Health Canada finally made their announcement.

[c-ray]

what would be nice is if everyone who intends to go back underground and whoever else has something to lose or gain, if they could all donate to a defense fund for the frontline soldiers who will be popped first and who will have the first chance to defeat this bs in court.. I know I am dreaming to think that we can actually come together as a culture, as an army, and defend our fellow soldiers from the evil war machine that sits on the horizon.. really we need to organize, in a big way, because there is only 15 months until the final battle of prohibition begins..

 

[northernkush]

but with the new laws anything over 5 plants is mandatory jail time? Have there been any convictions yet?

 

[Buds Bundy]

but with the new laws anything over 5 plants is mandatory jail time? Have there been any convictions yet?

Havet actually read the law but i believe its mandatory if its proven it was for trafficking, will see if the judges will want to flood the jails with 100s of new members.

If the price shoots to 2700-3000 per lb youll see 1-2 lighters pop up everywhere. Itll be like before the 24/48 hr inspections.

This wold be good for hydrostores as theyll be hurting come march 2014 as used equipment will flood the market.

 

[VagPuncher]

Back to condo grows!

2 bedroom. 1 bedroom has 3 600's over a 4 x 8 and the other is rented out daily to various hookers turning tricks. Old school.

 

[VagPuncher]

Look at the ****s.



10 acre farm is available for MMAR Medical Marijuana Designated Grower.

Legal only so those willing to work with the government programs both Provincial and Federal as they come on line.

Leave a contact number and we will get back to you only as both locations and privacy issues are considered.

3 doctors and registered patients with licences are in place for expantion.

Looking for d g Designated Grower up to 4 as there are 2 addresses on this 10 acre parcel.

You supply the equipment we will fulfill all local requirments together at a cost to you only for plumbing,electrical,and fire suppretion,plus security needs.


Structures already in place for operation with 3 split sections for your needs.If you have the knowledge you already understand this




Hahahaha. Like I said before. People with licenses think they are made of gold. You have 1500 in licenses and probably want 150,000 dollars in work done for them.

Burn slowly.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

Back to condo grows!

2 bedroom. 1 bedroom has 3 600's over a 4 x 8 and the other is rented out daily to various hookers turning tricks. Old school.

I have 4x600 in my spare bedroom and my nieghbor is a low-scale crackhead escort.

that hits close to home bro haha

 

[northernkush]

wtf is that an ad or something?

 

[growshopfrank]

Back to condo grows!

2 bedroom. 1 bedroom has 3 600's over a 4 x 8 and the other is rented out daily to various hookers turning tricks. Old school.

the infamous blow & grow

 

[shuswap]

great way to get rid of all your used bulbs,sell them to the cracker jacks next door,lol

 

[teemu shalanie]

they r hard workin trimmers too, with a stone at the end of a stick like a carrot ....hmmmmm get that $
TS

 

[Kacey420]

What does this mean for patients? It should be quite a bit easier for someone to obtain a prescription for cannabis from a doctor instead of having to apply through HC. Will we see a surge of walk-in cannabis clinics like on Venice beach and around LA, offering prescriptions for sleep deprived and anxious 20 somethings for 140$?

 

[RubeGoldberg]

What does this mean for patients? It should be quite a bit easier for someone to obtain a prescription for cannabis from a doctor instead of having to apply through HC. Will we see a surge of walk-in cannabis clinics like on Venice beach and around LA, offering prescriptions for sleep deprived and anxious 20 somethings for 140$?

probably a lot more clean-cut. cali is sort of a fucko environment, dreadlocked goofs running around in labcoats pretending they know what they're doing.

What health canada wants to do is make it an official perscribed medicine, so every family doctor will probably start prescribing it at that point.

can't really charge extra in that situation, would be like charging extra for an oxy perscription.

 

[c-ray]

from http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/28/letters-to-the-editor-dec-30

Letters to the Editor, Dec. 30, 2012 12:00 AM EST

Information needed


The Canadian Medical Association and the Federation of Medical Regulatory Authorities of Canada are deeply concerned about the advancement of a regulatory proposal to reform the Medical Marijuana Access Program. These reforms may place an unacceptable degree of responsibility on physicians, given the relative lack of evidence regarding the health benefits of medical marijuana. If Health Canada no longer screens applications for use of medical marijuana, this essentially makes the physician the sole decision-maker. Physicians should not be expected to prescribe medical marijuana unless it meets the regulatory requirement for prescription medication established under the federal Food and Drugs Act. We strongly believe that the same safety and evidence standards applied to pharmaceutical health products should be applied to medical marijuana. However, information is lacking in a number of areas, including correct dosage, efficacy, possible side effects and interaction with other medications or pre-existing conditions, information that physicians require to make evidence-based clinical decisions. We recommend that the Government of Canada focus its efforts on addressing the lack of research in these areas. We want to stress the need for a rational and evidence-based approach with regard to the medical marijuana program. It would be neither prudent nor responsible toward Canadians to propose regulatory changes in disregard of the need for more robust regulatory standards for this program.

