Are big facilities going to put basement grower at unemployment?

[monsoon]

I think a lot of people that live in med states tend to forget what the rest of us are going through. Some of us are still out here growing behind enemy lines with very real consequences if we are caught. You won't hear me complaining about legalization that is for sure.

And I think the folks forget that many of us in the med states were growing LONG before there were any med laws/etc and KNOW FULL WELL what it is like to grow under such fear.

On top of that, folks need to realize that above and beyond the small possession/grows we are allowed IN OUR RESIDENCES, there are REAL (Felony) penalties for larger grows/weights and ANY sales, and those penalties did NOT change with the new law.

Blowing it up here or blowing it up wherever you are now are roughly the same things in the eyes of the law.

Don't be fooled. "Legalization" here has many limits.

 

[komboloi]

So we've got people on here in favor of the War on Drugs because it's good for business? Wow.

I've been growing for 36 years, all under the threat of arrest. The goal all along has been legalization so we wouldn't have to grow under that threat.

Now I can't believe that some people oppose legalization.

Illegality =

1. People go to jail. Or otherwise have their lives ruined. This is real.
2. Peoples' grows are restricted in their optimality by the stealth requirement.
3. MMJ patients pay a higher price than they otherwise would.

Legality =

1. No one goes to jail. Think about what that means to individual families.
2. Your grow can be whatever you want it to be. You can breed the best, select the best, and grow the best with optimal conditions and without fear of being busted.
3. MMJ patients get their medicine at a reasonable price.

I'm sorry if legalization causes short-term dislocations for cash-croppers who have been relying on the artificially high prices brought about by the War on Drugs and can't adapt. But we shouldn't continue the War on Drugs just because some growers are unable to adapt should we? What about the rest of us? The small time med patients? The recreational aficionado? I'm more concerned about them--much more numerous--than I am about the cash-croppers.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I don't think there would be limitless legality free of restrictions.

On the contrary, I think we would be corralled into whatever makes more money for whoever controls the industry...
at the cost of quality and personal growing freedoms.

I've exhausted myself on the subject in another thread not to be named here...
I'll pipe down and wait for people to rush legalization right past and over freedom...
Then I'll say I told you so.

 

[eyes]

Think about growing food cause thats the next commodity. Milk prices threat of increases from 3.50 to 7.00 is a fair warning as to how things could go from bad to worse. The steady increase in food prices should motivate us to put our garden skills to other uses besides herb. I like the herbs as much as anyone on these boards, but for survival purposes, vegetables are where its at for me.

 

[Weird]

So we've got people on here in favor of the War on Drugs because it's good for business? Wow.

you are fabricating an argument for the sake of being right

no one wants cultivation to remain illegal, no one wants to continue the war on drugs

they simply don't want (as the thread title implies) big business to marginalize the existing market segment, which took the risk to make the market viable in the first place

I've been growing for 36 years, all under the threat of arrest. The goal all along has been legalization so we wouldn't have to grow under that threat.

thanks for sharing

Now I can't believe that some people oppose legalization.

Illegality =

1. People go to jail. Or otherwise have their lives ruined. This is real.
2. Peoples' grows are restricted in their optimality by the stealth requirement.
3. MMJ patients pay a higher price than they otherwise would.

1. people will still go to jail if they dont meet regulations or work within guidelines

2. well another side of the coin is more smaller gardens will empower middle and lower class economies more directly than a few bigger gardens by the people who have the resource to do so


3. they can simply grow their own, isnt that what you do since you obviously dont sell but been growing illegally for 36 years ? how come big pharma can bankrupt people or shut them out of a cure for a dollar but the small time local mom and pop pot farmer aren't entitled to any?

Legality =

1. No one goes to jail. Think about what that means to individual families.
2. Your grow can be whatever you want it to be. You can breed the best, select the best, and grow the best with optimal conditions and without fear of being busted.
3. MMJ patients get their medicine at a reasonable price.

1. people will still go to jail

2. under guidelines and restrictions at a cost that will based on the corporate controlled market will favor big business

3. in a big business model they will get lower quality medicine at a the same RELATIVE cost, they will pay less for less with no way to reconcile with the producer. in the small garden model the local medicinal user will have local caregivers vying competing in a local market with personal accountability

in one model the rich white dues on super yachts in malta stand to gain in the other the people who have been fighting the war both user and producer

I'm sorry if legalization causes short-term dislocations for cash-croppers who have been relying on the artificially high prices brought about by the War on Drugs and can't adapt. But we shouldn't continue the War on Drugs just because some growers are unable to adapt should we? What about the rest of us? The small time med patients? The recreational aficionado? I'm more concerned about them--much more numerous--than I am about the cash-croppers.

this is not an argument against legalization its an question about the threat of big business pushing out small business

if you have been growing illegally for 36 years for wahtever reasons you have why do you begrudge those who do it for different reasons if you simply want it to be legal? why do you have an agenda that supports unfettered commercialization?

why do we have to rob peter to pay paul for legality to take place?

