Perennial / Bi -Perennial Cannabis (Myth /Facts)?

[bigherb]

Firstly im not sure if this is the right forum an in a quick search I havnt found a thread at IC on the topic


This is a topic i find very interesting ,I have read old post when i first joined where some of the senior cats spoke of equatorials such as colombians an some thai's / nepalese growing for several years . Soo if a cannabis plants grows in the wild for several years is it considered Perennial or Bi perennial ?

I have heard many times Cannais is an annual plant but it been stated by many folk in the past an recent cannbis flowers more than one season or 12 months

I didnt want to take a thread off topic but recent post brought this spark of interest to me once again .THe post below which i referred to i think add to the convo

SeaMaiden

I read a guy a few years ago who was growing out Vietnamese Black. Showed a photo of it next to his 2-story house. It was over-topping the house! It was actually very beautiful, looked a lot like a Japanese maple... but BETTER. He had put it out the previous March and that December it was still nowhere nearly finished. I have a friend who's a breeder and he's told me some Sativas take two years to finish flowering.

Dirtboy808

What you want does't re-veg. They grow through the normal season. I got seeds from some guys in Kona who had a 14 month strain. I got seeds and started them in Oct and to stunt them and 1 did but 2 grew through and the next Oct they were 20ft tall and just starting to bud. Pot was not leagel back then and Green Harvest got them.So I know they are out there good luck on finding some. Aloha

Id love to hear all opinions im especially curious as to Breeders opinions hwo have traveled such as Sams /Bodhi /Shanti


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[huarmiquilla]

howdy bigherb

how you do?

respect

with respect to title and at how to category am difficult for translate such thinks
annual indeed within traditional thinks with respect to form to being cannabis

cannabis chaos....hehehe

one perspective
cannabis vary within environment with respect to at how to title with distinction to preference
such variance within cannabis
variety, specimen, such and such

you are to mention environment much near equator
indeed absent within such environment cold winter

am keen to think select cannabis survive such winter wild
with respect to survive more seasons perhap human care
am keen to think with proper selection within adequate environment indeed for remain traditional annual to grow and display similar to perennial

such distinction am not keen to choice

am read cannabis perhap form to being short perennial within tropics
such tropics form to being himilaya mountain

one perspective
indeed chaos within distinction with respect to title such thinks....hehehe

am keen to thinks with respect to ability within cannabis rather such title to distinction such ability

change to be form within consistancy
cannabis similar....hehehe

respect
lovely chat

positive vibrations

 

[northernfrost1]

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[bigherb]

Sup Brother

Much Respect

I agree environment plays a huge factor an it seems some mentioned varities on the subject have been equatorial or somewhere near the area .BUt Nepali is not far from it an that is one area reported several times


As many things have been suggested an not proven such as the birth place of cannabis an cannabis possibly having been a perennial in the past an becoming annual with evolution / spreading the globe .We know the climate has changed drastically threw history im not sure if that could have played a in the plant possibly evolving

BUt what i want to say is that is all subjective but the plant is growing now around the globe an 20ft nepali growing 2 years are spoke of an folk are claiming that plants are growing more than one season .

Soo my question can we claasify them as Bi perennial or perennial ?


1luvbigherb

 

[CalcioErba2004]

The plant is designed to start and end its life in one season. Most of the equitorial sativas with very long flowering times are usually the ones that last 2 or more seasons. This is too small of a percentage of the whole population to start classifying cannabis as a biennial or perennial.

 

[bodymind]

hey bigherb, it's a good question but I personally don't think that cannabis could be classified as a perennial. Those long, long flowering stains could be thought of as biennial, but no cannabis out there could really be thought of as a perennial. A perennial flowers and comes back into vegative growth then flowers again year after year. The cannabis plants structure just isn't really set up to do the perennial thing - its flowers cover the branches and then will pretty much have to rot off in order for new vegative growth to flush out and when it does this it's a random mess of branches and half -rotten flowers. True perennials are much more tidy in the way they've evolved to flower.