Anna Reid, MD

President, Canadian Medical Association

Heidi M. Oetter, MD

President, Federation of Medical Regulatory Authorities of Canada

 

[c-ray]

from http://www.timescolonist.com/news/l...applaud-medical-pot-licensing-changes-1.36437

Municipal officials applaud medical pot licensing changes

Bill Cleverley , Times Colonist December 28, 2012


Local municipal officials are welcoming proposed changes in federal legislation surrounding the production of medical marijuana.

Both the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and the Union of B.C. Municipalities have raised concerns about illegal grow-ops being converted to medical grow operations, said Victoria Coun. Chris Coleman, who sits on the federal group’s board.

The proposed changes — Health Canada plans to take itself out of the production and distribution of the substance and open up the commercial market to companies that meet “strict security requirements” — appear to address that concern. Production of the substance would no longer be allowed in private homes.

“I think the municipalities will applaud it,” Coleman said, noting that there has been tension between the municipal and federal levels of government over the issue, and concerns that medical growing licences were being used to mask illegal operations.

“Because the information wasn’t shared, particularly with the police resources, they would go in and bust a place and then find out it was licensed,” Coleman said. “But they couldn’t tell what sort of volume it was licensed for. So the medical licensing was just some camouflage covering a much larger operation.”

Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq echoed those concerns.

“Current medical marijuana regulations have left the system open to abuse,” she said in a statement on Dec. 16.

“We have heard real concerns from law enforcement, fire officials and municipalities about how people are hiding behind these rules to conduct illegal activity, and putting health and safety of Canadians at risk. These changes will make it far more difficult for people to game the system.”

The Federation of Canadian Municipalities has also come out in support of the proposals, saying the new approach “clarifies the rights and responsibilities of the producer, protects community safety, and supports our police and emergency services.”

But Philippe Lucas, co-founder of Canadians for Safe Access, Canada’s oldest medical cannabis patients’ rights group, said the proposed changes could price some users out of the market.

“Patients who currently have the know-how and have spent money on equipment to be able to produce their own cannabis and source strains they find effective for their own conditions are no longer able to benefit them from personal production,” he said.

“That’s going to lead, potentially, to significant cost increases for patients.”

The changes, scheduled to take effect March 31, 2014, aim to treat marijuana like any other narcotic used for medical purposes — patients can purchase the appropriate amount from a licensed vendor as long as they have a signed medical document, similar to a prescription, from a health care practitioner.

Potential growers must demonstrate appropriate training; have an indoor restricted-access production site not in a private dwelling that is controlled at all times and includes 24/7 visual monitoring systems and an intrusion detection system; and have provided a written notification of their application to the local police force, local fire authority and local government.

In an attempt to “strike a balance between patient access and public safety,” Aglukkaq has announced doctors will be able to sign a document similar to a prescription for medical marijuana. The new process would replace the 33-page application form that doctors used to have to fill out.

Lucas said it was a welcome change. “This will kind of normalize the prescription of medical cannabis.”

bcleverley@timescolonist.com

 

[c-ray]

from http://www2.canada.com/nanaimodailynews/story.html?id=9d60a9a1-8073-4326-8d27-a95999e4660b

New regulations won't prevent illegal grow ops

Wayne Phillips, The Daily News
Monday, December 31, 2012


(Re: Grow ops pose risk to us all, Dec. 27, Daily News)

Contrary to what Health Canada says the proposed Marijuana for Medical Purposes Regulations (MMPR) won't prevent illegal grow ops from cropping up in neighbourhoods or communities.

What the proposed regulations will do, however, is deprive sick, disabled and dying Canadians of reasonable access to a legal source of cannabis for medical purposes.

The particular brand of bureaucratic disentitlement Health Canada is waging on MMAR exemptees has resulted in the same being disregarded as stakeholders then painted in a less than favourable light to appease those various "services" sectors which have demonstrated concern.

The proposed regulations are, in fact, more an indictment of Health Canada than they are of the current regulations or MMAR exemptees. Health Canada has mismanaged the program to such an extent that not only has the program garnered complaints from various sectors, it has been deemed unconstitutional on eight various occasions by the courts.

It is a wonder that legislation pertaining to the possession and production of cannabis even currently exists!

 

[MoeBudz^420]

"The new process would replace the 33-page application form that doctors used to have to fill out."

Whoever typed that must have double-tapped the "3" key...mine was 3 pages.


