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[TheArchitect]

HOPS, I think it's a tool that can be used to that end but a lot of it depends on how it's used by the individual. You can seek enlightenment or you can fry your brain.

How did you take it, Architect? Smoke it? I've heard lately of some funky variations on delivery method. I've got some chilling in the fridge waiting to be enjoyed, just haven't found the right time yet to kick back with a couple bowls.

Vaporized it on some bud at 170c. My brother did the extraction, it was some great shit barely a tinge of yellow. He's ordered the food grade ingredients now so the next stuff should be better, he wanted to fuck with making the fumarate salt, and I want to use it orally with some harmaline, a reversable maoi.

I am so high right now...I want to know what you guys think of spiritual enlightenment thru psychadelics..cannabis included...like, do you guys believe in a spirit world, a higher power/truth, how did you obtain you state of so called believing, truth knowing, coming to the knowledge of a higher more powerful maybe even divine being?

Are you on a path to spiritual enlightenment and if so, how?

The more I learn the more I realize how little I really know. For me it's a tool for introspection.

I don't see them as a spiritual enlightenment, rather, a loss of ego and profound introspection. They have great power to change your perspective, but to me it's personal and not spiritual.

The loss of ego is exhilarating, it can be a hard pill to swallow an unbiased view of who you are for some people though.

 

[HOPS5K]

Well, just in case, I am indeed on a path to be who I am..not there yet by any means, but if the magic funguys can help, so be it..sometimes we need to lose our ego and just let go of stuff..forget about it...don't mean anything..just for like 5 minutes, think that there is something greater out there that knows our ways more than we know theirs..something like that. Just in the past two weeks, there's been some messed up stuff going on in my town that threw everyone way off track...I feel like, this higher power knows all, is all...I do have friends that I talk to and we've been mulling the idea of just leaving it all behind...letting go as they say...take off and hike somewhere and forget about all this mess that the world is in..we've got 5 that are willing to go and live our lives..money is no issue...housing is no issue..just pack our stuff, get our vehicles and set up shop somewhere else...not like losing contact with people, but just living..simply. It's a great idea, but something has to give...there's a lot at stake now..some of them have relationships and what not, some are single, some are like "that's crazy to just leave"...I don't know, I really don't think the world is coming to an end...it's just that simple..things change, people change...let's just forget the 'world'..cuz the world is totally wrong and messed up about it all...nobody even thinks with their heads...they just do what the 'world' wants them to do..lets just live like the Native Americans..simply.

 

[Jbonez]

You cant separate from your ego, you can only become cognizant of its function.. Ive been trying, and its easier said than done.. The fear model in which the foundation of the ego is built from, is not something that just goes away.. Ive been thinking long on this, what Im afraid of, and it turns out, I have quite a few fears...

 

[unspoken]

Jbonez. In my formative years I experimented quite a bit. I'm going to have to humbly disagree. To me it's short lived, and not something you are able to be "present in" or aware of. It's more of something you become aware of after it happens.

 

[TheArchitect]

You cant separate from your ego, you can only become cognizant of its function.. Ive been trying, and its easier said than done.. The fear model in which the foundation of the ego is built from, is not something that just goes away.. Ive been thinking long on this, what Im afraid of, and it turns out, I have quite a few fears...

Your right, you can't separate from your ego, but you can silence it.

The fear, well, my only real fear is death. Not the dying, but missing the living.

Jbonez. In my formative years I experimented quite a bit. I'm going to have to humbly disagree. To me it's short lived, and not something you are able to be "present in" or aware of. It's more of something you become aware of after it happens.

Yep, when the trip is over, and your back to earth pondering what you experienced, you'll realize the waves of emotion, and thought processes you had were only capable if the your defense mechanism is down. Many times a strong dose is necessary to breakthrough, especially for our personality types.