 

[BasementGrower]

weed prices will plummet .. unless u have great herb.. other that TOP GRADE A shit .. others will have problems unloading there units. i can guarentee it.. so just learn more. do more and harvest more good pot and ur alset.

 

[komboloi]

So you oppose the legality of cannabis? Amazing.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

weed prices will plummet .. unless u have great herb.. other that TOP GRADE A shit .. others will have problems unloading there units. i can guarentee it.. so just learn more. do more and harvest more good pot and ur alset.

Not necessarily... I'm not sure people are aware of how this government does things...


WASHINGTON, Dec. 31, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The International Dairy Foods Association (IDFA) stated today that the legislation proposed by Congressional Agriculture Committee leaders would still cause a problem in the marketplace because it includes a controversial new program designed to limit the milk supply. That proposal, championed by Representative Collin Peterson (D-MN) yet resisted by consumer groups, food manufacturers and many dairy farmers, is known as the Dairy Security Act (DSA) and would require the government to intervene in milk markets to manipulate the supply of milk in order to keep milk prices artificially high.
PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1xPdD)

 

[mean mr.mustard]

So you oppose the legality of cannabis? Amazing.

What is amazing to me is how and who you respond to in this thread.

 

[Green Supreme]

Nope, good quality will always be needed, so we will continue to grow our own. Peace GS

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Huge warehouse grows are harder to control, the basement growers will always have better quality buds with fewer bugs and less chemical crap sprayed on them.

Legalizing opens the door for big companies to produce large quantity of crap, much like Budwiser, or Miller.

But the small grower can still find a niche market for superb quality small batch "microbrew" if you will, smoke.

 

[944s2]

Nope, good quality will always be needed, so we will continue to grow our own. Peace GS

hiya,,as the united kingdom will [imho] eventually follow the us,,i totally believe that those of us who grow the best medicine will remain unaffected,, as no big buisness can give the love,care, and level of quality to be able to better my medicine,,my people wouldnt contemplate buying other stuff,,with me they know what they are getting and what goes into it,,so fuck the big companys i carry on regardless,,peace and regards s2

 

[LubdaNugs]

I know I'll continue to produce my own, just like I'll continue to brew my own beer.

 

[dagnabit]

What U think of big facilities growing tones of cannabis each year to provide the dispensary, clubs or whatever? Seems like soon they will be plenty of those huge "medical marijuana" growers in the USA. Lets face it, soon or later it will probably be legalize in the whole USA. I have a feeling when this day come, a lot of mid-classes grower will regret!

given the choice between the penitentiary or a regulatory violation?
no regret here.

It is obvious that big companies such as MERCK or MONSANTO will get in the game.

only after federal deregulation

They supported props 19 and it seems that a few of those big names are pushing to legalization.

evidence?

I can imagine their lobbies going to push new rules and laws, make it quiet impossible for the mid-classes people to be a "medical marijuana" grower. Seems like they are indeed going to make it legal, yes, but not for the mid-classes to profit from it!

based on what?

this entire thing is speculation and rectal examination...

 

[dagnabit]

i see it as a different..approach
there not putting me out of bizniz....
there offering me a JOB....

^
that

six figures full bennies and a nice profit sharing incentive plan.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

this entire thing is speculation and rectal examination...

I thought it felt a little uncomfortable.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

given the choice between the penitentiary or a regulatory violation?
no regret here.



only after federal deregulation

evidence?

based on what?

this entire thing is speculation and rectal examination...

U bring evidence that Monsanto is not being props 19 and that lobbies doesn't rule shit in usa. Else u can always use google...

 

[Kush_Master]

Hey jah sup bro!

What if not? What if it become illegal to grow home? I can imagine them showing in the news houses that have burned down due to a basement grow? wow if a baby die in it its over for legal home grow And we back to square one, but now we have to fight big corporation and pigslol

where Im from it already IS illegal.
so thats an absolute nonsense argument.

why is everyone worried about monsanti and merck? are they controlling the beer/wine market right now? whats stopping anyone to continue growing their normal genetics LEGALLY how can it get worse if its legal? all I see is ppl worried about their profit margins and scared to compete in a free market. short sighted and very self-centered thinking.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

On the contrary, I'm concerned for posterity.

If you don't understand why just google Monsanto.

Imagine it still would be just as illegal to grow your own but some soulless corporation who views you as a decimal is
funding the Feds to chew you up and feed you to the machine, and at the same time clean up any shreds of competition...
All the while growing legally...
Now imagine why on Earth they would let us steal their market.

A lot of people may not realize what rushing just any legislation with a LEGAL stamp on it could do.

Again... I'm not against legalization. I'm simply saying if you take whatever you get you end up getting whatever.
I've noticed that fuckery seems to benefit those in power.

I'm saying let's get some shit straight before we send it to the hill.

PS Ever since Prohibition ended moonshiners are still at risk of prison.

 

[CANNABEST]

I think, it will def affect not all but most growers. only the ones with shit dial in, best products and have solid connect will survive. newbies and closet growers don't stand a chance. the green gold rush is coming to an end. but I heard the cooking rush (breaking bad) IS picking up.