent strain ( angola red).

the malawi and meao thai are also exceptional and offer tremendous opportunities. having all three ( zamal, meao thai and malawi) in one strain (zamaldelica) is a treasure trove of phenos thanks to ace seeds.

i'm a firm believer in taking really good phenos out of killer strains and extrapolating or perhaps "driving" the platform in different directions. zamal looks to be an exceptional candidate. i didn't mention that my zamaldelicas and hybrids off zamalish so far are/were hermie free which is a tremendous attribute for a landrace.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

i ran a few packs of mandala's mango zamal looking for a good male for my "zamalish" female (very zamal leaning pheno out of zamaldelica). the mango zamal had poor vigor ( very slow) as opposed to zamaldelica's extreme vigor. i also saw a very indica leaning profile in all the mango zamals even though it is supposed to be a poly-sat hybrid.

^breeder's description.

i culled all mango zamals. i s1'd zamalish to be used for breeding purposes.

yikes.. what was indica about the mango zamals if you don't mind me asking? There's not much reports of it in the mandala section but the one I did see was pretty good.

 

[420empire]

( zamal, meao thai and malawi) in one strain (zamaldelica) is a treasure trove of phenos thanks to ace seeds. - This sounds to me like a true killa! But if it´s ok i would maybe add Mullumbimby madness, I Haven´t tried it yet so remember i am maybe n´not the right one to ask about how it really affect you, but what I have read and heard this strain should be veeeery good. So i would ad that into the cross,, mayynn can imagien the how big that monsters would turn out to be!! If I was you, I would deff. send some free seeds to kangativa when you are done with the crossing Hope the best for you project bro .