question for breeders or pollen chuckers

[BasementGrower]

ok .. i have a quick question.. ok .. for example.. if u buy 2 ten packs of seeds.. For Example.. Afghan .. if u take the best male and female out of the pack.. and make seeds with them.. does this open up the entire gene pool of the strain.. or how does it work.. i just made some crosses with an afghan male.. and i hit a afghan female also.. from same seed stock.

so now i have Afghan Seeds.. are these considered F1s? or how does this entire thing work wen ur trying to make afghan seeds from a afghan male and afghan female?

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Hey BG

I don't know, have no experience or good knowledge on breeding. But I read f1 should be a good representation on the parents and that f2's should be wider in the offspring.

Maybe U should ask this in the breeder laboratory

 

[exploziv]

you got f2's if the afghani you used was a strain and not just a cross.
now you just need to make selections on the offspring and breed again, or better backcross it to the mother you want to get best represented in the seeds.
Another option would be selfing a female and making feminised seeds with it's genes.

 

[Rainman]

BG - What you will have is a good representation of the two parents genectics. Not the whole pack unless, they all came from the same two seed parents. With a male and female mating, you get a resulting F1/F2s but not of the entire pack but just those two seed parents. To get a larger representation of the genes as a whole, you simply need to pop more seeds. If the seeds are from several mother/father plants you will alot of variation in resulting backcrosses. Pick the parents that offer traits of what you are looking for in further generations(smell, taste, resin production, etc). Once these parents are found you can "backcross" them to males and females further and now you are beginning to bottleneck the line into traits you want to see expressed in later generations. Good luck!!

 

[BasementGrower]

well i recieved some seeds that are supposed to be Landrace Afghan Genetics. i had a seed box full of clones of all strains i had. and hit with pollen from the afghan male. in there was a afghan female.. im hoping now to go threw all the seeds i got from this and make selections of male and females to make more seeds eventually i just wanted to know if i just opened up the gene pool or did i make it a little more stable as to the offspring?

 

[BasementGrower]

thanks to everyone in advance.. much appreciated on the fact replys!

im mainly focusing on the crosses .. i made with the male .. but im going to pop some of the only afghan genetics to see what comes from this male.. honestly. hopping this afghan male has brought something good to the table.

honestly i found some really great phenos in the packs.. but this female i used of the afghan was the biggest yielding afghan ive ever seen.. shits Cola on a 18 inch clone was 12 inches. and the side branches very few were like 6 inch each. im just hoping the male does bring some good shit to these offspring

 

[exploziv]

well if they were landrace they should have been pretty stable genetics, and crossing them further should keep the offspring pretty similar to the parents.

 

[BasementGrower]

basicly i was told by a grower friend that.. if i was to do this with any strain.. taking a female and a male and pollinating the resulting seed will open the gene pool up and ull end up with shit that the original breeders tried to breed out . basicly undoing all the work of the original breeder.

 

[guy fawkes]

depending on the make up of the plant your basically starting a bx.ibl'ing project if you looking to isolate certain phenos you find desirable and put that particular plant in seed form.. i think lol

 

[exploziv]

are we talking about breeding landrace afghani with landrace afghani (inbreeding) or afghani landrace with other genetics (outbreeding)?

inbreeding = what I said 1 post up.
outbreeding = what you said in your last post, above.

 

[BasementGrower]

i did both. i left a clone of the afghan female in the mix.. with 21 other female clones of different strains. n put the male in there to pollinate them all.. im only asking if the afghan x afghan seeds will be like more stable or not.
the other 21 crosses how will it work with them.. get some more the female.. some more like the male.. n some inbetweeners.?

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy BG

how you do?

with respect to inbreeding within a variety such Afghani, is possible to perhap lose various genetic alleles and recombinitions at when select away from utilizing the total population
such loss is benefit with respect to seed maker and breeder to select for such
such loss is not benefit with respect to preserve total allele and possible genetic recombinations

indeed such allele and genetic loss result of selection away from such often is intentional for create more narrow truebreeding traits, such to stabilize specific traits

some select with purpose to select away from this or that trait, others select only to include this or that trait

this afghani seed you are to have are select at some degree before even reach to you, such to think this sample population is already a touch selected towards or selected away from this or that traits

without to know sample population size of seeds before you are to source such is difficult for know such degree of variability

perhap this Afghani seed is of actual selected landrace of farmers this land Afghan, or perhap is seed of Afghani of indoor seed create

with respect to both indoor seed create or selected landrace of farmers this land Afghan, at how many seed parent inputs are contain within this seed creation?

