Is there such a thing as a "good" Blueberry?

[siftedunity]

$150, for what:

-his skill
-his time
-his selection

second you have possibility to keep a clone forever

third you can make limitless seed from one pack

fourth you can never buy a pack again if you clone / breed them


I guarantee you look in your garage and see what's laying around that you paid more then $150 for.. these plants can be grown for the rest of your life, you tell me what entertainment can do that for $150


there's two people in life, positive and negative.. what side you want to be on?

there was actually a study done on "lucky" people. he took people who thought they were lucky / unlucky, gave them a newspaper and asked them to count the pictures... well the "lucky" people get the answer in a few seconds, the unlucky.. 2 minutes... YOUR VIEW CHANGES YOUR WHOLE REALITY... be optimistic and feel lucky you have such a great breeder who sells his seeds at all

id agree with you if you could really get that life time cut for 150. but the chances are you wont.

maybe a breeder should not sell it as blueberry if there are so few blueberry plants in it?
or perhaps if a breeder sells seed which require long selection, in bigger packs or lower the price to refect that?

in all fairness, there are seed packs where you can spend £40 and get very uniform offspring which 100% persent reflect the breeders description. are we really asking to much from a breeder to put some love towards the grower instead of extra cash in his pocket?

i like dj short but selection isnt the only issue with his seeds, its hermies, mutants, germination rates.. and tbh i think the price should reflect that.
this is why theres so many threads on where to get decent bb... no one wants to buy his beans at that price.

 

[growhi]

id agree with you if you could really get that life time cut for 150. but the chances are you wont.

maybe a breeder should not sell it as blueberry if there are so few blueberry plants in it?
or perhaps if a breeder sells seed which require long selection, in bigger packs or lower the price to refect that?

in all fairness, there are seed packs where you can spend £40 and get very uniform offspring which 100% persent reflect the breeders description. are we really asking to much from a breeder to put some love towards the grower instead of extra cash in his pocket?

i like dj short but selection isnt the only issue with his seeds, its hermies, mutants, germination rates.. and tbh i think the price should reflect that.
this is why theres so many threads on where to get decent bb... no one wants to buy his beans at that price.

dj could of course inbreed everything f8 f10 f11 hell it could be a f30 in the years since release , but me personally id rather have it at f4 f3 with tried and tested parents old parents !

still a bit pricey though !

 

[FOE20]

On Sagars Blue Ive only smoked it 1 or 2x at most n never grown it personally but my bros have a few times..it to me was more like a inbetween BB and Moonshine type..but not as much like Flo or F13 types?...
It really is a rough game on these lines anymore..
DJ made um yea but he was screwed outa selection at the main seed co's he worked at to start...Then after the move it really did change..not sure if it was the loss of the parent lines or the place he was in...But soon as the "New" selection thing started it went funky...
IMO what happened was it started with a very Blue pool...
There used to be a Blue mom and dad..the male was said to be very special as the original BBerry mother...
So then the mom is lost but that male hung around for a min...and all of a sudden there was new hybs to and guessin bout the SOL times it really changed...Cause boutthat same time we heard of this new selection thing goin on..then TTB comes outa the woodwork and a New ver of "Orig BBerry".....
So Sagar was a base pool selection..as was DP....and you really thnk those Sed co's picked the weakest plants>..cause IME the best BBerry phenoms usually are a total bitch to manage..
Sagars seemed a lil closer to wild Blues still...DP not so much but a good selection none the less...
I had a big ole BBerry thrad her once that really laid it out...
but this is a easy view..well its my interpretation of DJs work history..which shows a bit of it..
and the work flow used in the creation of Blue lines which the base chart was done by MrA or ElevatorMan....
All in all you guys are right..Its not a great rep of what the strain was to start...and it should be reflected or least better communicated to his followers who most are very dedicated but mainly to those old lines we wana really see again.....ya can't hand me a apply if its a orange ya know...
Also I question the whole concept of Stretch Indica...but thats another story...

Far as other blues to almost forgot....
Outkast Bberry,,now thats got a great rep if ya can find her...
DJ BBerry cut is avail in Cali at a few clubs...
as is Dabney Ive heard is hangin in So Cal..
Oregon has plenty to offer...if you can find the right doors..keep hunting!
FOE20

 

[JOJO420]

Is there such a thing as a blueberry backcross or stabilized line that has the taste, the smell, the high, but also some good yield?

ABSOLUTELY!! why of course, otherwise this strain would have fallen by the wayside. If you are asking if you can BUY instantly what you are asking for, well that's another question.
Most of the super dank blueberry I have seen has been lovingly grown and cultivated for years by the holder of the seed. Yes, they got it from either DJ or Dutch passion, but put YEARS of work into it. That means growing endless seeds and doing selection to improve your line.
You will find what your looking for in the blueberry line, you will..
I sure did..... sugar coated blueberry muffins , yumm yummm!!!

