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Juicepuddle
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NICE!!!! This is the last thing I would EVER admit to. ITS MOLDY....... OR FUCKING WORSE
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Not only do I not believe this, but when are average smokers finding "HIGH POWER SATIVA" ?? And WHY does it make them puke? You guys have provided NO PROOF, while I have stated people are inhaling wrong and swallowing smoke or worse, NOT TO MENTION YOU DID SAY AVERAGE SMOKERS.... maybe they dont know how to inhale.
If you puke when you smoke you inhaled wrong....... breathed wrong...... or the bud was TAINTED o.o
This is incorrect. The primary psychoactive cannabinoid in weed is THC, but there are other cannabinoids in weed that, while not psychoactive (i.e. won't get you high), have greater healing properties. Cannabidiol (CBD) is the one of greatest interest. A particular strain may be very high in THC but low in CBD. Other strains have less THC but more CBD.
Researchers investigating the medicinal uses of cannabis have zeroed in on CBD as being a potential game-changer for a lot of maladies and are asking breeders not to breed out CBD by focusing exclusively on THC content. CBD is not the psychoactive cannabinoid, but it seems to be the most medicinally useful.
Howard Marks (Mr. Nice) and Shantibaba have recently teamed up with some other folks to develop and promote high CBD strains. They call it the CBD Project. They've already developed their first strains, which tend to be lower in THC and higher in CBD -- for example, 6% each (as opposed to 15% THC and 1% CBD, which would be a typical profile for a strong commercial strain). According to reports, Neville Schoenmaker has ended his affiliation with Mr. Nice Seeds over the intended focus by Howard and Shanti on CBD-rich strains.
Juicepuddle
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CBD can still get you high, thanks though.
Just because people label it a more "Functional high" meens nothing to me. I personally LOVE cbd strains and prefer them over high THC, even for recreation.
Fuck everyone in this thread who thinks smoking to much is bad.
EDIT: I hate the myth of "growers focusing on high THC strains" the truth is HIGH CBD STRAINS ARE HARD TO COME BY and have been forever, its not something growers did recently in the last 20-30 years.
Umm... no. You can drink as much CBD oil as you want... you're not going to get 'High'. Period.
Growers haven't had access to lab equipment to 'focus' on high THC strains. It was never intentional but it has happened for probably over 30-40 years...
Growers want money. Strong cannabis sells better than weak. CBD throttles the 'high' and makes the cannabis feel weaker than it is (THC wise). The natural course of making the most money off of cannabis has led to high THC, low CBD strains.
Essentially the amount of CBD has pretty much stayed the same while the THC content has steadily increased.
So, it's not a myth... it's a Myth-underthtanding.
Stay Safe!
What i wanna know is how you know neville left them because of that, it's not i don't believe you, i try to stay up on the news of this industry and i have not yet heard this, more info please.
So which super stronge strains are we talkin about here ?Anything so stronge it makes you puke then I want it ,where are these super stronge strains ??? lol..
Hash is great but it makes me sleepy, but your idea that really stronge bud is a hype is kinda right because it's been way too long since I have seen anything worth typing about lol headband 707
Hash is great but it makes me sleepy, but your idea that really stronge bud is a hype is kinda right because it's been way too long since I have seen anything worth typing about lol headband 707
While THC gets you high CBD's work more on the muscles is my understanding of this .So if they can get them both in there I'm all for it headband 707
Quote JP: NICE!!!! This is the last thing I would EVER admit to. ITS MOLDY....... OR FUCKING WORSE End quote.
OTH > I ment it makes me puke because of it's high thc content in combination with beeing completely off balanced as a strain.
Ever bred a pure strong sativa x a pure strong indica? What comes out from that will be so off balanced in all instances that it creates a complete 'frankenstein' weed that makes some ppl puke.
They have no clue what's going on in their heads since stuff like that will be rather inpredicteble from moment to moment.
The high THC profile, like Laughing Jim already has mentioned, does not seem to help remaining a full stomach.
This stuff is already known to the community Mr, please do some reading on it JP.
To say that I could not tell the difference between a strong, off balanced thc strain from moldy crap I would take as an insult if it weren't coming from you Juice puddle.
Your statements are rather odd for someone who thinks having a point.