with such seedy seed business this days, am keen to think anything is possible and at where to start with respect to sourced sachets of seed is near mystery

at when keeping a line pure inbreeding at when specimens and traits are limited with input a narrower true breeding type start to form

without to know at where such and such a line is or at how selected am keen to think for preservation include as many male and female inputs with desirable characteristics as you are to like

keep with mind at how traits blend is unique
is not that only models have children to become a model
sometimes a few outcast specimens at when put together make magic

at what is F1 and such many choose various distinctions
F1 hybrid is make of distinctly separate lines
F1 generation with respect to inbreeding a line

each to title F1 and important notation such hybrid or inbreeding

is easy to title a cat a dog, but does it bark or meow? hehehe

F1 hybrid result with progency a specific ratio and also such hybrid vigour
F1 inbreed result with goal for stabilize more specific traits and genetic recombinations

am not to suggest a method over another method
enjoy cannabis and the seed
she love you

positive vibrations

 

[BasementGrower]

howdy BG

how you do?

with respect to inbreeding within a variety such Afghani, is possible to perhap lose various genetic alleles and recombinitions at when select away from utilizing the total population
such loss is benefit with respect to seed maker and breeder to select for such
such loss is not benefit with respect to preserve total allele and possible genetic recombinations

indeed such allele and genetic loss result of selection away from such often is intentional for create more narrow truebreeding traits, such to stabilize specific traits

some select with purpose to select away from this or that trait, others select only to include this or that trait

this afghani seed you are to have are select at some degree before even reach to you, such to think this sample population is already a touch selected towards or selected away from this or that traits

without to know sample population size of seeds before you are to source such is difficult for know such degree of variability

perhap this Afghani seed is of actual selected landrace of farmers this land Afghan, or perhap is seed of Afghani of indoor seed create

with respect to both indoor seed create or selected landrace of farmers this land Afghan, at how many seed parent inputs are contain within this seed creation?

with such seedy seed business this days, am keen to think anything is possible and at where to start with respect to sourced sachets of seed is near mystery

at when keeping a line pure inbreeding at when specimens and traits are limited with input a narrower true breeding type start to form

without to know at where such and such a line is or at how selected am keen to think for preservation include as many male and female inputs with desirable characteristics as you are to like

keep with mind at how traits blend is unique
is not that only models have children to become a model
sometimes a few outcast specimens at when put together make magic

at what is F1 and such many choose various distinctions
F1 hybrid is make of distinctly separate lines
F1 generation with respect to inbreeding a line

each to title F1 and important notation such hybrid or inbreeding

is easy to title a cat a dog, but does it bark or meow? hehehe

F1 hybrid result with progency a specific ratio and also such hybrid vigour
F1 inbreed result with goal for stabilize more specific traits and genetic recombinations

am not to suggest a method over another method
enjoy cannabis and the seed
she love you

positive vibrations

y thank you for taking the time to type this out . i appreciate it . i am doing lots of research in the subject..

but anyways. another question

ok .. so say i HAVE a decent amount of strains. in the Female Clone form...
id like to save some of these strains without having to do toooo much work.. in the sense of i just want to make some seeds that i will continue to use for indoor ops.. and be satisfied with the results...

i guess what i mean is.. whats the easiest way to make a Clone Only Plant.. into SeedForm so that u could end up finding something extremely close to that mom later on in life?

should i Self every single plant that i want to keep ? meaning taking 2 clones of each strain.. spraying 1 with CS.. and pollinating the other? which would take a long time to do 22 strains! ? with C.Silver?

Find a Male of another strain that i think could compliment most of the strains it pollinates.? making some crosses and then just look threw them for a mother at a later time.

or ? any one have any ideas on how to keep these strains without having to have a mother room ? id like to have them in seed form so that if need be. i could flower everything out. pack up and move and not have to worry about transporting a bunch of clones around.

 

[exploziv]

i did both. i left a clone of the afghan female in the mix.. with 21 other female clones of different strains. n put the male in there to pollinate them all.. im only asking if the afghan x afghan seeds will be like more stable or not.
the other 21 crosses how will it work with them.. get some more the female.. some more like the male.. n some inbetweeners.?

yes, if they were landrace then afghani x afghani should be pretty similar to the parents.

with the other ones it's hard to say, the more different they were one from another from a genetic point of view the more variation you will get in the offspring.