I do think that one of those super duper long flowering cannabis plants could be coaxed into living 3, maybe even 4, years, but that is with conscientious human care and a good environment in which to do so. However, I don't think that would be enough to classify it as a true perennial.

Maybe if it was grafted on a hops vine rootstock......

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy bigherb
howdy CalcioErba

how you do?

lovely thinks
respect

with respect to at how to classify am not keen to such title to distinction
such distinction to limit scope to form to being cannabis

indeed one perspective bias with much subjective....hehehe
chaos indeed within variety
lovely chaos
respect

pardon am not dismiss you question, rather am unique bias one perspective
am difficult for title, such nature to being unique....hehehe

with respect to nepali cannabis, am not experience with such
am speculate with respect to cannabis much hardy
indeed cannabis survive within extreme winter environment
within such varience to spectrum at how cannabis survive within unique environment....hehehe
chaos

vintage quote with respect to sams refer nepali such and such topic
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=82155&page=4&highlight=perennial

yes, no
both

hehehe

depend with perspective at who to ask

am both yes, no
chaos
hehehe
respect

howdy bodymind

how you do?

lovely thinks
am tickled pink
respect

positive vibrations

 

[bigherb]

I appreciate the response / opinions

I understand what is the classification but somethings dont add up IMO an i think things change sometimes things get reclassified an set straight .

But i believe the opposite an i think if this trait /genetic display is present in specific strains /genetics it should be noted an properly classified .Why shouldnt it be its something special an the common strain flower 2-3 months let alone 2-3 years . I think biennial should be considered as a term to some types of cannabis

I think its kinda interesting that when these post where put up by bluebeard Sams responded but Didnt touch the perennial comments an later the Haze post but that for another thread . Bluebeard spoke as if he was personally familiar with perennials

Look at these post below some may remember Bluebeard i only conversed with him briefly as i was just learning an listening more than asking

Bluebeard

I see threads where professional breeders and respected growers are culling plants from haze populations because they failed to initiate flowering when the grower wanted them to, saying that the plants never flower. No, they do flower, they just take patience. If you want to see the real deal equatorials and perennia phenos, you have to be patient like everyone else. And by culling the perennial phenos from a haze population you are removing the most desirable phenos from the population, that came from landrace lines which were used in the breeding of the haze for a very important reason, and would not have been included to begin with had they not been worth the wait. Let me tell you they are. I have never seen a perennial cannabis plant that was not worth the wait. I would gladly walk over 20 lbs of cali kush to grab 4 ounces off a haze plant which took 12 months + of 12/12 to mature


Have you ever smoked a perennial colombian, or a real keralian? Even with all of the imported genetics the diversity of what is available in california pales in comparison to southern india, northern india or colombia, and doesn't even have as long of a history of growing and breeding as the southeast, so explain to me why should california growers consider the state to be the center of the ganjaverse?

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

huarmiquilla

That is a great quote from Sams ,I recall seeing it before .


His knowledge is vast ,but i wouldnt take i as gospel .IM harded head tho lol

Though its true i dont recall seeing pics to come along with the claims but several reports have been posted threw the years

Bluebeard

Like Eddie shoestring , I will remain skeptical, but I won't say it is impossible. I have seen tropical perennials, which arent capable of reemerging from roots but do grow for multiple years and reveg with no fuctuation in light cycle

1luvbigherb

 

[13user]

Food for thought.I personally have kept plants in veg for months.I also know growers who have kept mother plants in veg.state for years.Lets not forget cannabis can be reveged after completing this so called life cycle.plants can be very tricky to classify.Good luck in your search for knowledge.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

If an annual plant from a temperate region of China spread to equatorial regions, I could easily see it evolving to extend its growth period to take advantage of the relative lack of seasons. This would require little genetic change and not enough to shift into another category. We try to design classification systems with crisp boundaries but Nature cares little for the lines we try to draw and befuddles us with fuzzy edges.

Where there are killing winters a plant that grows, flowers, seeds, and enters senescence when the cold arrives would be your classic annual. Stretching the whole affair out longer because the cold never arrives doesn't change that sequence of grow, flower, seed, die.

