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Fish Hydrolysate
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CT Guy
Organic Gem is another good brand. I'm currently using Eco Nutrients.
CT Guy
I have this wrong but I think I remember you testing the seaweed extract from Eco Nutrients and found it lacking? Not that this has anything remotely to do with their fish hydrolysate.
Thanks!
CC
I have this wrong but I think I remember you testing the seaweed extract from Eco Nutrients and found it lacking? Not that this has anything remotely to do with their fish hydrolysate.
Thanks!
CC
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CT Guy
it was a kelp hydrolysate that I looked at for you. Can't comment on nutrient profile, only that it did little in regards to microbial activity when I tested it.
Thanks! That's what I remembered you saying and I discontinued using it.
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OrganicOzarks
Keep in mind they lower the ph with phosphoric acid. Some people are sticklers about these things.
I called Neptune's harvest to speak to some one about this, and it took 4 people to finally give me an answer. He was not happy I was calling to ask this question either. The 3rd person had already said it was in there, but then said she was not able to speak about it, and had to pass me on. So the final guy (very pissed off) said it was not in there. I asked again in plain spoken english(just in case he was retarted), and he said more hatefully that it was not in there, and then hung up on me.
I though OMRI allowed like 1/10 of 1% for it to make the list.
Clackamascootz do you have more info about this at all?
I switched to a powder. More bang for the buck. I can't say I would go back to liquid ever again.
I called Neptune's harvest to speak to some one about this, and it took 4 people to finally give me an answer. He was not happy I was calling to ask this question either. The 3rd person had already said it was in there, but then said she was not able to speak about it, and had to pass me on. So the final guy (very pissed off) said it was not in there. I asked again in plain spoken english(just in case he was retarted), and he said more hatefully that it was not in there, and then hung up on me.
I though OMRI allowed like 1/10 of 1% for it to make the list.
Clackamascootz do you have more info about this at all?
I switched to a powder. More bang for the buck. I can't say I would go back to liquid ever again.
OrganicOzarks
Stabilizers are added at the end of the fermentation cycle to stop that process once the pH hits a certain number - that pH number is established by the manufacturer, i.e. it is not mandated by any certification or regulatory agency.
Under USDA NOP (National Organic Program) this is the current standard:
How's that for regulatory mumbo-jumbo?
Stabilizers are added at the end of the fermentation cycle to stop that process once the pH hits a certain number - that pH number is established by the manufacturer, i.e. it is not mandated by any certification or regulatory agency.
Under USDA NOP (National Organic Program) this is the current standard:
205.601(j)(7) Liquid fish products — can be pH adjusted with Sulfuric, Citric or Phosphoric acid. The amount of acid used shall not exceed the minimum needed to lower the pH to 3.5.
How's that for regulatory mumbo-jumbo?
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SeaMaiden
You called Neptune's Harvest and they were rude with you? Done, done and done. Stick a fork in 'em, they're DONE.
What powder are you using, OO? I switched to powder a long time ago.
What powder are you using, OO? I switched to powder a long time ago.
OrganicOzarks
Is that the spray-dried product from California Spray Dry Co. in Stockton, California?
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RanchoDeluxe
Member
I've been using fish hydroslate from Drammatic for quite some time now. It's a buck or two cheaper than Neptunes...can't say if it's good or bad....it just works.
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RanchoDeluxe
That's a brand you find at several organic farm stores in the valley here unrelated to using in an ACT, i.e. can't speak to how it performs in that process.
That's a brand you find at several organic farm stores in the valley here unrelated to using in an ACT, i.e. can't speak to how it performs in that process.
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OrganicOzarks
Thats the one. This shit lasts forever. A few grams will do a compost tea right.
Thanks!
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OrganicOzarks
What the fuck? Well that is worse than I had thought. I don't know where I got my figure from. So you can rot some shit with a ph of 9, and drop in unlimited amounts until the ph goes to 3.5? Jesus Christ.
I can see why they do it. Getting a natural ferment to go down to 3.1-3.7 is a task, but with the right ingredients, and the right amount of time it can be done with no additives.
I guess I could have saved all of the headaches I have had with my ferments and just dumped in phosphoric acid.
Here's my favorite - shall not exceed the minimum needed
Must have been an interesting lunch before an unnamed administrative assistant came up with that phrase......
Must have been an interesting lunch before an unnamed administrative assistant came up with that phrase......
If you thought the fish hydrolysate cite was interesting then you'll love the USDA NOP rule on powdered seaweed extracts.
205.601(j)(1) As plant or soil amendments…Aquatic plant extracts (other than hydrolyzed) — Extraction process is limited to the use of Potassium Hydroxide or Sodium Hydroxide; solvent amount used is limited to that amount necessary for extraction
Feel better now?
205.601(j)(1) As plant or soil amendments…Aquatic plant extracts (other than hydrolyzed) — Extraction process is limited to the use of Potassium Hydroxide or Sodium Hydroxide; solvent amount used is limited to that amount necessary for extraction
Feel better now?
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OrganicOzarks
Not at all.
I will say that I have changed my ingredients around for my tea brews so that the kelp meal performs as well as the extract. Once you told me it contained potassium hydroxide I could not get it out of my head. So I have been tinkering for the past few months to use kelp instead. I got it down now so that it works just as well. I love this forum by the way.
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CT Guy
I did some microscopy work making some teas out of the spray dried fish product and didn't have much success. I wouldn't call it extensive testing, but it made me skeptical. It certainly didn't perform like the fish hydrolysate in regards to fungal growth and activity.
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OrganicOzarks
I have switched to only using dry inputs into my teas. Under the scope everything looks a-ok. It took me a while to figure out how much fish powder to use, but once i did I would never switch back(unless I could not get the powder form of course).
I wanted to get away from using any liquids at all. It took a while, but I am very happy with the results of my dry inputs.
