Hydro Shop Nutes vs The Big Names??

[Mullabor]

Hi growers, I've tried researching before asking this question but didnt have much luck. So here we are. I'll try and be breif

Am due for new flower nutes after this grow so decided to go to my local shop for a browse of the nutes and additives. Anyway, he starts going into his speal about how his no-named hydro nutes are just as good as canna according to his customers and at least half the price (comes in powder form and you have to mix it up yourself).. I'm extremely dubious about this statement as i've always been one for believing-you get what you pay for'. For that reason i've pretty much stuck with the better known brands.

My question- Has anyone tried the cheaper, hydro shop nutes and how did it work out for you.

All opinions and experiences appreciated.

I grow in 15 litre hempy buckets with perlite.

Thanx heaps
Mullabor

 

[PetFlora]

Well, assuming the person making them knows their shit, they could be vastly superior. In many cases, not that hard to do when you realize most of the nutes being sold are not specifically formulated for mmj

There is a Nutrient DIY thread on IC that taught me a lot, but as a personal use grower, the investment would not be worth it.

I did find some IC threads using Hydro-Research VEG+BLOOM. I tried it 3 grows back. It blows away my full DM Gold AND I'm not paying for water, or shipping of water

It has reached a few hydro shops, but can be purchased direct. Cheap Hydroponics (Michigan?) carries it

 

[GroBot810]

I would have to say stick with the big names.they got big for a reason.im a grower.not a product designer orsor scientist.both of which most nutrient company's have working for or with them.

 

[oceangrownkush]

PetFlora could you post up Hydro Research links? Google yielded nothing with those words, sounds very interesting! I kind of want to do a few coco+nutes plants alongside my organic soil plants to see how the growth/quality stacks up and you will never ever catch me buying $100+ gallons of hydro store bullshit lol.... My boy who grows AN's full line pays a few K's per grow... Swears by it lol... We smoked each others outdoor together this last season and my (seeded) organic soil grown outdoor smacked his AN grown outdoor in the face, hard as fuck.

 

[BCNeil]

There is always someone with a cheap solution for a cheap problem.

I have a 3000w grow, this time I am using H&G base for coco.
All said and done my "Nute cost" per ounce is about 45 cents.

I am going to try Aptus twice a week, for me next grow. My "Nute cost" per ounce will skyrocket to almost $3.

Now this guys home made nutes are half price Canna.
Big whoop so your "Nute cost" per ounce goes from 50 cents to 25.

Seems easier to use brand names that have a history
for such an insignificant savings........assuming the hydroshop nutes are even equally as good.

 

[PetFlora]

http://www.hydroponic-research.com/

Google sucks. Try Bing

 

[GroBot810]

i agree with BC...ill stick with the known nutes too.more product testing for our application.indoor gardening.yes they are dilluted,and almost all water.thats so WE dont mix them wrong and burn up crops trying to save "25 cents an oz" lol.but the plants dont know the difference between the two..nitrogen is nitrogen and so on.for the most part.

 

[jayjayfrank]

reading and knowing plant science and albricht ratios and understanding ionic chemistry, then yes, pretty much any "big bottle nute" can be home made. if you work at a hydro store and already know this stuff, and pretty much put in orders for it anyway, why not make it yourself? my local hydro store sells Kelp Tea they brew themselves, only lasts a couple days, gotta special order.

people grow 'dank fire' with Jacks, CalNit and AgSil.... at like $0.03 per gallon. i used gen hydro floranova and was thinking of switching over to maxi series when i found vegbloom. if i do switch again it would be to home made hydro formulas. with a handful of websites and ebay (also a whole lot of reading) you should be able to make whatever you need.

i only have a 600hps for bloom and a 400mh for veg so even buying 5lb bags would last me years. at that point some stuff might go bad so why bother. plus i would need all the tools and instruments to weigh everything out. its a lot of work. and if you mess up its your fault. i was really concerned about switching nutes because my gardens so small it would take awhile to recover from a fuck up. probably never leaving veg+bloom.

as far as crop, cash crops and farming go this is odd. do you think corn farmers go down to the store for 50 gallons of cal-mag? they make it themselves. ever hear corn farmers talk about NPK? none of them want to give up their formulas. takes them forever to work out and dial in. face it, most of us are a bunch of old ladies trying to out do each others roses. whatever magic someone is selling catchs our ears.

 

[Kcar]

I Use Jack's Pro + Calnit and it costs me .04c a gallon. $1.60 to change a 40 gal res.
Thanks Jack!

 

[Dkgrower]

I would try that Nutrient on some plants and then after what results u get act after that.

Rember that most Canna nutrient company get professional formulators to make there nutrient line up and always remove improtant part and put them in seperate bottels, that why u need 9 bottels to grow a plant.

U dont learn something if u dont try some new stuff.

 

[johnnyrotten]

I Use Jack's Pro + Calnit and it costs me .04c a gallon. $1.60 to change a 40 gal res.
Thanks Jack!

I've been using Jacks in my new grow and I will sticking with it, not only because of the cost but its simple to use... Delta9 uses jacks in his ppm system and he pulls up to 22oz from one plant, feeding a 600ppm mixture...

So, to answer your question... Yes, you can find much less expensive nutes that are as good or better than the big names...

 

[Fly by Night]

It's fun to spoil the girls with pricey treats, but they'll still love ya wen u skimpy holmes! Go easy on em, with peace

 

[Kcar]

Go easy on em, with peace

Probably the best piece of advice, ever. It means (To me anyway)
that never stressing your plants is the best way to high yields and super nice buds. Temps, humid, lights, media, health, genetics, etc. all play just as big a part of the plants lifecycle as nutes do.

Even supporting the weight of the buds is an important anti-stressor.

 

[GroBot810]

Probably the best piece of advice, ever. It means (To me anyway)
that never stressing your plants is the best way to high yields and super nice buds. Temps, humid, lights, media, health, genetics, etc. all play just as big a part of the plants lifecycle as nutes do.

Even supporting the weight of the buds is an important anti-stressor.

Well put.optimum conditions include all aspects.once there its smooth sailing no matter what your using imo.

 

[Homebrewer]

Just take a look at the guaranteed analysis on the 'discount plant food' bottles and that should answer all your questions.

 

[SooperSmurph]

I've used a huge range of nutes, Fox Farm, Ionic, Miracle Gro, Canna, Home & Garden, Pure Blend Pro... At the end of the day, it's simply about knowing what the plants need, what is in your fertilizers, and taking the time to think about how to create what you need with what you have.

That being said, i'm a fan of local products, but being local doesn't automatically make it good, time spent on research and comparison will pay off tenfold in the long term.

 

[SooperSmurph]

50 Posts! Now I can fix it =)

 

[BCNeil]

Why exactly did my post saying that brand names matter far less than the contents of the bottle get deleted? Overpriced crap getting protected?

are you referring to your post directly above this one???

 

[avant gardener]

this outfit smells like a sham to me. overpriced dry nutes.

first off, i'm terribly skeptical of any 1-part nutrient. how the hell are you going tweak it to get higher relative N in veg and higher PK in flower if there's only one way to run it?

they may be 1/2 as expensive as canna and advanced and H & G (if you happen to be paying full retail), but that doesn't make it a good deal. it's dry nutes. GH has dry nutes that work damn well. and looking at the top result in google shopping, i see that i can get 100 lbs of maxibloom for less money than i can get 25 lbs of this other stuff. now i'm not a mathematician or anything, but that sure sounds like a better value to me.

do your homework or you're going to get worked.

 

[SooperSmurph]

In my experience one part nutrients always need extra mixing, so they aren't really one part.