Peace

 

[c-ray]

Pot of gold -Former cop makes compelling case for legalizing and regulating marijuana

Pot of gold -Former cop makes compelling case for legalizing and regulating marijuana

from http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/pot-of-gold-185737032.html

By: Bruce Owen
Posted: January 5, 2013 1:00 AM

Phil Hossack / Winnipeg Free Press Bill VanderGraaf says Canada would experience a smooth transition to looser pot laws, as did the Netherlands.


Meet Bill VanderGraaf. The 61-year-old former Winnipeg police detective is the local poster boy for the movement against drug prohibition, specifically marijuana.

Recent Canadian polls and the fact two U.S. states approved the recreational use of marijuana would suggest it's a growing movement.

During his 29 years on the police force, VanderGraaf was a stereotypical cop: gruff, stoic, dedicated. His uncle was city police officer Peter VanderGraaf, who with his partner Jack Taylor defined policing in Winnipeg in the 1960s and '70s. Another uncle was also a cop and two other family members were Mounties.

During his early years on the job, VanderGraaf saw the world in black and white. That changed in December 1985 when he helped arrest a 28-year-old, on-duty city police officer in a drug raid, catching him in possession of seven grams of marijuana. The officer quickly resigned from the force and pleaded guilty in provincial court, receiving a $100 fine.

"I actually realized that the war on marijuana was crazy when I had to arrest a uniform cop for using pot," VanderGraaf says. "He lost his job, but the alcoholics on the job driving impaired or worse were given breaks and allowed to keep their jobs. Silly, I thought."

VanderGraaf retired in 2001. Six years later, he was arrested for growing marijuana in the basement of his house. Police seized 21 plants. He later got a conditional discharge, successfully arguing in court he was growing the plant for his own use and to help his ailing father, who in his final year suffered from ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease. His son gave him marijuana cookies to ease his pain.

The following year, VanderGraaf joined Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), and since then has been a vocal proponent of legalizing marijuana.

"I believe it can be a health benefit to some people," the licensed medical marijuana user says.

"I think marijuana should be provincially regulated and then controlled. What we do is eliminate that aspect from organized crime. They make huge profits off it in this country. I think it's better suited that those profits come to us, the people, so that we can, in turn, put them into our health-care system and other societal needs like social services."

A conservative estimate is the province could see a $600-million boost in revenue, he says, based on the estimate that 20 per cent of Manitobans smoke marijuana.

When LEAP was formed, the idea that any jurisdiction in North America would approve anything to do with marijuana was as far off as humans landing on Jupiter.

That changed Nov. 6, when voters in Colorado and Washington approved ballot measures allowing the use of pot without a doctor's recommendation for adults over 21. Adults in Colorado can now possess up to an ounce of marijuana, or six plants. Public use and sale of the drug remain illegal.

In Washington, the personal possession of up to one ounce of pot -- roughly 28 grams -- is allowed. Selling it remains illegal.

The changes in Colorado and Washington prompted U.S. President Barack Obama to say prosecuting recreational users in the two states is not a "top priority."

In Canada, a recent survey by Toronto's Forum Research found 65 per cent of Canadians favour either the legalization and taxation of the drug, or decriminalizing it in small amounts.

Public opinion surveys done by Angus Reid and Postmedia News and Global TV have had similar results.

VanderGraaf and others say Canada should go one step further than Colorado and Washington. It should allow the provinces to tax it as with cigarettes and alcohol.

The revenue would be staggering, they say.

How staggering?

Researchers from the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University said in a recent study British Columbians' pot purchases alone total about half a billion dollars each year. The Fraser Institute, a right-of-centre policy group, estimates B.C.'s marijuana industry is worth $7 billion annually.

Lead author Dan Werb, a member of the pro-pot Stop the Violence B.C. coalition, said the regulation of marijuana by the provinces and Ottawa would have three major effects on the country:

-- It would remove a source of revenue from organized crime, which controls the cultivation and distribution of marijuana.

-- Governments would have more resources for core services such as health care and education because they wouldn't be spending as much money on street-level drug enforcement and court proceedings.

-- It would generate tax revenue from a government-regulated marijuana-distribution system.

"You're going to suddenly have a government that's a lot better positioned compared to organized crime, that has a lot more resources that are freed up and a lot more tax revenue," Werb said, adding some of that new revenue could go toward drug prevention and treatment programs and other health-care or social service initiatives.

"Also what you do is, if you're freeing up law enforcement from simply getting bogged down in arresting street-level dealers or people who happen to have a few joints on them, they're in a much better position to start going after people in the upper echelon of organized crime."

But that's easier said than done.

Drug laws are a federal responsibilty in Canada. That means, at least for now, only Ottawa can amend or soften the laws against marijuana possession -- not provinces or municipalities.

