Controlling nitrogen (N) with general-purpose coco A+B nutes

[toohighmf]

the calc.

the calc.

the calc is not to be followed! lol! seriously. not all the products work w all mediums either. I start the first week at 100 and I usually peak to 250 on heavy feeding indicas. you really need to try low and work your way up til you see "back offs" then drop 50 ppms from there and you should be fine.

smell the flowers:
If you buy 3 part, use it like GH and add Big Bud Powder and a bottle of overdrive. your set. If you have any other stuff like cal mag+,liquid karma, use that. theres no rules that says you gotta use all AN. I personally use a mix of AN, botanicare, House n garden and GH.

Do you have enough of your old base nutrient to do a test run? use your preffered base, and try a can of big bud and overdrive. I sell the stuff really cheap too. advanced nutrients superstore .com / index.cfm youd be surprised how affordable it can be.

 

[Kenny Lingus]

NUTES MAKE ME NUTS!

NUTES MAKE ME NUTS!

I would NOT mess with the ratio of A to B when using 2-part nutrients. It's farr better adding pk-boost and adjust range that way.

When it comes to blending different brands I've had fine results this far. Just keeping the base-line within one brand and everyrhing should work out fine.


Well well, must say I prefer keeping it within the series when I drip feed and rely on some grade of automation. I have a heap of nutrients and boosters for my beloved plants and I should be able to use them instead of buying new all the time... I have all kind of leftovers and "set asides". There are different local organics, Bio Sevia, GHE 3part, Bio Bizz, Biocanna, Canna Coco, No Mercy and AN. -Hehehe! Them plants even drink more expensive stuff than the Blue Label Johnny Walker and Auchentoshan up at my whisky shelf.

All but Canna Terra, Biocanna and biosevia has been fine for me, either hydro or soil...

I'm only a personal grower (and a bit of a botanical nerd I guess). Right now I flower under 600HPS, running 4 coco-slabs and a few potted plants in a Homebox/Hydrohut XL. Slabs are dripped to waste or recycled... (Both has been very fine).

I have ran the full Canna range and also used some organics additives and inoculators, but now I'm about to try a whole range of AN-stuff.
Not sure whether I dare change the base nutrients for my drip-rig yet. But as I do have most of the plus-program and even a few more of their additives already I will probably try it side by side with canna on 2 potted clones (if I don't get crazy mixing all the products in such a small ammount...)

For this next grow I have both coco and cogr slabs, but I'll go with the coco's once more at least...

The reason I'm unsure about switching base are several, but mostly because I haven't gotten my hand on the fulvic and humic from AN and Canna does already contain this at o,5%.


BTW Here is the Canna Coco Profile

Canna Coco A + B

N: 5 (0.1 NH4 + 5,0 NO3)
P: 4 (P2O5)
K: 3 (K2O)

Ca:5,0 - Mg:2,0 - S:0,8

B:0,007 - Cu:0,001 - Fe:0,02 + 0,0003 (DTDA + EDDTA) - Mn:0,01 - Mo:0,002 - Zn 0,007
Fulvic and humic acid: 0,5

The elements in their COGr range were similar, but lower in humic/fulvic and contained traces of Si as well. The COGr Buffer Agent is basically 8% N and alot of Ca and Mg + trace elements, humic acids and pH-buffering agents. It is also separated in grow and bloom formula.
(Vega:5-2-4 Flores:3-3-7)
NB! COGr slabs are unbuffered and coarser than coco slabs

-From what I saw in AN's advancedepedia the Monkey Juice has a few more chelated forms of Iron and a couple of other micros. There are also more diverse forms of nitrogen, Mg, Ca, and other essential elements in the Monkey Juice cocktail.
Monkey Juice - Grow: 6-2-3 / Bloom: 5-4-4


I'm really excited to test this advanced range as my friends are reporting better (or new) taste and some are even proving it for me too. Besides... I do love the organic approach on hydroponics.

 

[knna]

As i promised, i tried to use half A than B through my last grow, just harvested.

[Edited: no interest at all]

 

[blaze02]

bump. I dont feel like this thread came to a conclusion.

Anybody doing this with their nutes? Im inspired by the h3ad formula, as he cuts all micro from week 4-5 through flush, using only flora bloom at 9ml.

I want to create a nute regimen that majorly reduces all mobile nutrients (N, Mg,S,) by week 5 flower--except for p&k. I would add a calcium supp (calplex) and possibly some micros by using earth juice elements micro (no N) since micros and calcium are immobile in the plant.

I want to try this with canna aqua flores b which is 0-4-4. I would use gh florabloom, but it has more magnesium and sulfur (both mobile and unneeded in high amounts late in flower IMO) than i want. Also, the canna has no dyes, and tests very clean on the washington state heavy metal analysis test for fertilizers.

Anybody do this?? foresee and problems? Interested in any opinions...

 

[blaze02]

nobody does this?

Besides finishing a heavy yeilding plant with the best possible taste, it seems like a good way to save money on fertilizer...


*****has anbody fed straight pk boost for the last 4 weeks with no micros?

Do plants really use micro nutes at the end half of flowering or just the first half??

 

[Snow Crash]

I suggest taking a strong look at CNS17 Coco/Soil.

Grow: 3-1-2 2.5%Ca 0.5%Mg
Bloom: 2-2-3 1.5%Ca 0.5%Mg
Ripe: 1-5-4 0%Ca 0.5%Mg

As a One-Part system it is really well balanced for Cannabis in Coco. You don't have to do much figuring, just follow the labels. They will provide the basic high N in veg, balance in early flowering, and PK dominance for the last 3-4 weeks of feeding prior to the flush. I actually use their ratios and feeding strength to tailor other nutrient programs to better mimic this one. Like using a few ml 5-4-3 Canna A+B with the appropriate number of grams of 1-17-38 Big Bud dry and maybe a ml or two of 0-10-6 Hydroplex for the later on PK boost. As long as the guaranteed minimum ppm's for each element are within about the same strength and ratio as the suggested levels for the CNS17 system I find no issues. But, with all things being equal, I'd rather use Grow, Bloom, and Ripe than A+B, Big Bud, and Hydroplex, for the sake of the simplicity.

 

[blaze02]

I suggest taking a strong look at CNS17 Coco/Soil.

Grow: 3-1-2 2.5%Ca 0.5%Mg
Bloom: 2-2-3 1.5%Ca 0.5%Mg
Ripe: 1-5-4 0%Ca 0.5%Mg

As a One-Part system it is really well balanced for Cannabis in Coco. You don't have to do much figuring, just follow the labels. They will provide the basic high N in veg, balance in early flowering, and PK dominance for the last 3-4 weeks of feeding prior to the flush. I actually use their ratios and feeding strength to tailor other nutrient programs to better mimic this one. Like using a few ml 5-4-3 Canna A+B with the appropriate number of grams of 1-17-38 Big Bud dry and maybe a ml or two of 0-10-6 Hydroplex for the later on PK boost. As long as the guaranteed minimum ppm's for each element are within about the same strength and ratio as the suggested levels for the CNS17 system I find no issues. But, with all things being equal, I'd rather use Grow, Bloom, and Ripe than A+B, Big Bud, and Hydroplex, for the sake of the simplicity.

word. Ive actually dabbled with the cns lineup, but didnt get enough nitro fade..maybe if i cut back 50% and add a pk boost.

i will experiment with either florabloom only, or canna b flores 0-4-4 or maybe both and update the thread with my findings...