DrFever your picture shows exactly what defoliation is trying to achieve. That is to achieve more colas. By removing the fan leaves you cause the lower branches to develop into more top colas. If I am not mistaken that is what your first picture shows, more top colas. In addition it also tends to stop the stretch at the top. Your picture shows extensive pruning of the bottom to achieve more top colas. It appears to me that you agree with removing some of the plant to train it to what you want in a final product..
Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on
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Here is 3.5 zips of Katsu Bubba kush...
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What is interesting is that I got that from one plant, of which I can fit 8 around my 600w light comfortably.. This translates to about 1.12 gpw..
Even more interesting is the dry weight on the ChemD which is shaping up to be at least 4-5 zips.. This translates to about 1.49 gpw.
Im calling it, defoliation in veg primarily owns, while I do pull leaves in bloom, starting after the stretch and over the course of a week pulling all the rest..
I attribute alot of this to the vertical philosophy of growing, simply kills..
What is interesting is that I got that from one plant, of which I can fit 8 around my 600w light comfortably.. This translates to about 1.12 gpw..
Even more interesting is the dry weight on the ChemD which is shaping up to be at least 4-5 zips.. This translates to about 1.49 gpw.
Im calling it, defoliation in veg primarily owns, while I do pull leaves in bloom, starting after the stretch and over the course of a week pulling all the rest..
I attribute alot of this to the vertical philosophy of growing, simply kills..
so what your saying is that a nug from the bottom of my bubba plant is not as potent as the bud from the top???
It may be a bigger nug but no way is it more potent.... so the top nugs have 18 % THC the bottom have 15%hehe
More resin production not higher THC content....more medicene not better
Yes that is what i am exactly saying don;t get me wrong most strains we purchase Seeds etc have a THC content that was tested.
Again in a dialed in room with top end growers just cause your strain says its 18 percent doesn;t mean your going to hit that 18 percent how many growers struggle to achieve what the strain says for yield per meter square. we all sit here checking our buds with our walmart special lens lol , when these guys are checking under 10,000 micro scopes and possibly testing buds daily to reach peak thc production, before it starts to break down
Think about it for a second bigger bud more trichs, and resin production then a smaller bud ??? would you not think that of course it would probably hold more THC percentage then a lower under developed bud would ???
Hello Crane bud yea i prune heavy always under my canopy as i hold lots of leaf on main i use the tuck leaf method for top i don't waste my time with lower bud development cause at the end of the day its all about yield , size of nugs and quality
I think it all depends on skill set, strain as well as grower experience, how room is designed etc c02 non c02 power usage etc for instance my last grow 12 plant scrog 3 k lighting yielded me 7 pounds 3.5 0z dry which is 3276 dry grams 273 dry grams per plant 9 .73 oz per plant.
Horizontal lighting with only bottom leaf and sucker bud removal.
I think most growers have to get away from thinking defoilating in veg as well in flower yes prune yes selective possible de leafing
but over the years i learnt its not the bud sites on a plant its the internoding on them bud sites as well as having all buds uniformed that is what gives you overall weight not not having tons of bud sites with little to know weight on them
even with my lower leaf and sucker bud removal i still have a solid 8 " of excessive leafs on my canopy
But at the end of the day it all comes down to yield i am solid on my way of growing no need to change nothing i am happy, for others this they just have to find they perfect way of growing until they get results there happy with either vertical or horizontal
Vap nice looking nugs there cheers doc
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Dont be fooled, Im good at what I do only because of this^^^
Id not try and convince anyone that 1.5gpw is the norm, rather a result of LOTS of reading and experience.. But IS achievable..
You hitting 1.12 overhead blows my mind, but it shows what experience contributes to the grow.. Bravo.. This is what Freds is trying to teach people, that there is in fact a magic secret to huge yields, and quality herb.. EXPERIENCE!!!
I think we are on the same page..
EDIT: The internode consists of a grow tip that typical wraps around the main stem as it grows throughout flower, where as the larger more "advanced" budsites will become more like "mini colas" in their own respect, rather than climbing the stalk. Does that make sense? Im high as hell atm...
Where can I get a bale of that? Is it like straw $3.
Very nice indeed Vap i don't keep many pictures from long ago grows, but here was one 2000 watts one mh and one hps non c02 68 plants kush strain 6 pounds
i see your dry i think more or less like me after 4 days or so place buds in a bag press out air and let it sweat for like 6 - 8 hrs then back on screens for 24 hrs and your done
i see your dry i think more or less like me after 4 days or so place buds in a bag press out air and let it sweat for like 6 - 8 hrs then back on screens for 24 hrs and your done
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Nice man, I'm trying that on a bunch that I just threw into the flower space. I vegged them too long and they got nice and lanky. Trying to see if what these defoliate guys are saying slows down the vertical like I need. 
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When this happens you can drop a bulb down along the side and they will fill in with new shoots. You could also take the fan leaves up top and leave them down low and the lower shoots will fill in will the top get tighter node spacing. But this will make the lower shoots lanky as well if you don't lower the bulb.
This is what I have going on now, these pics are from today.
More of a science experiment for me than anything at this point, thanks for the tip
That is a pretty severe defoliation for just going into flower. Next time you may want to give them a week or two to recover before putting them back into flower. But since you are experimenting let it rip. If they are ten week strains it is not as bad as if they are eight week strains.
