johnnyrotten
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Yeah, I saw a couple of people doing a root prune similar to a mother plant, seen others not so it because they thought it would shock it to much... I'm gonna cut the roots down... They won't need em all!
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Yeah, I saw a couple of people doing a root prune similar to a mother plant, seen others not so it because they thought it would shock it to much... I'm gonna cut the roots down... They won't need em all!
I harvest the entire top 90% leaving the little buds w greenest leaves. I did this a few months back only intending to clone, not re-flower since I left very little. She was started in a 4x4 RW cube the put into a 2 gal bucket for flwr. I ripped just the 4x4 RW cube out and placed her in a another 2 gal pot of Sunshine #4 since I couldn't hassle w a E&F just for her. Cloned her, threw her the corner and she grew. So I decided I might flower her. Did some super cropping and put her in a 2x3 scrog and recently harvested well over 6 oz of tops off her. plus a big ole bag of larf.
yup...sounds right on MediCal.....theres allot of ways to skin a horse...err a sheep...a moose?....but yup its really kewl when ya pull it off and some pump out 2-3x the the form and colas = more weight...
Best part about reveggies is if ya do it right..it will put out like nothing else..
hey johnny I think Wally is still here man!....check out the Wizards of Oz forum...perty sure thats Wally(Donald)...and heres a cat running out some Ducks atm to...good stuff...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5467657#post5467657
FOE20
Best part about reveggies is if ya do it right..it will put out like nothing else..
hey johnny I think Wally is still here man!....check out the Wizards of Oz forum...perty sure thats Wally(Donald)...and heres a cat running out some Ducks atm to...good stuff...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5467657#post5467657
FOE20
johnnyrotten
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Yeah, I started flushing both of them... They have 50% amber pistils, about 20% amber trichs and the buds are starting to look like little pine cones... I'm hoping that some of the lower buds plump up but these huge leaves don't let much light through...
I'm hoping that in the next 1-2 weeks that she uses up some of her stored nutes and plumps up a little more without fox tailing... Which I know is possible with all the green still left on her...
Here is a question for everybody, will the white pistils on the lower buds continue to get brown and suck back into the buds when I am flushing her? Or the top for that matter...
I'm hoping that in the next 1-2 weeks that she uses up some of her stored nutes and plumps up a little more without fox tailing... Which I know is possible with all the green still left on her...
Here is a question for everybody, will the white pistils on the lower buds continue to get brown and suck back into the buds when I am flushing her? Or the top for that matter...
don;t sweat it to much johnny...I mentioned that stuff so you can get a feel for how far ahead you need to think about what you feed them for them to dev properly..
thats why I gave a particular outline..if you go to far out of that theory you will get a few who knows..
and yea as long as you feed in some level those lowers will get fuller if the pistiles remain living..If you go to Hard on P-K now the lower buds will Seize..the upper cola will mature very fast giving the lower ends no power to keep on rollin cause the Colas will literally suck the life outa the plant...Remove some of the upper largest foliage to allot light into the lower ranges..wont hurt it a bit...idea is still slow and easy man..time to be most virtuous...
btw Cannabis is a Top down plant...this means it grows/matures from top moving down...If the upper colas do dev to fast and finish well you can remove and keep flowering the lower budsites as well..Your better off learning how to grow the Entire plant instead of just watching the top colas..this is what you been waiting on so hold ground and don't push um..that is key if you want a plant to the level of maturity were striving for....I think if we do this correctly the end result will be some of the best herb you've ever had...can't hurry that cure either so just relax..plenty of time to kill yet brah...
keep um rollin
FOE20
thats why I gave a particular outline..if you go to far out of that theory you will get a few who knows..
and yea as long as you feed in some level those lowers will get fuller if the pistiles remain living..If you go to Hard on P-K now the lower buds will Seize..the upper cola will mature very fast giving the lower ends no power to keep on rollin cause the Colas will literally suck the life outa the plant...Remove some of the upper largest foliage to allot light into the lower ranges..wont hurt it a bit...idea is still slow and easy man..time to be most virtuous...
btw Cannabis is a Top down plant...this means it grows/matures from top moving down...If the upper colas do dev to fast and finish well you can remove and keep flowering the lower budsites as well..Your better off learning how to grow the Entire plant instead of just watching the top colas..this is what you been waiting on so hold ground and don't push um..that is key if you want a plant to the level of maturity were striving for....I think if we do this correctly the end result will be some of the best herb you've ever had...can't hurry that cure either so just relax..plenty of time to kill yet brah...
keep um rollin
FOE20
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johnnyrotten
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Yeah, I went back in and looked at them, I'm gonna keep feeding them at a reduced strength for a little longer before starting a full flush... The calyxs are plumping up nicely and I've pulled the fans off the top... They just don't look as done as I want them... I've got plenty of time
johnnyrotten
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Here they are at 63 days... Started flushing them today...