"The control of those substances is a matter of federal law," Manitoba Justice Minister Andrews Swan said. "Manitoba has no ability to pass laws in areas already covered by federal legislation (the Controlled Drug and Substances Act). The provinces have no right to make criminal law at all."

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said Canadians should not take any cues from Colorado and Washington.

"First of all, I think you've got to be very careful about pointing to these two states as any kind of relaxing of the law in respect of marijuana in the United States," Toews said. "The federal government there and the federal lawmakers still make it a very harsh crime if you're caught. So I would just caution any Canadian going into those states -- and thinking that they will essentially be given a free pass -- to be very careful about that.

"Secondly, our government has made it clear that we do not support the legalization of marijuana and I have no further comments to make on that."

Despite that, municipal leaders in British Columbia have taken up the fight to legalize pot.

At a Union of B.C. Municipalities meeting in September, civic leaders agreed to lobby Ottawa to pursue the decriminalization, taxation and regulation of marijuana. The vote followed a debate in which some argued Canada's prohibition on pot is a failed policy that has cost millions of dollars in police, court, jail and social costs. (Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz declined an interview request on the subject).

Pot proponents want the B.C. government to pass the Sensible Policing Act, which would direct all police in the province away from making searches, seizures or arrests in cases of simple cannabis possession. They want a provincial referendum in 2014.

VanderGraaf believes marijuana decriminalization in Canada could come within three years if the Conservatives are voted out of office in the next federal election, which is scheduled for Oct. 19, 2015. NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair has said he supports the creation of a commission to examine the decriminalization of marijuana. He has also said no one should go to jail for possessing a couple of joints. The Liberals have already said, if elected, they would move to legalize weed completely and regulate its production and sale, although it remains to be seen if that becomes one of their campaign planks.

"The Canadian public is using it anyway," VanderGraaf says. "I don't expect a huge increase in the use of this product if it's legalized. There may be some increase, but I think it would level out just like we saw in places like the Netherlands."

Marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, but police do not prosecute people for possession of small amounts.

After several decades of marijuana tolerance, reports say rates for Dutch pot use are in the middle of international norms, higher than those in neighbouring Germany, but lower than those in France, Britain, Australia or even the United States.

Marijuana use in Canada is similar to that in the U.S. among teens and adults, according to the Canadian Public Health Association and the Addictions Foundation of Manitoba.

"The vast majority of young people report greater access to cannabis than to alcohol and tobacco," Werb added. "I don't think it's by coincidence that tobacco and alcohol are regulated and cannabis is ostensibly prohibited. We have a system where you have ready access to cannabis. Where do they get it? Four lockers down."

bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca

Governments could rake it in

If marijuana were regulated in Manitoba, where would the biggest impact be felt?

Crime? Health care? Social services? Schools?

None of the above, some experts say.

In fact, they predict the biggest impact would be on the government's treasury.

But by how much is hard to gauge.

The Fraser Institute crunched the numbers in 2004 and came up with this:

Stephen Easton, an economics professor at Simon Fraser University, estimated in his report the retail price of a marijuana cigarette in British Columbia is about $8.50 while the cost of production is $1.50. He said that implied a tax rate of $7 per cigarette to keep prices the same as they are on the street.

Easton then estimated domestic use of marijuana in Canada to be in the range of 160,000 kilograms, and with a joint coming in at about half a gram, tax revenue would be more than $2 billion to the Canadian government.

To accomplish that, the government would have to enact new legislation and a bureaucracy to oversee the sale of pot and then collect taxes.

However, some proponents of decriminalization say a better way would be keep government out of it and let the market take care of itself.

That's what's happening in Colorado and Washington, where voters in the two states recently passed measures that allow the recreational use of marijuana. The states are not selling it or taxing it, and the sale of pot remains illegal.

Others say cannabis laws should be repealed entirely, ending prohibition.

They say new businesses would be created to exploit the new market for cannabis and hemp products. Each of those new businesses would be subject to business taxes, creating a new source of revenue for government.


Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition January 5, 2013 A6

 

[VagPuncher]

Wonder how many people he arrested over pot? Yet, when he finds out it help his dad he has a change of heart.

Fucking narc pig old greaser. Hope he breaks his fucking hips and has to live in some shitty house on Ellice getting ass fucked by the IP.

 

[Green Supreme]

Ya cops, judges and Doctors that come out after they quit their positions of influence, can suck my balls. Peace GS

 

[Prairie Boy]

Wonder how many people he arrested over pot? Yet, when he finds out it help his dad he has a change of heart.

Fucking narc pig old greaser. Hope he breaks his fucking hips and has to live in some shitty house on Ellice getting ass fucked by the IP.

Amen to that vag!!

Looks just like the slime that busted me 25 years ago for half a J and called it 10 grams! Nearly broke my arm and boot fuked me @ the station.
Fuk the gunghoes!!

Cheers PB