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Who dat i seriously think your plants are going to take a long while to recover i sure hope you got others on the go as well. lol almost cried when i saw your pictures
IMO i think them plants are going to hurt for yield, but here is my whole take on this matter and growing as well,
Its a must to know your strain characteristics i mean few grows are needed to understand what they do, and how to combine everything into your grow space,
Now with the word DEFOILATING in VEG or Flower ????
with every MJ plant where there is a leaf a shoot will form above that's is a given
now some swear by it that it fills plant out and makes it bushy i won;t deny it but going this route really slows the plant down so beware if your plans are to remove leafs in flower wait till middle of your flowering period and slowly start pruning leafs no matter what buds will still form below that again is a given.
I think defoilating in veg and running vert might have its good things but again more veg time is needed, we need to allow the new shoots to grow and have internodes under them or really your going to have one real small bud .
Plants stretching in flower phase ????? For some its a good thing for others its a nightmare, maintaining a good canopy is of course KEY to a good harvest some things i do, and you should to ??? we all know the first 2 - 3 weeks of transition phase to flower plants will want to stretch.
if you have a set day of going into flower then slowly lower light hrs from 18/6 to like 14 on 10 hrs off week before then flip to 12 / 12 on your day this does help ,
lowering your lights is another good way to stop stretch phase just make sure you got good air movement between bulb and plants
and most importantly super crop i can;t stress this enough i crop 2 weeks into 12 /12 and this alone will not only stop stretch phase but,
You can get up to 3 buds per that one bud site you have going like in picture look at this pic that is from cropping until bud sets
low stress training combating height issues works great also
IMO i think them plants are going to hurt for yield, but here is my whole take on this matter and growing as well,
Its a must to know your strain characteristics i mean few grows are needed to understand what they do, and how to combine everything into your grow space,
Now with the word DEFOILATING in VEG or Flower ????
with every MJ plant where there is a leaf a shoot will form above that's is a given
now some swear by it that it fills plant out and makes it bushy i won;t deny it but going this route really slows the plant down so beware if your plans are to remove leafs in flower wait till middle of your flowering period and slowly start pruning leafs no matter what buds will still form below that again is a given.
I think defoilating in veg and running vert might have its good things but again more veg time is needed, we need to allow the new shoots to grow and have internodes under them or really your going to have one real small bud .
Plants stretching in flower phase ????? For some its a good thing for others its a nightmare, maintaining a good canopy is of course KEY to a good harvest some things i do, and you should to ??? we all know the first 2 - 3 weeks of transition phase to flower plants will want to stretch.
if you have a set day of going into flower then slowly lower light hrs from 18/6 to like 14 on 10 hrs off week before then flip to 12 / 12 on your day this does help ,
lowering your lights is another good way to stop stretch phase just make sure you got good air movement between bulb and plants
and most importantly super crop i can;t stress this enough i crop 2 weeks into 12 /12 and this alone will not only stop stretch phase but,
You can get up to 3 buds per that one bud site you have going like in picture look at this pic that is from cropping until bud sets
low stress training combating height issues works great also
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But are you actually getting anything different from that one bud site aside from perhaps aesthetics?
1 big bud vs. 3 smaller buds.
I used to strip hard at the day of flip to 12/12..and then another strip off all flower sites (not necessarily leaves) at day 14 of anything that would ultimately be larf/popcorn. The result was massive colas.. (but more prone to mold), easy to trim, but did not necessarily equate to more yield.
I'm all for it.. as my respiratory issues wont allow me to play with hash making material, and I'd just prefer dense nice nuggets.
I do however see a lot of people around here taking damn near every fan leaf... they look to report good yields, but their gardens very sparse to me.. with lots of gaps, etc. Now.. maybe I'm notorious for over filling my spaces, but is all of that not bag worthy stuff.. extra or is it your yield just in the form of larf...that is what I want to know.
Meaning if I hit 7lbs (sold, out the door)..and then have a bunch of "extra" shit that I haven't even bothered to trim/mess with. I give it to those in need and/or pick at it slowly for my own consumption.
Does the same garden defoliated net me the same 7lbs minus all of the shit worthy of the hash pile anyways.
1 big bud vs. 3 smaller buds.
I used to strip hard at the day of flip to 12/12..and then another strip off all flower sites (not necessarily leaves) at day 14 of anything that would ultimately be larf/popcorn. The result was massive colas.. (but more prone to mold), easy to trim, but did not necessarily equate to more yield.
I'm all for it.. as my respiratory issues wont allow me to play with hash making material, and I'd just prefer dense nice nuggets.
I do however see a lot of people around here taking damn near every fan leaf... they look to report good yields, but their gardens very sparse to me.. with lots of gaps, etc. Now.. maybe I'm notorious for over filling my spaces, but is all of that not bag worthy stuff.. extra or is it your yield just in the form of larf...that is what I want to know.
Meaning if I hit 7lbs (sold, out the door)..and then have a bunch of "extra" shit that I haven't even bothered to trim/mess with. I give it to those in need and/or pick at it slowly for my own consumption.
Does the same garden defoliated net me the same 7lbs minus all of the shit worthy of the hash pile anyways.
Dr. Fever, I certainly know what you are saying and I completely agree with you. As I said earlier this is more of a science experiment for me. I knew this would stress them and I wanted to see how they would react. These were some clones that were neglected and not taken care of properly. I don't really have the heart to throw them out after having them around for so long, hence running them anyways. The exception being the headband and triple diesel that are in there as I have ran them and love them both. The other half of my room looks like this and will be coming down shortly.
I have more to replace them after they are pulled. I do thank you for your input as I'm certain there are many seeing those pictures thinking the same thing. I have slowly and progressively taken fans from the "real" plants at a way more sane rate over the past two or so weeks.
I have more to replace them after they are pulled. I do thank you for your input as I'm certain there are many seeing those pictures thinking the same thing. I have slowly and progressively taken fans from the "real" plants at a way more sane rate over the past two or so weeks.