The ego acts according to the reality principle; i.e. it seeks to please the id’s drive in realistic ways that will benefit in the long term rather than bring grief.[15] At the same time, Freud concedes that as the ego "attempts to mediate between id and reality, it is often obliged to cloak the Ucs. [Unconscious] commands of the id with its own Pcs. [Preconscious] rationalizations, to conceal the id's conflicts with reality, to profess ... to be taking notice of reality even when the id has remained rigid and unyielding."[16]
The ego comprises the organized part of the personality structure that includes defensive, perceptual, intellectual-cognitive, and executive functions. Conscious awareness resides in the ego, although not all of the operations of the ego are conscious. Originally, Freud used the word ego to mean a sense of self, but later revised it to mean a set of psychic functions such as judgment, tolerance, reality testing, control, planning, defense, synthesis of information, intellectual functioning, and memory.[1] The ego separates out what is real. It helps us to organize our thoughts and make sense of them and the world around us.[1]"The ego is that part of the id which has been modified by the direct influence of the external world.... The ego represents what may be called reason and common sense, in contrast to the id, which contains the passions ... in its relation to the id it is like a man on horseback, who has to hold in check the superior strength of the horse; with this difference, that the rider tries to do so with his own strength, while the ego uses borrowed forces."[17] Still worse, "it serves three severe masters ... the external world, the super-ego and the id."[16] Its task is to find a balance between primitive drives and reality while satisfying the id and super-ego. Its main concern is with the individual's safety and allows some of the id's desires to be expressed, but only when consequences of these actions are marginal. "Thus the ego, driven by the id, confined by the super-ego, repulsed by reality, struggles ... [in] bringing about harmony among the forces and influences working in and upon it," and readily "breaks out in anxiety — realistic anxiety regarding the external world, moral anxiety regarding the super-ego, and neurotic anxiety regarding the strength of the passions in the id."[18] It has to do its best to suit all three, thus is constantly feeling hemmed by the danger of causing discontent on two other sides. It is said, however, that the ego seems to be more loyal to the id, preferring to gloss over the finer details of reality to minimize conflicts while pretending to have a regard for reality. But the super-ego is constantly watching every one of the ego's moves and punishes it with feelings of guilt, anxiety, and inferiority.
To overcome this the ego employs defense mechanisms. The defense mechanisms are not done so directly or consciously. They lessen the tension by covering up our impulses that are threatening.[19] Ego defense mechanisms are often used by the ego when id behavior conflicts with reality and either society's morals, norms, and taboos or the individual's expectations as a result of the internalization of these morals, norms, and their taboos.
Denial, displacement, intellectualisation, fantasy, compensation, projection, rationalization, reaction formation, regression, repression, and sublimation were the defense mechanisms Freud identified. However, his daughter Anna Freud clarified and identified the concepts of undoing, suppression, dissociation, idealization, identification, introjection, inversion, somatisation, splitting, and substitution.


"The ego is not sharply separated from the id; its lower portion merges into it.... But the repressed merges into the id as well, and is merely a part of it. The repressed is only cut off sharply from the ego by the resistances of repression; it can communicate with the ego through the id." (Sigmund Freud, 1923)
In a diagram of the Structural and Topographical Models of Mind, the ego is depicted to be half in the consciousness, while a quarter is in the preconscious and the other quarter lies in the unconscious.
In modern English, ego has many meanings. It could mean one’s self-esteem; an inflated sense of self-worth; the conscious-thinking self;[20] or in philosophical terms, one’s self. Ego development is known as the development of multiple processes, cognitive function, defenses, and interpersonal skills or to early adolescence when ego processes are emerged.[15]

 

[Jbonez]

Jbonez. In my formative years I experimented quite a bit. I'm going to have to humbly disagree. To me it's short lived, and not something you are able to be "present in" or aware of. It's more of something you become aware of after it happens.

Interesting, I think I understand what you are saying.. Just sounds kinda like wisdom by trial and error.. lol.. Perhaps thats merely the silencing of the ego over a perceived time.

 

[diggdugg]

Conventional Reserves is what we've been running off for 100 years. These are sand and limestone formations. They are very porous. Basically you poke a hole in them and they produce product because of their porosity. You can "open hole produce".

When you poke a hole in shale it won't do shit. Nothing comes out. It's not porous. The oil and gas is locked into a very "tight" formation. That's why you have to blow it up with water and chemicals. You "frack" it to release the hydrocarbons.

When fracking operators will use whatever water is available, but it has to be salt water because fresh water causes shale to swell which will stick your pipe while drilling or if you make it that far swell the hole shut when you frack.

So companies are taking fresh water from aquifers used to grow crops and such. Putting salt and chemicals into it and fracking formations.

A possible solution to this is to get water from the ocean which is already salinated and frack, but the you are talking massive transportation costs because of the amount of water needed to frack wells. Not so much for South Texas plays but as you move inland the costs would be massive. Which means massive prices at the pump.

Shale oil is a whole new world from conventional reserves. And oil shale (tar sands and such, very different from shale oil) requires very high oil prices to be economically viable.

China is pumping anyone then can to give them some black stuff to keep up their uber Keynesian dream going. You think we are bad? hehe They build entire cities that no one lives in. Because according to Neo-Keynesian (and that's what all this really is, Keynes is rolling over in his grave right now) any economic activity is "good " economic activity. Be it WAR or building empty cities.