Carry on finding new explanations to debunk old knowledge in favor of your thesis mate, lol
OTH > I ment it makes me puke because of it's high thc content in combination with beeing completely off balanced as a strain.
Ever bred a pure strong sativa x a pure strong indica? What comes out from that will be so off balanced in all instances that it creates a complete 'frankenstein' weed that makes some ppl puke.
They have no clue what's going on in their heads since stuff like that will be rather inpredicteble from moment to moment.
The high THC profile, like Laughing Jim already has mentioned, does not seem to help remaining a full stomach.
This stuff is already known to the community Mr, please do some reading on it JP.
To say that I could not tell the difference between a strong, off balanced thc strain from moldy crap I would take as an insult if it weren't coming from you Juice puddle.
Your statements are rather odd for someone who thinks having a point.
Carry on finding new explanations to debunk old knowledge in favor of your thesis mate, lol
Interesting thread. Just a couple of observations. First, I've never encountered it personally, but I don't know how many times here I've read someone describe their super potent weed, and how they smoked some novice who turned white as a ghost and then puked. Nobody ever challenged these accounts. Never.
And my personal observation. I've been smoking for over forty years now. I have a real problem with developing a strong tolerance and "chasing the high". Funny, but the highs I enjoy most are after I've been smoking for a couple days after a break. My first few highs after a long break tend to be somewhat racy and edgy but they soon fit right into a comfortable euphoric groove. Smoking a good sativa dominant makes me want to play music as if it is somehow filling me up like a faucet turned on full and it just must be released.
But after a more than a month of smoking every day all day things have changed. The highs aren't euphoric. Sometimes it feels like I'm just smoking bowls until some certain blood level of THC etc has been reached to satisfy my needs, but I don't really feel high. Edibles will barely work on me at these times. I'm capable of getting to the point where the majority of my time is spent smoking it, sitting there nodding off, and then feeling the need to smoke again. At this point the positive effects I'm chasing aren't really appearing anymore but the negative effects manifest. In these moments I've found myself spending way too much time wondering what it was I was going to do but just forgot. Or coughing.
I've always admired those heads who smoke one bowl and knew to stop then.
Chasing the high ... Brain cells have receptor sites for the psychoactive compounds in cannabis. Maybe those of us who are potheads are lacking in these receptors and need that added infusion of THC etc. to feel right. It is known that when we start overdoing it the body starts eliminating some of these receptor sites to try and bring things back in line. And when this happens you just don't get as high anymore. I find that after one bowl of good pot I'm going to be in my most euphoric and motivated state. I need to get up out of the chair right then and go do something. If I sit and load up another pipe-full then I will numb myself and continue to want to sit and smoke.
I think that for me at least, one bowl of good pot should be more than enough to put me in the place I want to be. At this moment I imagine the receptor sites are pretty much filled up. Smoking more will load my bloodstream with more THC etc but the receptor sites are already filled and each additional bowl is merely adding negative effects and hastening my development of a strong tolerance. Smoking those last extra bowls late at night also does little for me but guarantees that my receptor sites will remain maxed out to the hilt and that my body will adjust their number down accordingly to bring things back in line. I have to keep in mind that every extra bowl I smoke today will make it harder for me to get high tomorrow. I'm in that place now. I smoke a couple bowls of sativa dominant and I'm not inspired to turn on the amp. This is usually around the time that I start buying rolling papers and smoking fatties instead of pipe bowls. Tells me I need to take a break.
And my personal observation. I've been smoking for over forty years now. I have a real problem with developing a strong tolerance and "chasing the high". Funny, but the highs I enjoy most are after I've been smoking for a couple days after a break. My first few highs after a long break tend to be somewhat racy and edgy but they soon fit right into a comfortable euphoric groove. Smoking a good sativa dominant makes me want to play music as if it is somehow filling me up like a faucet turned on full and it just must be released.
But after a more than a month of smoking every day all day things have changed. The highs aren't euphoric. Sometimes it feels like I'm just smoking bowls until some certain blood level of THC etc has been reached to satisfy my needs, but I don't really feel high. Edibles will barely work on me at these times. I'm capable of getting to the point where the majority of my time is spent smoking it, sitting there nodding off, and then feeling the need to smoke again. At this point the positive effects I'm chasing aren't really appearing anymore but the negative effects manifest. In these moments I've found myself spending way too much time wondering what it was I was going to do but just forgot. Or coughing.