 

[Wacky Tobacky]

i was gifted an oz of skywalker which is BB x Mazar. could def tell there was Blue berry in there. had a great high.

 

[Cabron]

i was gifted an oz of skywalker which is BB x Mazar. could def tell there was Blue berry in there. had a great high.

really ???

That's funny because Skywalker is an OG Kush and has zero blueberry in it ..

That whole Bb X Mazar story is utter Bullshit !

 

[sal opette]

Hey carbon

No bullshit, skywalker was a Dutch passion line which was available until recently. I don't know how long the US skywalker clone olny has been around, Dutch passion released their Skywalker in the late 90's I think.

Personally I'd look for a blueberryxafghan - afghans can have berry flavours - BB f1s are usually far more vigorous and eaiser to look after.

It says a lot of this strain, that somany people are after a good one!

 

[OLDproLg]

Holy info LOAD!!!!!

DANK grow shots of killer blue types!!!
THANX FOE those charts are awsome to see finally...
SO,DP was not to far after all from origan!
im telling ya,i got this DP pack not dirrect but from another site selling original packs?
Witch they didnt send for a long while,then i threatened to go online about it.
So they came threw and this pack had a wide variety of pheno's!
i had the family pool close enough with color genes to extreme blueberry sweet pie tastes,trichome LOADED bitches i made f2's and sold of CW long ago,but they were mostly strait indica types...
Wish i would have worked on them more?
GREAT THREAD everyone!

 

[hurdy gurdy man]

id agree with you if you could really get that life time cut for 150. but the chances are you wont.

maybe a breeder should not sell it as blueberry if there are so few blueberry plants in it?
or perhaps if a breeder sells seed which require long selection, in bigger packs or lower the price to refect that?

in all fairness, there are seed packs where you can spend £40 and get very uniform offspring which 100% persent reflect the breeders description. are we really asking to much from a breeder to put some love towards the grower instead of extra cash in his pocket?

i like dj short but selection isnt the only issue with his seeds, its hermies, mutants, germination rates.. and tbh i think the price should reflect that.
this is why theres so many threads on where to get decent bb... no one wants to buy his beans at that price.

EXACTLY!!! If one needs to grow out a hundred beans to get 'the cut', is it really accurate to sell them as a strain with predictable results? One could simply grow out a hundred seeds from mixed bagseed batches and get a 'Blueberry'; this being an expected outcome resulting from basic concepts of genetics such as recessive/dominant traits, and variations among sub-species.

I have read DJS's book, as well as others regarding cannabis breeding, and it appears that there is still no solid knowledge regarding recessive and dominant traits in breeding within the cannabis culture. With the quality of genetics available since the introduction of the indica sub-species, in conjunction with indoor growing and cross breeding with sativa strains, ANYONE can create kick-ass crosses in his/her attic or basement.

If you grow out seeds from Paradise, for example, you may as well be growing out clones, all of which are A++ in quality, since their strains are so stable. If you were to cross, for example, Durga Mata (indica) with Belladonna (sativa), you will end up with thousands of grade A++ seeds to work with for a lifetime. Furthermore, I assert that a strain made in your own home and growing environment will show hybrid vigor and be perfectly adapted to your personal growing situation, which is oftentimes at least as good as the original seed stock from the breeder.

I know many disagree with me, and will defend the professional breeders to the end. I'm not saying that professional breeders don't serve a valuable purpose. They certainly do. I am saying that they are hit-and-miss, working with large numbers of seed stock, and are not doing anything the grower of average intelligence and skill couldn't do on his own, given the time and resources. The very least one should be able to expect, when buying seeds, is that a few in every pack, at a minimum, have the right stuff. It's the predictability that you are paying for.

 

[habeeb]

I agree with you.

The point I was making is that it seems from what I've been hearing and reading for years, folks aren't getting what they are expecting when they grow DJS's seeds, and that makes them unhappy. These types of reviews are the reason I wouldn't gamble on his product.

well the question needs to be answered.

what are the expecting, and what mindset are they in, expecting this..



I read once, and who knows if it's true or not, but it doesn't matter as it might as well be, they said Jesus said, "it's like casting pearls upon swine" ...

 

[habeeb]

EXACTLY!!! If one needs to grow out a hundred beans to get 'the cut', is it really accurate to sell them as a strain with predictable results? One could simply grow out a hundred seeds from mixed bagseed batches and get a 'Blueberry'; this being an expected outcome resulting from basic concepts of genetics such as recessive/dominant traits, and variations among sub-species.

who says you need to grow hundreds of beans to find a good plant? and what makes you take this person's words, yours?

