AN Badass bulbs vs Eye Hortilux

[Talonted]

About 8months ago i was in my local hydro shop and noticed a new bulb on the shelf made by advanced nutrients called the badass. i have been buying a few different bulbs but have mainly stuck with the hortilux. I took the opportunity and bought one badass and one hortilux and did a side by side in the same room. the hortilux was 140cdn and the badass was 80cdn

The badass bulb claims that its intensity out does other bulbs but its still just a Chinese bulb that they use. after 8months i must say that it does look brighter than the hortilux but the yield has been relatively similar through out the last 3 runs.

Has anyone ever tried or done a side by side with these advanced bulbs?

 

[RomulusUSA]

You run your bulbs for 8mo? @ 12hr I assume? That's a long time. Do you see yield decrease over that length of time? I'm sitting at 6 months now and was going to toss in a new bulb before flowering the next run.

Sorry no input re the AN bulbs, I haven't seen them down here and my store carries AN stuff. I shall ask.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

everyone one i know has had horrible expierence with anything badass... that being said not sure about bulbs...

 

[MIway]

Whether or not it's true...? But the an rep suggested it is a Phillips made bulb. I don't trust anything that guy says, but those were the sounds his mouth made.

 

[Talonted]

You run your bulbs for 8mo? @ 12hr I assume? That's a long time. Do you see yield decrease over that length of time? I'm sitting at 6 months now and was going to toss in a new bulb before flowering the next run.

Sorry no input re the AN bulbs, I haven't seen them down here and my store carries AN stuff. I shall ask.

No, i use bulbs for 2 flower cycles then keep them lying around for spares and the oldest get tossed. I just thought i would ask now that i have been through and tried it, what other people thought of them. The spectrum is noticeably lighter in the orange spectrum vs the nice Hortilux glow. If i plug both the AN bulb and the Hortilux bulb in now that were bought on the same day and run for the same amount of hours. i cannot tell any differences. i was hoping maybe someone had measured the lumens after each 2mon cycle to see how they drop compared to what the box says.

The big idea behind this is i can buy 6 AN bulbs for the price of 3 Hortilux bulbs. I have solarmax bulbs and plantmax bulbs and they are cheapo's but it is very obvious visually as they get older.

I never noticed any weight difference but i did notice that on the outer edges of each table there was more light penetration with the AN bulb but the glass is thin as f@#K as where the hortilux has a thicker glass and a better supported arc tube. I would assume in the end the AN will die first cause it looks cheaper made but if you are switching them out twice as often you may see a better yield.

 

[RomulusUSA]

Gotcha re time frame. I was researching rated light fall off over time, and it seems like HPS' are rated at 5% per 6k hours. Two runs is about 1400-1700hr depending on your run time. I am going to buy another bulb before my next run, as well as a Lux meter, and we shall see how it works out. I'll def post data on that once I have it. My current Horti is roughly 3400hr old (3 runs, plus some 24hr veg time, as I didn't know where my MH went... and my new one in stuck in transit..)

 

[Talonted]

ya bud, there we go. keep me posted!

 

[rangergord]

Whether or not it's true...? But the an rep suggested it is a Phillips made bulb. I don't trust anything that guy says, but those were the sounds his mouth made.

How can you tell an AN Sales Rep is lying? His lips are moving! LOL!

I doubt it is a phillips bulb. It is more likely a custom made chinese bulb. Chinese bulbs sell for $25. Put the name BADASS on them and there is much more room for profit. Seriously can anyone prove a light bulb produced X grams more bud than another bulb? I doubt it.

 

[Tela]

Badass bulbs are Chinese. Hortiluxes are manufactured in Ohio. I prefer American made. It's worth the 80 bucks for hortiluxes.

 

[mpd]

Hortilux is always going to deliver a satisfactory growing experience and that is a value in and of itself.

 

[Talonted]

I agree, i was just curious if anyone else had any hands on with these "badass" bulbs, while having previous experience using hortilux bulbs. AN claims better spectrum and longer life than hortilux. So far in my studies i cant really prove who the champ is. Ultimately i choose to stay with the hortilux.

 

[RomulusUSA]

Badass bulbs are Chinese. Hortiluxes are manufactured in Ohio. I prefer American made. It's worth the 80 bucks for hortiluxes.

I did not know that. I will happily shell out the money for USA made Horti's! My cost is a little less than that for HPS, but MH is around $165! So spendy..

ya bud, there we go. keep me posted!

I'm glad this got reposted in, I had forgotten to post numbers. I am estimating my old bulb had around 3,024hr (Could be up to 168 more on it, but unlikely) on it, and its an LU1000B. I used a DRDigital 200k Lux Meter to measure the bulbs, and I measured both at a distance of 23" from bottom of hood glass to surface the meter was set on, so about 21.5" to top of meter. We will call it 23" for repeatability (I plan to do this after this flower cycle, I love data). The lamp was warmed up for about 2hr before I took readings, and temps were consistent in both the hoods and environments.