I've always admired those heads who smoke one bowl and knew to stop then.
Chasing the high ... Brain cells have receptor sites for the psychoactive compounds in cannabis. Maybe those of us who are potheads are lacking in these receptors and need that added infusion of THC etc. to feel right. It is known that when we start overdoing it the body starts eliminating some of these receptor sites to try and bring things back in line. And when this happens you just don't get as high anymore. I find that after one bowl of good pot I'm going to be in my most euphoric and motivated state. I need to get up out of the chair right then and go do something. If I sit and load up another pipe-full then I will numb myself and continue to want to sit and smoke.
I think that for me at least, one bowl of good pot should be more than enough to put me in the place I want to be. At this moment I imagine the receptor sites are pretty much filled up. Smoking more will load my bloodstream with more THC etc but the receptor sites are already filled and each additional bowl is merely adding negative effects and hastening my development of a strong tolerance. Smoking those last extra bowls late at night also does little for me but guarantees that my receptor sites will remain maxed out to the hilt and that my body will adjust their number down accordingly to bring things back in line. I have to keep in mind that every extra bowl I smoke today will make it harder for me to get high tomorrow. I'm in that place now. I smoke a couple bowls of sativa dominant and I'm not inspired to turn on the amp. This is usually around the time that I start buying rolling papers and smoking fatties instead of pipe bowls. Tells me I need to take a break.
Here's the statement from Howard Marks, posted on the Mr. Nice website by Shantibaba. The connection between the CBD Project being pursued by Howard and Shanti and the departure of Neville is only implied, not explicit. The connection is kind of speculative, and no one at MNS is saying so, but I think it's fair speculation. The timing of his departure and the fact that Howard mentioned his and Shanti's CBD Project in the same paragraph announcing Neville's departure is telling.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/10576-statement-shanti-howard.html#post173966
BTW, I didn't mean to suggest that CBD is the only useful medicinal compound in MJ, just that it's getting a lot of attention from researchers right now, who are discovering some amazing things about how it works. THC is a cannabinoid that also has medicinal properties. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=252065. I'm sure there are others in the cannabinoid cocktail that is MJ.
One of the difficulties with trying to isolate compounds and produce them in a lab for medical purposes is that there are so many compounds that together have the medicinal effect. Just because a big pharma can synthesize a compound doesn't mean the result is going to work like the cannabinoid cocktail you get from the plant itself.
This research would be a lot further along, btw, if the federal government in the US and Big Pharma supported the research. But the feds don't want to license researchers on college campuses to have weed to study, and Big Pharma is hostile to MMJ because they can't patent it and don't benefit from competition for their synthetic chemicals.
This thread reminds me of why I like to keep several varieties of herb on hand. Sometimes I want to sit back and get wrecked. Sometimes I just want to put a little edge on. Sometimes I want to get a semi-psychadelic effect and play outside. Sometimes I want a sleep aid. But I would always opt for higher THC levels, figuring I can always smoke less of it if I don't want to get baked. And because I smoke every day, I'm sure my CBD intake is covered sufficiently to get the medicinal effects it provides.
P.S. I've come close to puking on pot twice -- both when I was a lightweight smoker hitting some good herb really hard. Not fun to pass through that pleasure zone into praying to the porcelain god.
One of the difficulties with trying to isolate compounds and produce them in a lab for medical purposes is that there are so many compounds that together have the medicinal effect. Just because a big pharma can synthesize a compound doesn't mean the result is going to work like the cannabinoid cocktail you get from the plant itself.
This research would be a lot further along, btw, if the federal government in the US and Big Pharma supported the research. But the feds don't want to license researchers on college campuses to have weed to study, and Big Pharma is hostile to MMJ because they can't patent it and don't benefit from competition for their synthetic chemicals.
This thread reminds me of why I like to keep several varieties of herb on hand. Sometimes I want to sit back and get wrecked. Sometimes I just want to put a little edge on. Sometimes I want to get a semi-psychadelic effect and play outside. Sometimes I want a sleep aid. But I would always opt for higher THC levels, figuring I can always smoke less of it if I don't want to get baked. And because I smoke every day, I'm sure my CBD intake is covered sufficiently to get the medicinal effects it provides.
