is there anywhere to get un-feminized autos?

[budpreacher]

I've noticed all of the automatic seed vendors are now strictly feminized seeds, this is a hassle as they are expensive in compared to normal seeds harvest weight. I remember lowlife used to sell them and now it seems on dr****nic that all bar the traditional lowrider which has very low potency.

to be honest i am very dissapointed with the latest development in the breeders sticking to feminized only, I can understand that they dont want lowlifes (pardon the pun) doing seed runs then selling them, but for the standard grower doing seed runs then growing a crop of a sea of green of automatic plants is something I, and im sure many others wanted (and i have done in the past) to do. Is there anywhere you can buy regular automatic plants? preferably of the ak47 or ak hybrid variety. its very dissapointing theyre now sticking to feminized only, for my reasons stated, and the financial implications of buying 100 feminized seeds are out of reach financially to be able to justify such an outlay.

looks like il be sticking to regulars if this issue wont resolve
regards

 

[meltybubble]

Funny,I can understand that they dont want lowlifes (pardon the pun) doing seed runs then selling them.

The Lowlife seed co are selling regular auto's,
AK47 Auto
Ak47 Blueberry
Blueberry
Hindu Kush
Lemon Skunk
White Russian
White Widow,all auto regs.
Hope this helps.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

I've noticed all of the automatic seed vendors are now strictly feminized seeds, this is a hassle as they are expensive in compared to normal seeds harvest weight. I remember lowlife used to sell them and now it seems on dr****nic that all bar the traditional lowrider which has very low potency.

Google: joint doctor

I have grown their Diesel Ryder regular seeds, and they had a high female to male ratio. They weren't stabilized though, and the F1 was all over the place.

Or go to the drchronic website and select Autoflowering regular. They have the Joint Doctors Lowryder 2 Seeds

Genetics: Santa Maria x Lowryder Type: f1 Hybrid Harvest Date: 9 weeks from Seed Flowering Period: 6+ weeks THC Content: Unknown No. of Seeds Per Packet: 10 Characteristics: Bushy, very early flowering plants with prolific budding. The long-awaited successor to the Joint Doctor's flagship strain is finally here

 

[BrownThumb]

Google: joint doctor
I have grown their Diesel Ryder regular seeds, and they had a high female to male ratio. They weren't stabilized though, and the F1 was all over the place.

Yep, that is the main issue, not stable. I also had a high female to male ratio, but the instability makes it not worth it for me right now. I did Blue Himalaya (Tasty and stoney) and the Pak Ryder I think it was.... not as tasty or potent IMO.

 

[Kindest]

Check out the mdanzig sub forum. Sour 60 seems to be a popular reg auto that's readily available.

 

[Otto Flour]

check out secret garden seeds on seedbay. they have a forum here too.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Yep, that is the main issue, not stable. I also had a high female to male ratio, but the instability makes it not worth it for me right now. I did Blue Himalaya (Tasty and stoney) and the Pak Ryder I think it was.... not as tasty or potent IMO.

Just for clarification, when I said F1, I was referring to the seeds I had made from them. The Diesel Ryder seeds themselves were very uniform, all autoflowered and there was a high female to male ratio. .

 

[chubbynugs]

I did a basic look up for regular autos and one site had 35 different strains in stock. They are out there and not that hard to find. Took me only 40 seconds.

 

[THCello]

Support regular autoflower strains & re-seed them for future stock.
It's the only way.

 

[bEasty]

Oi!

Im just planning next season, and figured out, i would need some AF-s due to N47 latitude.
I also checked the prices, thoose are slightly above the line that i would likely spend on beans.
So i tought, that the idea, to make some seeds from a few reg AFs, is the best choice.
But it seems more easyer, that it's actually is.

I mean, if i cross two Af-s, a male, and a feamale, than will i get something to work with at april/may? will it be stable enough, will it be auto flower at all?

 

[TanzanianMagic]

I mean, if i cross two Af-s, a male, and a feamale, than will i get something to work with at april/may? will it be stable enough, will it be auto flower at all?