 

[BasementGrower]

and another thing.. is there such thing as a male plant that would not pass on any of its genetics really or maybe make them more reccessive?

like outcrossing to a male that wont add much to anything at all if thats even possible.

i have some females i dont wana change.. but then i have some females that would be extremely cool to mix and match em

 

[BasementGrower]

yes, if they were landrace then afghani x afghani should be pretty similar to the parents.

with the other ones it's hard to say, the more different they were one from another from a genetic point of view the more variation you will get in the offspring.

in the other crosses.. will i be able to find plants that are very similar to the mother plants.. or are they all going to be a mix match and it will be extremely difficult to find one plant like the mom it came from ?

 

[Builtaforest]

Lot of hearsay/misconceptions/half truths in here...

Make the crosses and just observe for yourself.

Obv cull according to your own,criteria of which there is no wrong

baf

 

[exploziv]

It's all about numbers, if you run enaugh plants from those seeds, then you could find something similar to the mother, at least for one of the traits you're after. You could also find a better version of the mother you used. Selection and growing lots of plants from the seeds you make are the keys to finding what you want.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

y thank you for taking the time to type this out . i appreciate it . i am doing lots of research in the subject..

but anyways. another question

ok .. so say i HAVE a decent amount of strains. in the Female Clone form...
id like to save some of these strains without having to do toooo much work.. in the sense of i just want to make some seeds that i will continue to use for indoor ops.. and be satisfied with the results...

i guess what i mean is.. whats the easiest way to make a Clone Only Plant.. into SeedForm so that u could end up finding something extremely close to that mom later on in life?

should i Self every single plant that i want to keep ? meaning taking 2 clones of each strain.. spraying 1 with CS.. and pollinating the other? which would take a long time to do 22 strains! ? with C.Silver?

Find a Male of another strain that i think could compliment most of the strains it pollinates.? making some crosses and then just look threw them for a mother at a later time.

or ? any one have any ideas on how to keep these strains without having to have a mother room ? id like to have them in seed form so that if need be. i could flower everything out. pack up and move and not have to worry about transporting a bunch of clones around.

Selfing is your best option I guess. Else U'll have to bx quite a few times, with a lot of selection process to end up with seeds that represent the clones as closer as possible.

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy BG

how you do?

respect to you passion for love cannabis!

at when to love something never we want for it to vanish
indeed

with respect to you perspective good on you for thinks with respect to unique preference

you are to mention, without having do toooo much work, hehehe
such insight into preference and individual goals and statistical prognency trends

you main goal for recreate such elite clone only specimens you are to love....hehehe such is the journey within this universe

with respect to at what degree you are to find success depend with individual preference and taste, also with which frequency and probability you wish to store within seed specific traits

am not to preference you at how to approach as you can do all of which you describe, without to test progency is similar to create recipes for food and never to taste the food

am agree to Builtaforest such to make crosses and observe to youself
test progency
also am keen to think analysis and breeding technique for research to help make most efficient the effort and energy you wish to input for such specific goals unique to you preference
is not so simple to utilize the best and best and best and best

rather test, test, test, test

test across various avenues at how to respond

indeed am thinks you are to know this and wish for the recipe of success however is not such recipe

analysis to such natural forms illustrate proper, many feminized seedbanks and at which frequency such ratios of success appear

at where success is to be found is not without love and energy input, such input become fabric to create object to desires

pardon am not to discuss more specific to your questions am not much familiar to experience with cs

great discussions within icmag such topic also great discussions within various communities

without to link pdf such academic journal research and authored book within icmag prehistoric topics still to maintain wealth of informations
such

Select or Open Pollination to make F2's
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=86477

what constitutes a IBL(in-bread line)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=62463

such topic lack cohesive discussion as such similar unchart waters, you are pioneer, and pirate! respect

always research with respect to bias and unique experience
am keen to suggest Principles of Plant Breeding authored feller Allard

many great publications and pdf journal research specific to advance technique for specific goal
such research of Chandra and ElSohly

such to include synthetic encapsulated seed, am keen to think laymens such tissue culture

more future technique perhap actual clone recreate of synthetic material of total specimen! such GMO am keen to adapt hehehe with only cannabis parts....such specific for create exact synthetic replica to a desired specimen

sail pirate, and love the unchart water
perhap with chinese whisper of similar pirate to focus you energy to grow love

positive vibrations