P.S. I've come close to puking on pot twice -- both when I was a lightweight smoker hitting some good herb really hard. Not fun to pass through that pleasure zone into praying to the porcelain god.
Juicepuddle
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Try my CBD, you will get high, sorry. CBD gets you stoned. People want to describe it as a lower feeling then THC so that they can win over people who think weed is a drug, PERIOD.
Its my belief that CBD deepens any high you already have going as well as adding a softer warmer feeling that ALONE can be overwhelming and CAN GET YOU HIGH.
IMO people should be operating machinery on high THC strains, NOT CBD, imo your preaching the opposite of what should be happening, just to abide by those that say THC is a drug and bad.
Quote scullznroses: Bite Me Thread from the ratings. End quote.
OTH: I got a verry clear picture in my mind of the ones giving negative rep.
Exept for Juice puddle I ain't see too many trying to proof their point tho.
JP anyways has got my respect for sticking to his beliefs and urge to turn the whole world upside down. PPl like him are having reasons to exist too in this world!
But JP, I got tonnes of industrial Finola hemp laying around, High in cbd but no thc whatsoever. It does do something, I agree, but getting high from it would not be something I 'd be willing to admit.
@ Crusader Rabbit: I think your whole story fairly well explained my point.
Especially thisone: Quote: I have to keep in mind that every extra bowl I smoke today will make it harder for me to get high tomorrow. End quote.
OTH: It says there is no point in trying to get as high as possible on a daily basis by increasing the dosis or consentration of whatever you're smoking.
Only on an infrequent basis this might be somewhat satisfying.
Quote Komboloi: Not fun to pass through that pleasure zone into praying to the porcelain god. End quote.
OTH: I had n't heard of thisone before. Pretty fucking funny putting it this way
OTH: I got a verry clear picture in my mind of the ones giving negative rep.
Exept for Juice puddle I ain't see too many trying to proof their point tho.
JP anyways has got my respect for sticking to his beliefs and urge to turn the whole world upside down. PPl like him are having reasons to exist too in this world!
But JP, I got tonnes of industrial Finola hemp laying around, High in cbd but no thc whatsoever. It does do something, I agree, but getting high from it would not be something I 'd be willing to admit.
@ Crusader Rabbit: I think your whole story fairly well explained my point.
Especially thisone: Quote: I have to keep in mind that every extra bowl I smoke today will make it harder for me to get high tomorrow. End quote.
OTH: It says there is no point in trying to get as high as possible on a daily basis by increasing the dosis or consentration of whatever you're smoking.
Only on an infrequent basis this might be somewhat satisfying.
Quote Komboloi: Not fun to pass through that pleasure zone into praying to the porcelain god. End quote.
OTH: I had n't heard of thisone before. Pretty fucking funny putting it this way
calling Ralph on the porcelain telephone.
Eheh,
Juicepuddle
Member
JP anyways has got my respect for sticking to his beliefs and urge to turn the whole world upside down. PPl like him are having reasons to exist too in this world!
Thanks.
I feel you, in this world you give them an inch they take a mile. I more then love the high / feel of CBD, the really really strong ones tend to make me "non functional" and the truth in all of this is: Its all opinion, no REAL science yet, just leaps to conclusions, even by the doctors / scientists themselves.
Someone who "is a chemist" recently told me about how butane punctures trichome skin with a hole and extracts the inards, yet was unable to explain how or why the entire skin did not dissolve in this process, and this is from someone with credentials who makes extracts for many many patients, maybe we should figure out all the mysteries in the process before spreading it to others(My main point here is even people credentialed as chemists are leaping to conclusions) peace - rant over
Good rant JP, I fully agree this time.
If it comes to thinking outside the box, I'm sure we prolly are not that much different.
If it comes to thinking outside the box, I'm sure we prolly are not that much different.
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gloryoskie
Well spoken. Bit of a rollercoaster ride of a thread. Some good points made as well as some class A trolling.
I keep some hard hitting stuff around as well as some trippy shit. Been using cannabis since 1977. Edibles are interesting, as well as dry sift sats.
Never puked except for 'shrooms. To me, and many other folks, using cannabis is a uniquely personal experiance shared with other like minded folks.
Similar to dreaming the same dream.
Happy New Year, and good luck in 2013!