Hey Gramps, I hate to pull out a qoute from the start of the thread. I was wondering why saltwater was not being used for fracking. Now I read that they do use salt water. Out here where I live we are sitting on vast amounts of underground saltwater but the oil people all want fresh water to frack with. This has everyone concerned as fresh water is VERY scarce out here. Maybe the salinity is too high in the saltwater here for fracking?
From the things we are hearing this new play out here will be the largest in the world with something like 400 billion barrels available. Have you heard of the "Cline" shale play? Also, I'd like to know how I would get a company to look at drilling on my property. What do you do, just call a landman? I would hate to get screwed, but if I have to see, hear and deal with all that stuff next door I might as well try and get involved while it's hot huh?

 

[SpasticGramps]

Operators want complete control of the chemical makeup of the water so they start with fresh water. Kind of like starting with RO in your grow.

You can use salt water from the ocean and underground saltwater, but you'll loose some production. I've heard from 4-15%.

If you are in a hot zone most of the time the landman will come to you. You can try and call one though. Don't take less than a 3/16 lease (18.75% mineral royalty) and find out what leases are going for around the area before you make the deal.

 

[unspoken]

Interesting, I think I understand what you are saying.. Just sounds kinda like wisdom by trial and error.. lol.. Perhaps thats merely the silencing of the ego over a perceived time.

Yeah, you could look at it that way I guess. All wisdom comes from trial and error though, right? When I have experienced what I can only describe as ego loss I would not even self identify as human at that moment. Then afterwards comes the "what I was in that moment vs. what I am in reality." That includes a long hard look at what I am in "reality."

 

[Jbonez]

Yeah, you could look at it that way I guess. All wisdom comes from trial and error though, right? When I have experienced what I can only describe as ego loss I would not even self identify as human at that moment. Then afterwards comes the "what I was in that moment vs. what I am in reality." That includes a long hard look at what I am in "reality."

Whats creepy is I know exactly what you are talking about..

 

[johnipedestran]

Yeah, you could look at it that way I guess. All wisdom comes from trial and error though, right? When I have experienced what I can only describe as ego loss I would not even self identify as human at that moment. Then afterwards comes the "what I was in that moment vs. what I am in reality." That includes a long hard look at what I am in "reality."

Funny, my wife has an innate ability to identify what I am in reality. And when that happens, no, she does not seem human.

peace
jip

 

[diggdugg]

Thanks, Gramps!

 

[unspoken]

Funny, my wife has an innate ability to identify what I am in reality. And when that happens, no, she does not seem human.

peace
jip

I know the feeling.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Thanks, Gramps!

No problem. Another thing I would do before signing your mineral rights to lease is get a lawyer to look over the deal and find out if the company has any pending litigation against it for screwing land owners over on royalties from production.

Some companies like Murphy are known for it. In other words don't take the deal until you do your own due diligence. If they want your mineral rights you have the leverage (up to a point). Use it wisely.

 

[SpasticGramps]

New question it stimulate your minds.

Should human nature.......

A) Be perfected

B) Be obeyed

Discuss.....

 

[SeaMaiden]

New question it stimulate your minds.

Should human nature.......

A) Be perfected

B) Be obeyed

Discuss.....

None of the above. First, define perfected/perfection.

Second, if we were to obey it, we would descend into a state of anarchy. We would go back to the Dark Ages. I prefer a little more logic and reason in my life.

Human nature must be abided. Abode? My spellcheck doesn't like that word.

 

[Jbonez]

C) Be more closely observed..

We are no different than weve ever been, if it wasnt capitalism it was a monarchy.. Same shit..

We cant escape what we are..

Take food away from 10 people long enough and you will see our true nature.. We are dogs.. Tho we have the intellectual edge until food runs out lol....

 

[DevilMist]

D) Be abandoned.

Just a thought.

Devil

 

[Jbonez]

D) Be abandoned.

Just a thought.

Devil

And we so love thinkers around these parts.....

Interesting perspective..

Its not possible to pull the greedy ones from their piles.. They are in love with their abundance and the perception of comfort it brings..

How will you sway them? Im all for a collective mentality for the betterment of our genome.. Its the point I thought...

 

[SpasticGramps]

The question and it's answer basically defines if you are an idealist or realist.

Realist believe that human nature must be obeyed. That we are inherently animalistic, have natural faults that must be observed, and rules made to constrain ourselves. This school of thought believes that humans have changed little over the thousands of years. These are the capitalist. Aryan Rand, Adam Smith, Francis Bacon, etc.

Idealist believe that human nature can be perfected. They are the utopians. Better known as the unconstrained view. Closely associated with communism. They believe human nature is constantly evolving and can be changed.

I strongly believe in obeying our nature. Like JB said, one only needs to go to Somolia or some failed impoverished state to see the true state of human nature. It isn't pretty.