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Living organic soil from start through recycling
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yeah, well i use ClackamasCootz, it's a great resource to gather information with a dose of comedy here and there to keep it interesting!
Nigerian x BMR @ 50 days~ This cycle was only given seed enzyme teas and one kelp/fish combo in mid-flower...brought to fruition with no-till ROLS...quite a lovely aroma from this...
think_fast
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Sourcing Ingredients in Canada
Sourcing Ingredients in Canada
TweetyBrid,
http://www.welcomeharvestfarm.com/
Welcome Harvest Farm runs out of British Columbia. They have a wide selection of ingredients, take orders over the phone (small and large) and have distributors across the country. 100% organic. Obviously.
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/lumpdatabase/lumpbag75.htm
Also, your local Canadian Tire will have some excellent hardwood char. The link above is a review of the brand they carry. Considered top notch. They will also have lava rock.
http://meekersmagicmix.com/
Your local Home Hardware store can order any number of bags of this fish compost.
And if you're having any trouble sourcing worms in Ontario just PM me. But only if you're really having trouble, as my source is a fairly fooking rip off.
Good luck!
Sourcing Ingredients in Canada
TweetyBrid,
http://www.welcomeharvestfarm.com/
Welcome Harvest Farm runs out of British Columbia. They have a wide selection of ingredients, take orders over the phone (small and large) and have distributors across the country. 100% organic. Obviously.
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/lumpdatabase/lumpbag75.htm
Also, your local Canadian Tire will have some excellent hardwood char. The link above is a review of the brand they carry. Considered top notch. They will also have lava rock.
http://meekersmagicmix.com/
Your local Home Hardware store can order any number of bags of this fish compost.
And if you're having any trouble sourcing worms in Ontario just PM me. But only if you're really having trouble, as my source is a fairly fooking rip off.
Good luck!
From Cornell University: Resource Guide for Organic Insect & Disease Management
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I'm in Canada...the west
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Soil soak - all day long. Each and every study I've seen on using materials high in cytokinins and gibberellins (GAs) has been about using them as part of a watering cycle.
CC
Soil soak - all day long. Each and every study I've seen on using materials high in cytokinins and gibberellins (GAs) has been about using them as part of a watering cycle.
CC
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YosemiteSam
Microbeman...just to make sure I got this somewhat correct. Bacteria are high N creatures and when protazoa eat them they make that N plant available...right?
But there has to be N available for the bacteria? And only one species can take in atmospheric N...those azobacwhatevers. That means you still have to provide an N source for the other bacteria...right?
But if you do that in the tea you are basically feeding plenty of high N bacteria to the soil and plenty of protazoa to eat them and make that N available?
You still need some N source in the soil to keep feeding them and having them multiply...right?
Am I anywhere close?
But there has to be N available for the bacteria? And only one species can take in atmospheric N...those azobacwhatevers. That means you still have to provide an N source for the other bacteria...right?
But if you do that in the tea you are basically feeding plenty of high N bacteria to the soil and plenty of protazoa to eat them and make that N available?
You still need some N source in the soil to keep feeding them and having them multiply...right?
Am I anywhere close?
YS i would guess that since w typically amend w neem and fish bone meal which both provide N along w using alfalfa meal/teas that N would be available from those sources as well as from the fungal teas
W89 reading through the thread you should find these guys talking about spraying leaves w aloe and agsil along w some teas of such as lavender and others
the seed sprout rinses can be foliar sprayed as well
W89 reading through the thread you should find these guys talking about spraying leaves w aloe and agsil along w some teas of such as lavender and others
the seed sprout rinses can be foliar sprayed as well
I think I might just buy an aloe plant instead of the gel or would you say a gel is better? like this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PURE-ORGA...Health_Beauty_Skincare_PP&hash=item27cb29277a
Look for organic freeze-dried aloe vera juice out of Australia which is the 3rd largest producer of aloe vera products behind China and Mexico.
When you figure everything out the powder costs about 20% per gallon vs. liquid products.
When you figure everything out the powder costs about 20% per gallon vs. liquid products.
gregor_mendel
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W89
When I started reading this thread, I ran out and bought a bunch of half price aloe plants at my local nursery.