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man she sure looks a lil dark still...are you just gana see what happens or you sure you wana flush now?..
I think your being in a hurry...their to dark and a flush will Un-lock that reserve N and your gana get a grip of new growth...not flower maturity and ripening...do a real good flush almost to the point of 2x...so your leaching the root bios of most of the food now..
I believe you still have N stored in the mix as well as the plants..
so after a really good flush then go back to feeding a lil P-K only...and you want a formula like 0-3-6+carbs....Your calyx's aren't swelling enough yet as you will get more bud than leaf...you have least 1-2wks left bro which may of been a week or 2 less if the N ratio was kept more at bay..
patience bro...patience...
FOE20
I think your being in a hurry...their to dark and a flush will Un-lock that reserve N and your gana get a grip of new growth...not flower maturity and ripening...do a real good flush almost to the point of 2x...so your leaching the root bios of most of the food now..
I believe you still have N stored in the mix as well as the plants..
so after a really good flush then go back to feeding a lil P-K only...and you want a formula like 0-3-6+carbs....Your calyx's aren't swelling enough yet as you will get more bud than leaf...you have least 1-2wks left bro which may of been a week or 2 less if the N ratio was kept more at bay..
patience bro...patience...
FOE20
johnnyrotten
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The reason I'm flushing them is to get rid of the nutes stored in the coco... I'm not doing a full flush with final phase or anything like that...I'm just giving her RO water until runoff...so, I can still get her some carbs and pk booster in there like you suggest...
I know I want to reveg them, take clones...and run them at a much lower nute strength...I'm sure they will turn out better... Sometimes I think they could survive on nothing but my tap water... I love the way they look and smell, which I saw a picture of a chem 4 and the structure was almost identical to the ducks, only it had regular leaves...
And yeah, I think your right about the extra N extending flowering...lesson learned, getting ready to run them again using this knowledge I've been feeding them Jacks at 450 ppm and I had to prune them down, the clones were almost 3 ft and turning the closet into a jungle...
I know I want to reveg them, take clones...and run them at a much lower nute strength...I'm sure they will turn out better... Sometimes I think they could survive on nothing but my tap water... I love the way they look and smell, which I saw a picture of a chem 4 and the structure was almost identical to the ducks, only it had regular leaves...
And yeah, I think your right about the extra N extending flowering...lesson learned, getting ready to run them again using this knowledge
I've been feeding them Jacks at 450 ppm and I had to prune them down, the clones were almost 3 ft and turning the closet into a jungle...
kewl man...Im gana try a lil diff formula on mine cause mine def shoots like mad..gata lil BushMaster to try next set myself...but yea bro its your grow so just take what Im sayin as talkin shop...you gata make your calls..all good man and keep um rollin
FOE20
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johnnyrotten
Member
No problem man, I'm cutting the Romulan tomorrow... Hope it turns out ok...
Ducks gonna be another week or two...
Ducks gonna be another week or two...
johnnyrotten
Member
So, Duck 2 is getting a lighter green but her buds are really plumping up... They look like little grenades now... This plant is gonna be great!
sounds proper johnny.....Im gana try and lay a cooking analogy on you and see if it relates for ya...Its a odd way of looking at it but may help show why I follow these certain paths..
You ever cook a steak?......To me most steaks are perfect or Best at Mid-Rare to Medium..
When we cook a steak it takes a while for it to reach Mid-rare...But once it does reach mid-rare it will cook to Medium faster...and from Med to Mid-Well even faster and be Well in no time after that...Point is it takes a while to get it to Perfect..It takes shorter time for it to become well done from Med than it does from Raw to Mid_rare(cool pink) to Medium(warm Pink)..
Now lets apply this to Growing herb...
Canna if its pulled early or immature its like a Rare steak...just not done..
When its Mid-rare, leached well and perfectly Ripe...Its best...and note after it hits that Rare point and has been cooking it will Cook faster...So when you flushed with P-K we forced its diet to Ripening...Not growing anymore..Buds swell and ripen and no new growth except for a hopefully denser resin population..