My readings were in LUX, and I am not entirely sure how to convert them to a meaningful Lumen reading. Either way, the old bulb read 42,000 LUX and the new bulb (12hr on it, I swapped it after taking the old bulb reading, and tested the new bulb the next day at the same time) read 45,000 LUX. This is a 6.7% decrease in output, which is a bit more than with what I found HPS bulbs are usually rated at, according to the American Electric Lighting Servicing Guide. This guide shows that I should see a loss of roughly 2.5% over 3,024 hours.

Either way, I'm seeing a 6.7% decrease in light output, and I have gotten 252 12/12 days of use out of the bulb, or over 3 runs. I will measure and make judgement's (and a post) once this run is done and we shall see about replacing it again. I think I will use the bulb for at least 2 runs if not 3. It will also not be used in 24hr use again, as I am finally buying a new MH for my next veg cycle. Old one is really old and new one seemed pretty expensive / cheaper option didn't fit my hood, so HPS was used...

 

[the gnome]

I used these cheepo HPS 1000w bulbs i got in a gro kit.
probably around $30bux's
ran across this thread at another [url+http://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/355137-think-your-bulb-doesnt-matter.html]canna site[/url] and decided(fell for it) to bite the bullet and buy 2 of these expensive ass super hps horti eye bulbs.
side x side against my cheepo's there was no difference...nadda....zero.
I ran them in several gro's etc etc and they do no better than the cheep ass bulbs
they put in these package deals with all no-name equipment.

womnder how much that gut was compensated for his *side x side* test

 

[RomulusUSA]

Gnome, can you expand on what brand/type of cheapo HPS bulbs you have used? I'm happy with Horti's and will likely keep using them, but I'd try a cheapo and see how it works..

 

[vStagger Leev]

You run your bulbs for 8mo? @ 12hr I assume? That's a long time. Do you see yield decrease over that length of time? I'm sitting at 6 months now and was going to toss in a new bulb before flowering the next run.

Sorry no input re the AN bulbs, I haven't seen them down here and my store carries AN stuff. I shall ask.

I've used the same Hortilux bulb for over a year before with NO notice in my yield decreasing, while still pulling down 13oz plants no problem. Replacing them every 6 months seems like a giant waste of money, and a good bulb that could still grow plants for a good 3 more go's. My SL

 

[RomulusUSA]

I've used the same Hortilux bulb for over a year before with NO notice in my yield decreasing, while still pulling down 13oz plants no problem. Replacing them every 6 months seems like a giant waste of money, and a good bulb that could still grow plants for a good 3 more go's. My SL

I like to hear your input on this matter. I have basically no opinion. I am seeing a minimal amount of light loss over the hours ran, and likely would be better off using the old bulb longer. I have the new one in and will run it for this run and will measure at harvest.

 

[ledgrow]

I just got a Gavita pro plus 1000e EL double ended bulb, ran with a regular E ballast, and I use a regular double ended hood, not Gavita.

at 3.5 feet away, it gets 40,000 lux when the ballast is at 100%.

at 2 feet away 100,000 lux

These bulbs are insane. The footprint is huge also at 2 feet away.

The growth rate is insane so far.

I haven't owned it long enough to see how much it degrades over time, but the claim is only 5-10% for the first 10,000 hours or something.

 

[stasis]

I had a USHIO 1K bulb hps. so I set it up, whereas I normally use Horti's, 600's. I liked the bright ness amd spectrum on the Ushio so much I looked into 600's, and they are considerably less expensive than Horti's. Now out of two rooms, one has new Hortilux 600s and one room has a new Ushio 1K and a new Ushio 600w. Will compare results. Same ballast models used on all, same age ballasts. Same genetics in both rooms. 6 biggggg plants in each.

 

[Snow Crash]

I just got a Gavita pro plus 1000e EL double ended bulb, ran with a regular E ballast, and I use a regular double ended hood, not Gavita.

at 3.5 feet away, it gets 40,000 lux when the ballast is at 100%.

at 2 feet away 100,000 lux

These bulbs are insane. The footprint is huge also at 2 feet away.

The growth rate is insane so far.

I haven't owned it long enough to see how much it degrades over time, but the claim is only 5-10% for the first 10,000 hours or something.

Why did you resurrect an ancient and dead thread to say something there are already multiple threads about?

It's totally off topic. Trolling? Fluffing your post count? What's the deal?

BTW - Advanced has discontinued their Baddass line. The only thing they make now that isn't nutrients are their drying racks I believe.