A true biennial plant has a different life strategy. Examples of biennials would be carrots and mullein. Unlike cannabis, biennials store energy reserves in a starchy root. This allows them to spend the first year accumulating food reserves. The above ground portion of the plant dies back but the underground portion is still alive safe and sound underground through the harshness of winter. With those stored food reserves, come Spring the plant can show an explosion of growth to create a tall flowering structure with plenty of time and energy to create a nice batch of seeds before the second winter.

So these two growth patterns of plants;

Annual; germinate from seed, grow a flowering structure, pollination, seed, death.

Biennial; germinate, grow a fleshy taproot and vegetative structure, winter dormancy, Spring growth into a flowering form, pollination, seed, death.

 

[Rjrom90]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_plant

 

[bigherb]

Well if that Wikipedia definition holds any weight there are things too consider .

There have been reports that cannabis plants live more than 2 years . The second paragraph is interesting saying a perennial can be treated in a milder climate as a annual

1luvbigherb

 

[stickshift]

The plant is designed to start and end its life in one season. Most of the equitorial sativas with very long flowering times are usually the ones that last 2 or more seasons. This is too small of a percentage of the whole population to start classifying cannabis as a biennial or perennial.

Most of Canna's relatives were/are classed as perennial, Man has played with canna's light schedules.. do you think it was always an annual? why do plants reveg? we have designed to suit our needs!

 

[stickshift]

Well if that Wikipedia definition holds any weight there are things too consider .

There have been reports that cannabis plants live more than 2 years . The second paragraph is interesting saying a perennial can be treated in a milder climate as a annual

1luvbigherb

Many that have grown in sub tropical/tropical conditions report longer flowering periods and then slow growth before spring than they start over... a highly adaptive plant it would seem.

 

[crazyfool*]

I´ve had colombians that went up to 24 weeks of flowering and were still shooting pistils.... I live in Brasil, when the seedlings first went to the ground, I thought " well since I live in a tropical country, this should be peace of cake " .... well, it wasnt..kkkk I believe some individuals need a good vegetative development before ready to be flowered, and many times flowering period comes before this maturity, causing this determined fenomenon, but I wouldn´t call it a rule, becaus from what I´ve seen, its more about individiual plants then a whole variaty.... I mean some pure haze, finish in 14-16 weeks....some go to 22...24 weeks... same with equatorial sativas, generaly you can harvst after 18-22 weeks ( outdoors ) but some individuals can take these numbes up to the extreme....

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Most of Canna's relatives were/are classed as perennial, Man has played with canna's light schedules.. do you think it was always an annual? why do plants reveg? we have designed to suit our needs!

I am not saying it isn't capable of doing it, this planet is constantly evolving and changing; what I am saying is that in our recorded history of nature, the plant's life cycle lasts one season making it an annual.


Hops is related to cannabis and is a perennial. But they are related like you and your 3rd cousins are related.

 

[stickshift]

I am not saying it isn't capable of doing it, this planet is constantly evolving and changing; what I am saying is that in our recorded history of nature, the plant's life cycle lasts one season making it an annual.


Hops is related to cannabis and is a perennial. But they are related like you and your 3rd cousins are related.

I agree that it is now classed and acts annual, I wonder if that was always the case though, if canna started life in sub tropical areas like South Asia, it would of had more hours for winter etc

 

[CalcioErba2004]

I agree that it is now classed and acts annual, I wonder if that was always the case though, if canna started life in sub tropical areas like South Asia, it would of had more hours for winter etc

It could possibly have been at one point...

 

[canned abyss1]

I don't think it can be considered perennial even if it survives multiple years. If it gets cut down at the base new growth will not grow from the root stock, only if some nodes are left will new growth come about, this would also happen if the plant got frozen, new growth would not happen not even at the nodes, in a perennial this is not the case. These long flowering plants are essentially revegging themselves. I have a pheno of golden tiger that won't flower properly under 12/12, it needs an 11/13 schedule to flower properly. Under 12/12 it starts to flower then eventually parts of it start to reveg. If I cut it down to the stump it will not grow new vegetation. This and the fact that some plants can take 180 or more to flower can make them appear perennial.