If we miss this Ripening point then it will degrade quickly just like a steak will become more tough...same with curing after its done...
So to me a plant in veg and early bloom is only cookin...now bout 7-9wks is that Window for most types..but they hit that MidRare perfect mark by the way they react to your room and nutes..Now since some pref a more done steak its kewl to go Med or Mid_well even (a lil over mature to very over mature)..But as your resins are reaching that clear to cloudy it will take longer before it reaches cloudy to amber stage...this is the cookin part...Even to you may see Cloudy come on sooner than Ambers do not let it be the time stamp for the maturity of the plant....Just wait and keep checkin both resins and the way the buds form and dense up as it progresses..I pull only at 100% coudy with a lil Amber showing...Some Sat dome I pref to pick sooner at the 10%clear/90%cloudy and only a few random ambers...Mixed varieties I pref a mix profile, mostly cloudy with a few more Ambers and no clear if I can avoid it....For Indicas and varieties I feel need ot be very mature I let the resins mature to almost 20% ambers....Now just remember that Indicas which resins will mature faster will need to be flowered that much faster so the buds and the resins mature at the same time...Same with Mixed except we slow the process down more which allows for the resins to mature slower and help the buds mature and ripen properly...True Sativas are hard to get to fully mature and this is mainly cause of how we feed and the way people force these flower times and ripening windows...Its hard to plot a garden with mixed varieties just because of this entire situation..Which would leave them harvesting 2-3x during a a set...and why allot don't grow true Sats anymore and most follow some time line or feed schedule...Talk to your plants...watch them..and grow with them..
But thats bout it and glad its doing what it should be...unleashing that N is a big part but when you do that without a slight P-K boost it can get wooly fast..heh....
If you do another thread after this and not in the infirmary than I'd like to follow the Rom grow to...all good stuff man and keep it rollin
FOE20
You ever cook a steak?......To me most steaks are perfect or Best at Mid-Rare to Medium..
When we cook a steak it takes a while for it to reach Mid-rare...But once it does reach mid-rare it will cook to Medium faster...and from Med to Mid-Well even faster and be Well in no time after that...Point is it takes a while to get it to Perfect..It takes shorter time for it to become well done from Med than it does from Raw to Mid_rare(cool pink) to Medium(warm Pink)..
Now lets apply this to Growing herb...
Canna if its pulled early or immature its like a Rare steak...just not done..
When its Mid-rare, leached well and perfectly Ripe...Its best...and note after it hits that Rare point and has been cooking it will Cook faster...So when you flushed with P-K we forced its diet to Ripening...Not growing anymore..Buds swell and ripen and no new growth except for a hopefully denser resin population..
If we miss this Ripening point then it will degrade quickly just like a steak will become more tough...same with curing after its done...
So to me a plant in veg and early bloom is only cookin...now bout 7-9wks is that Window for most types..but they hit that MidRare perfect mark by the way they react to your room and nutes..Now since some pref a more done steak its kewl to go Med or Mid_well even (a lil over mature to very over mature)..But as your resins are reaching that clear to cloudy it will take longer before it reaches cloudy to amber stage...this is the cookin part...Even to you may see Cloudy come on sooner than Ambers do not let it be the time stamp for the maturity of the plant....Just wait and keep checkin both resins and the way the buds form and dense up as it progresses..I pull only at 100% coudy with a lil Amber showing...Some Sat dome I pref to pick sooner at the 10%clear/90%cloudy and only a few random ambers...Mixed varieties I pref a mix profile, mostly cloudy with a few more Ambers and no clear if I can avoid it....For Indicas and varieties I feel need ot be very mature I let the resins mature to almost 20% ambers....Now just remember that Indicas which resins will mature faster will need to be flowered that much faster so the buds and the resins mature at the same time...Same with Mixed except we slow the process down more which allows for the resins to mature slower and help the buds mature and ripen properly...True Sativas are hard to get to fully mature and this is mainly cause of how we feed and the way people force these flower times and ripening windows...Its hard to plot a garden with mixed varieties just because of this entire situation..Which would leave them harvesting 2-3x during a a set...and why allot don't grow true Sats anymore and most follow some time line or feed schedule...Talk to your plants...watch them..and grow with them..
But thats bout it and glad its doing what it should be...unleashing that N is a big part but when you do that without a slight P-K boost it can get wooly fast..heh....