DJ himself states there should be 4 females in a pack, 2 better then the others. I never heard him say it takes more then one pack. DJ has talked of ratios, but that is when discussing breeding ( the part he has already done )



the best thing you can do is just support who you want at the end of the day, there is one breeder that fits you more then the others, and then roll with that , it's that simple.. DJ works for me, should it for everyone, hell no. I think the problem with the internet is people have turned off there instincts / intuition and following there heart for listening to others opinions, and not themselves. look at my words under my 'name' ,

follow YOUR heart

 

[hush]

This is easily the most active thread I have ever created here, so thanks everyone for contributing!

I do want to reiterate that I have no problems with DJ's genetics or breeding practices. As I said in my first post, I found a fantastic specimen in my one and only pack that I ever grew out, which was in the late 90s. It simply didn't yield very well so I didn't keep her. But the high, smell, and taste were phenomenal, and here I am 15 or so years later wishing I could find it again... It's just that, I would still not be able to keep her around if she didn't yield well, because I have limited space and I require medicine daily, so I can't allow myself to run out.

DJs offerings absolutely do appear to be intended for people looking for amazing, connoisseur quality cannabis, and I dig that, but I was curious how many projects are out there that have taken his connoisseur quality and tried stabilizing it a bit further, possibly providing a bit more yield in the end on more of the phenotypes.

And this thread has FAR exceeded my expectations! I've already gotten some suggestions and ideas, I now have people in Oregon looking for specific named clones, that sort of thing. I highly respect DJ, and the other cats he works with, like Chimera, whose genetics I plan on working with eventually.

So, thank you, everyone for making this thread such a treasure trove of useful information! Wheels are spinning in my head now!

 

[hush]

Also, I would like to point out that I am currently growing one of Mandala's new feminized offerings, Far Out, which I chose because they used Blueberry in this cross. It's Colombian/Haze x Blueberry.

I wish I knew more details the Blueberry they are using in their gene pool, but I don't. All I can say is it definitely reminds me of that Blueberry I grew all those years ago, in terms of the bud structure, and calyx to leaf ratio. And just yesterday, at day 29 of flowering, she introduced me to her aroma, which is very fruity/berry, and reminds me of the breakfast cereal Fruity Pebbles. Here's a few pics of her from yesterday:

 

[SneakySneaky]

I've got a very stable blueberry, not available in seed form just yet. A friend of mine gave me his '94 blueberry. It's super stable, solid producer, and tastes like blueberry candy. This baby is bout to be pollinated by my (Apollo 11 x Sputnik pinky) male. I can't stress how solid this blueberry is, truly a unique gem in the blueberry world, I've never seen another blueberry that was like it. It's more indica than most blueberries, but it still packs a helluva punch.

 

[E.C. Organics]

who says you need to grow hundreds of beans to find a good plant? and what makes you take this person's words, yours?

Pretty much everyone in his forum. There are 3 gigantic threads of bad germ rates and no blueberry complaints from people popping multiple packs who have a very good rep here.

 

[siftedunity]

Pretty much everyone in his forum. There are 3 gigantic threads of bad germ rates and no blueberry complaints from people popping multiple packs who have a very good rep here.

yup that is the general consensus people are not pissed with dj's breeding, they are pissed with the seeds/recent stock. you cant argue with how many unhappy people there are. even i know people who have popped them to get females turning herm half way through flower.

i believe personally that most strains can be stabilised and i think you should get a couple of keepers or at least one keeper per pack for that price. but thats jmo

 

[NotSoNewbie]

IME its very easy to find blueberry smelling plants in hybrids

Its a breeding plant not a growing plant at this point. It has lost its vigor. As so many of the dutch company in bred lines that came before it did. Americans like to believe that the dutch are bad breeders or something but that's just what seems to happen over time to in bred lines.

 

[SooperSmurph]

The problem is not with the breeders, but rather how their products are handled, stored, and passed on to the customer.

Very simple and basic efforts are required to properly store seeds, and very few people, including the proprietors of this forum's main bank, take the time to do that with every batch of seeds that comes in.

Store seeds in a low humidity environment at 0C, surrounded with organic brown rice or another form of desiccants to absorb moisture which finds its way near the seeds, you don't have to mix the seeds into the desiccants, you can pack the seed containers / breeder packs in your chosen material and it works just as well, yet almost no one takes the time to do it, or if they do, it's only with newer stock while older stuff gets moved into less controlled environments where germination potency is quickly lost.

If you sell seeds, please store them with the love and care they deserve, they're works of art.

 

[jm420]

fuck the bbIWANT THE OLD SCHOOL PINE LOL.......

 

[EShred]

She's around in clone form. tough to find a good one though