My experience is that is takes a lot of leaf (fillet) to get the amounts CC is recommending for root drench or foliar feed. Mind you, I am only running a few 600 watt gardens. Since I live in Colorado, it must live inside in the winter. In the long run, unless you live a climate where it can live outside all year, or can dedicate a lot of sun room or greenhouse space, the live plant method is not the way to go. I am within days of starting my first round of ROLS, not yet recycled, of course, and I will use all the aloe plant I have left for initial watering a foliar feed. Next stop: CCs recommended source for freeze dried aloe. That won't help you across the pond, though.
When I started reading this thread, I ran out and bought a bunch of half price aloe plants at my local nursery.
My experience is that is takes a lot of leaf (fillet) to get the amounts CC is recommending for root drench or foliar feed. Mind you, I am only running a few 600 watt gardens. Since I live in Colorado, it must live inside in the winter. In the long run, unless you live a climate where it can live outside all year, or can dedicate a lot of sun room or greenhouse space, the live plant method is not the way to go. I am within days of starting my first round of ROLS, not yet recycled, of course, and I will use all the aloe plant I have left for initial watering a foliar feed. Next stop: CCs recommended source for freeze dried aloe. That won't help you across the pond, though.
think_fast
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Some ideas - Alfalfa early in flower for nutrient boost as well as to reduce internodal spacing. Neem oil weekly for pest management. A silica source such as Pro-Tekt or Agsil16 for cell structure reinforcement (i.e. pest defense). Aloe Vera for its numerous benefits.
I think this list goes on and on. Somebody orrect me if I'm wrong here but I think you can spray your plants with most anything you typically put into your soil (minus aeration amendments of course) as long as you do this in moderation.
This thread is deep, but if you search some of the suggestions I've mentioned you should be able to find correct application rates. "A few times a day" of foliar feeding is probably excessive love. Perhaps a few times a week is more than enough. Your kids though. Just saying.
Well something like that. There are probably many species of bacteria/archaea which can fix atmospheric nitrogen but one which is mostly popularized.
Let's drop the N and just say nutrients. It could be that more N as opposed to other nutrients are delivered through predation but there certainly are other macro & micronutrients made available this way. Bear in mind that this is one way of nutrient uptake and nature has several back-ups.
Consider that the soil is holding sequestered nutrients bound to organic matter (and clay particles) by a chemo/electrical charge which is described by CEC (cation exchange capacity). When some of those nutrients are released into the soil solution it is released via exudes or organic acids exuded by either roots or bacteria/archaea (I'll use bacteria). These acids (eg. carbonic, citric, malate, oxolate, etc) create hydrogen molecules which cause the release (exchange) of the desired nutrient into solution. In the case where the bacteria has consumed the nutrient and it is later, itself consumed by a protozoa then the protozoa uses only 30 to 40% of that energy and the remaining 60 to 70% is expelled as ionic form nutrient availble to the root.
It appears that this method of uptaking the desired nutrient is more 'economically' viable for the plant. Rather than expending its precious resources to mineralize (release) these nutrients the bacteria and protozoa pull it off for her. There is evidence that the plant can begin the whole process by exuding carbon to attract and feed the type of bacteria needed for the job. Upon being fed this carbon the bacteria multiply like crazy and then start feeding on the surrounding organic matter (as described) which then causes protozoa to multiply like crazy.... (It's like I get you stoned and give you a piece of chocolate, you get the munchies and pig out on bread or kraft dinner
)There are studies indicating that this is the predominant way that many plants (like annuals) uptake nutrients and I believe you are correct in stating primarily nitrogen.
In the case of ACT, you have been feeding the bacteria over the period of the brew and they have multiplied. The food comes from both the [vermi]compost you used and feedstock. If there are also flagellates and/or naked amoebae (protozoa) in the ACT then you will have nutrient cycling going on as described above and when applied to the soil you will be providing some nutrients into the soil solution immediately available to the roots.
Additionally, many of those microorganisms may go dormant or die, contributing to the soil storehouse or some may continue to floursh, depending on the needs of the soil. If there is hyphae in your ACT it may continue to grow, binding soil particles and creating aggregate, providing moisture and air retention, microbial pathways, microbial food and contribute to degradation of organic matter into a form accessible to other organisms.
That is my take. I apologize if I made errors or missed anything. This was written hurredly.
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