If you do another thread after this and not in the infirmary than I'd like to follow the Rom grow to...all good stuff man and keep it rollin
FOE20
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huarmiquilla
howdy johnnyrotten
howdy FOE20
how is yours universes?
lovely topic this webbed trait
incredible discussions and thank you each to share such great perspective
funky herbs within webbed ducksfoot varieties
one perspective for such webbed traits for expression within hybrid is more rare for single mating, but not for think impossible
with respect to such, am keen to think this webbed trait more possible for expression of trait such backcross a hybrid to duck traits again or perhap polyhybrid with multiple webbed trait inputs
perhap not ideal for narrow down at which line is to contribute such trait
pokololo ducks indeed
oz ducks indeed
afghani ducks of sam? am not read much this topics perhap indeed?
am read journal research with seed aquired of hortapharm for such analysis and indeed within such analysis to contain specimens of ducksfoot
The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L.
I am keen for more analysis and trait discussion of sam and such afghani webbed traits
thank you for such lovely topic and to share webbed traits
am keen to think perhap is indeed alternate variety of webbed with respect to at how heavy they are to grow indoors such illustrations to appear
traditional ducksfoot without great selection is difficult for garden indoor
one perspective with selection and hybridize and backcross and selection perhap indeed great indoor webbed traits to select and stack but such is only for speculate
respect to sam to share gratis excellent genetic such mixed seed freebie
respect johnny to share such webbed specimens
respect FOE20 to share such passion and love to webbed trait specimens
positive vibrations
howdy FOE20
how is yours universes?
lovely topic this webbed trait
incredible discussions and thank you each to share such great perspective
funky herbs within webbed ducksfoot varieties
one perspective for such webbed traits for expression within hybrid is more rare for single mating, but not for think impossible
with respect to such, am keen to think this webbed trait more possible for expression of trait such backcross a hybrid to duck traits again or perhap polyhybrid with multiple webbed trait inputs
perhap not ideal for narrow down at which line is to contribute such trait
pokololo ducks indeed
oz ducks indeed
afghani ducks of sam? am not read much this topics perhap indeed?
am read journal research with seed aquired of hortapharm for such analysis and indeed within such analysis to contain specimens of ducksfoot
The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L.
I am keen for more analysis and trait discussion of sam and such afghani webbed traits
thank you for such lovely topic and to share webbed traits
am keen to think perhap is indeed alternate variety of webbed with respect to at how heavy they are to grow indoors such illustrations to appear
traditional ducksfoot without great selection is difficult for garden indoor
one perspective with selection and hybridize and backcross and selection perhap indeed great indoor webbed traits to select and stack but such is only for speculate
respect to sam to share gratis excellent genetic such mixed seed freebie
respect johnny to share such webbed specimens
respect FOE20 to share such passion and love to webbed trait specimens
positive vibrations
johnnyrotten
Member
Hey Foe, I just cut down the Romulan... She finished up really nicely after trimming, the leaves were tough to trim but now I've got a great pile to make butter with... Here is the thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=246621
johnnyrotten
Member
Howdy,
This has been quite a thread... Too think. I got two of them from 10 seeds... They look like kush plants with ducksfoot leaves...
Here is the thread of the grow...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=246621
aloha huarmiquilla and mahalo...Im not sure if Im going to breed with these webbed plants or not myself yet...Potency will play the biggest role in that for me...But I'll be messing with it and really the Webbed seed I had showed a nice variation but still all were webbed..Im pretty sure Ducksfoot was Aussi to start and ended up in the Islands..but either way it is a old pokololo type from what Ive heard to...but called HawIndica...which Sam would of known it by...all great herb tho...and i am a true pokololo fan indeed bradda...aloha!
sorry johnny what I posted may of been a lil loose...look at the entire cycle of a plants life like your gana cook that steak..heh...
We grow them out for anywhere from 3-8wks in veg..flower them for 8-10+wks...
So in the full cycle I see it as were just growin it till about 2wks in bloom..a total of about 1/2 or bit over 1/2 its expected life..
Then buds start and were flowering so the next part of the cycle is shorter...flowers for 5-7wks...then we flush for another 1-3wks...
So soon as it flowers its grown like a fruit to close to ripeness as possible..But it will ripen quickly if more Indica dom and slower the more Sat dom it is..
heh.....man Im half blazed on bubble today so a lil long winded as usual...
I'll check the other thread man...and keep rollin
FOE20
sorry johnny what I posted may of been a lil loose...look at the entire cycle of a plants life like your gana cook that steak..heh...