That depends on how inbred the auto flowering strain is. I like the fact that nowadays you can get 7th or so generation auto flowering strains, but you still have to check whether they are inbred and stabilized.

 

[bEasty]

at least, it's worth a try!
there is such a big buzz about auto flowering strains these days, the breeders just flooded the market, and actually i cant get the point why!
i mean, i havent seen any customer need, be spoken like "what about theese Af-s, why haven't got anybody that strain crossed with a ruderalis" and so on.
i feel more likely, that the market is going in the direction, where no one really could get seeds from the strains he purchase.
i wouldn't be surprised, when crossing the two inbreded AFs will end up with distorted, herming little ogres... (but i know slightly less then nothing about breeding, so you could just ignore it at all.)
or is it easyer to make feminized autoflofering seeds? easyer like with a regular indica/sativa hybrid would be?

 

[sprinkl]

If you cross a variety with a 100% autoflowering variety you need to go to F3 to make it fully autoflowering again. The initial hybrid cross is called F1, part of these will autoflower and part won't, cross the autoflowering ones to make the F2 seeds, do the same with those to create the stable F3 seeds.

I suppose if you cross 2 100% AF varieties the result will be a 100% AF F1.
I've been thinking about a while which AF to get, but most seedcompanies don't state if it's F3 or fully AF. I've gotten bunk auto's before, or was it my noob mistake of topping them repeatedly that could have delayed flowering.

Me I'd rather buy feminized auto seeds. I'm growing only a few plants outdoors, in which case only having to pop 1 seed to end up with a female is a plus.
I haven't done any decent AF grow yet, I'll need to see decent quality before I cross them. The thought of long flowering sativa's finishing by end of august is wonderful though.

Oi!

Im just planning next season, and figured out, i would need some AF-s due to N47 latitude.

There are plenty of outdoor strains that finish by the end of sept. I'm at 51N and mid-end september can get a bit on the cold side, but not so much that it will drastically slow down flowering. Rain can be more of an issue, this year it was just soaking the last 3-4 weeks of flower. Still my "outdoor grapefruit" from fms yielded 280 grams with a nice stone and taste by mid-october(I think the late finish was due to rain/growing error) which made me very happy all things considered.
A friend had plants(also fms, purple power) finish 3-4 weeks earlier, just before the rain season kicked in, and had buds with a thickness, density and trichome coverage that put some indoor grows to shame! Something I never thought to be possible outdoors at 51N.

This years horrible weather shows to me that I need more than one strain, 3 strains with different harvest windows would be ideal. An AF for mid-summer, a begin to mid september strain and an end september strain.
What would be really ideal though is a climate regulated greenhouse with an automatic darkening system so I can grow anything I want year round

 

[bEasty]

I suppose if you cross 2 100% AF varieties the result will be a 100% AF F1.
I've been thinking about a while which AF to get, but most seedcompanies don't state if it's F3 or fully AF. I've gotten bunk auto's before, or was it my noob mistake of topping them repeatedly that could have delayed flowering.

that's makes me confused all the time, i read the "promo" about the AF varieties, some states, that the half of them will autoflower(F2-s i guess), some says, end of august, some say 60-80-100 days from seed... the whole AF industry seems to me a bit as is in its infancy.

i would need a strain that finishes about middle of august, due not the shitty weather (last season i've had some norhern lights, which havent gave a shit about rain at all, nor massive fog for days, in the middle of october), rather the natural weed, as a part of our flora. Those nasty little fucks usually flowering in the middle of august, which means they are some ruderalis biches, and makes out weed seeded all the time.
late flowering sativas have the advantages of not getting seeded AS MUCH, but have less potency due to the week sunlight in late september, middle of october.
not speaking about the rippers, riding out after the leafes dropped from the sourrundings...

that is why i should concentrate on AF-s.
so i would need some strains, which i plant in the beginning of may, will end up with resinous, superb matured seedless bud in middle of august, at the latest.
That is about 105 days, from 1st may until the 14th of august.
any suggestion?

What would be really ideal though is a climate regulated greenhouse with an automatic darkening system so I can grow anything I want year round

that is a dream of most of us