We grow them out for anywhere from 3-8wks in veg..flower them for 8-10+wks...
So in the full cycle I see it as were just growin it till about 2wks in bloom..a total of about 1/2 or bit over 1/2 its expected life..
Then buds start and were flowering so the next part of the cycle is shorter...flowers for 5-7wks...then we flush for another 1-3wks...
So soon as it flowers its grown like a fruit to close to ripeness as possible..But it will ripen quickly if more Indica dom and slower the more Sat dom it is..
heh.....man Im half blazed on bubble today so a lil long winded as usual...
I'll check the other thread man...and keep rollin
FOE20
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johnnyrotten
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Yeah, I'm really starting to see how they ripen now... I think the ducks will look incredible and ready to come down in two weeks... Maybe sooner, I just keep watching them and now I can actually see what everybody means by calyx swelling and other stuff... It's really amazing!
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huarmiquilla
howdy johnny
how you do?
thank you to link, and indeed is incredible for thinks you sucess for ducks with respect to sample size
special specimens with love for special humans with love
much respect johnny
howdy FOE20
how you do?
aloha and thank to you for share passion with respect to webbed trait specimens such ducksfoot and HawIndica
indeed am keen to think similar with respect to some fellers or ladies of oz to voyage such migration and such to acclimate within the islands and within the care of loving gardeners of pokololo
unique terroir for coax unique webbed line
special webbed traits indeed
with respect to you webbed variety
such uniform webbed trait also within hybrids and various crosses?
am keen to research various variety for perhap coax or double up recessive webbed traits
this moments am think bluesatellite or some such blue variety at when put to ducksfoot within initial generation to exibit webbed traits
i am keen to think usual is to search within f2 generation such webbed traits at when cross to not webbed specimens and not webbed lines
also to consider what not appear webbed, perhap within latent and recessive webbed genetics
positive vibrations
how you do?
thank you to link, and indeed is incredible for thinks you sucess for ducks with respect to sample size
special specimens with love for special humans with love
much respect johnny
howdy FOE20
how you do?
aloha and thank to you for share passion with respect to webbed trait specimens such ducksfoot and HawIndica
indeed am keen to think similar with respect to some fellers or ladies of oz to voyage such migration and such to acclimate within the islands and within the care of loving gardeners of pokololo
unique terroir for coax unique webbed line
special webbed traits indeed
with respect to you webbed variety
such uniform webbed trait also within hybrids and various crosses?
am keen to research various variety for perhap coax or double up recessive webbed traits
this moments am think bluesatellite or some such blue variety at when put to ducksfoot within initial generation to exibit webbed traits
i am keen to think usual is to search within f2 generation such webbed traits at when cross to not webbed specimens and not webbed lines
also to consider what not appear webbed, perhap within latent and recessive webbed genetics
positive vibrations
luvaduck
Active member
indeed am keen to think similar with respect to some fellers or ladies of oz to voyage such migration and such to acclimate within the islands and within the care of loving gardeners of pokololo
I have come to similar conclusions myself. Except the other way. I think one possibility is that the genetics were smuggled into northern australia via light aeroplane or sailing vessel. Both were operating in the 80's and 90's in north queensland, and strawberry web had been around the hawiian islands since the 70's. Any research I have done shows no evidence of Ducksfoot in Australia prior to the late 80's.
this moments am think bluesatellite or some such blue variety at when put to ducksfoot within initial generation to exibit webbed traits
Wally has done this cross several years back, used blue satellite 2.2 i think. This is the line my form of webbed plants originates from. Wally has said somewhere before that the F1's dont normally show webbing, however I swear I have seen it. Not much though, maybe 1 in 10. This may depend on the strenghth of the parent genes?
I have come to similar conclusions myself. Except the other way. I think one possibility is that the genetics were smuggled into northern australia via light aeroplane or sailing vessel. Both were operating in the 80's and 90's in north queensland, and strawberry web had been around the hawiian islands since the 70's. Any research I have done shows no evidence of Ducksfoot in Australia prior to the late 80's.
this moments am think bluesatellite or some such blue variety at when put to ducksfoot within initial generation to exibit webbed traits
Wally has done this cross several years back, used blue satellite 2.2 i think. This is the line my form of webbed plants originates from. Wally has said somewhere before that the F1's dont normally show webbing, however I swear I have seen it. Not much though, maybe 1 in 10. This may depend on the strenghth of the parent genes?
