Breeding Ethics

[sso]

when i say, i have never met anyone who´s not a bit of an asshole, occasionally at least.


i mean to say, lets just stop this fucking childish bickering, please?


you guys are Not Toking enough.

 

[southflorida]

This thread will be binned if the attacks continue on HH. Payaso already gave a warning.

Don't we all make mistakes? Isn't this how we learn?

This is an excellent topic, especially because there is a seed-boom right now

It would be a shame if this thread was binned before we heard more opinions from the icmag members, especially on all the pollen chucking going on right now!

 

[sso]

good growers will last and find their niche.


in the predictable future, there are also always going to be copycats and the like.

if its great, people are going to want to share in it.

 

[southflorida]

good growers will last and find their niche.

no doubt about this!

in the predictable future, there are also always going to be copycats and the like.

a lot more than NOW? you mean

if its great, people are going to want to share in it.

demand is what the seed BUSINESS is all about

just like any business

no demand, no sales

massive demand, massive sales

look at the smartphone, iPads, etc sales

going through the roof, billions and billions in sales

 

[sso]

a lot more than NOW? you mean

there are probably going to be more growers in the future.

so, si senor.

 

[frito bandito]

you know i'd rather live in a world full of copycats than a world full of patents and copyrights. let people copy shit all they want. thats what brand names were invented for and thats what trademarks are for. if they see your logo on it they know its good. if its a scammer or copycat then only the fools or deal shoppers will buy it. that's what the free market is all about, letting people make their own decisions. if you think people copying shit is bad, wait until you cant even sprout a fucking seed without paying somebody royalties. then you will be begging for a return to the days when possession was 10/10 of the law.

 

[southflorida]

there are probably going to be more growers in the future.

so, si senor.

it is exploding right now, and I think you are right, it is going to continue for a while, and then slowly the majority will have to move toward niches, with two or three major seed companies that will sell a very wide assortment

This is what happens in every market as it matures

But, we have many, many years to go until this actually happens

Let the pollen chucking begin (for the upcoming pollen chuckers that is)

 

[stickshift]

you know i'd rather live in a world full of copycats than a world full of patents and copyrights. let people copy shit all they want. thats what brand names were invented for and thats what trademarks are for. if they see your logo on it they know its good. if you think people copying shit is bad, wait until you cant even sprout a fucking seed without paying somebody royalties.

Usually when things are copied though on the black market etc they are cheaper! were the likes of Mosca's OTM cheaper than the originals? -Idoubtit did the same amount of work go into the knock offs? again -Idoubtit

makes you wonder why people hoard... kudos to SamS for being an innovator and not an imitator.

 

[southflorida]

you know i'd rather live in a world full of copycats than a world full of patents and copyrights. let people copy shit all they want. thats what brand names were invented for and thats what trademarks are for. if they see your logo on it they know its good. if its a scammer or copycat then only the fools or deal shoppers will buy it. that's what the free market is all about, letting people make their own decisions. if you think people copying shit is bad, wait until you cant even sprout a fucking seed without paying somebody royalties. then you will be begging for a return to the days when possession was 10/10 of the law.

I think patents and copyrights will only work for names like white widow, etc.

With marijuana seeds it will be very difficult to patent the genetics, although it is possible I'm sure as computers are growing in computing power, and who knows what the future computers will be able to do as far as analysis

either way, I'm sure it will be close to impossible to stop anyone taking seeds and doing what Paradise Seeds has done

taken a few strains and build a whole catalog of seeds with their own names

but, even they released the White Widow...lol...by ingamar...or whatever his name is

 

[sso]

it is exploding right now, and I think you are right, it is going to continue for a while, and then slowly the majority will have to move toward niches, with two or three major seed companies that will sell a very wide assortment

This is what happens in every market as it matures

But, we have many, many years to go until this actually happens

Let the pollen chucking begin (for the upcoming pollen chuckers that is)

well, i dont know about the big companies.

big companies seem to be failing.

since they take so much and give so little back.

i think we are going to be turning more towards smaller markets and companies.

 

[coxnox]

I think patents and copyrights will only work for names like white widow, etc.

With marijuana seeds it will be very difficult to patent the genetics, although it is possible I'm sure as computers are growing in computing power, and who knows what the future computers will be able to do as far as analysis

either way, I'm sure it will be close to impossible to stop anyone taking seeds and doing what Paradise Seeds has done

taken a few strains and build a whole catalog of seeds with their own names

but, even they released the White Widow...lol...by ingamar...or whatever his name is

with DNA everything is possible !!
we allready do it for dogs, and even for some plants...

 

[southflorida]

well, i dont know about the big companies.

big companies seem to be failing.

since they take so much and give so little back.

i think we are going to be turning more towards smaller markets and companies.

that would be nice if that happens

I don't have any figures as far as sales, but it would be nice to know who the 20% of the seed companies that give 80% of the sales for the major seed retailers

the 80/20 rule has been occuring in the majority of the markets, and I don't think MJ seeds are any different

but, you never know, unless you have the exact numbers from the sales, and I don't think anyone is going to be sharing these numbers with us anytime soon

 

[southflorida]

with DNA everything is possible !!
we allready do it for dogs, and even for some plants...

most likely this is what will happen, especially as MJ becomes legal with time on a global scale

will be interesting to watch as the BIG boys get into the MJ seed business

 

[sso]

that would be nice if that happens

I don't have any figures as far as sales, but it would be nice to know who the 20% of the seed companies that give 80% of the sales for the major seed retailers

the 80/20 rule has been occuring in the majority of the markets, and I don't think MJ seeds are any different

but, you never know, unless you have the exact numbers from the sales, and I don't think anyone is going to be sharing these numbers with us anytime soon

dunno.

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy?

how you do?

how to compete globally with environment in which cannabis flourish?
at when cannabis is tolerate and more legal for trade globally, price will push many current seed makers and gardeners to other crops
only to remain are this gardeners and such to love this plant

informations and lack of such informations cause such harm, am keen to imagine various seedline that are work for generations within various environment within the earth
at where the salary is less than a sachet of "hype sent to market cannabis seed"

what is cost of cannabis worldwide? can compete with third world wages? hehehe
this is for relate at how work, also to call this energy, is value

copyright and patent especial to think with respect cannabis seed, nothing more than black market communism

ego dissolve at when we form conscious effort into see this ego, then poof dissolve
ego can not exist in this space of awareness to ego

with respect to f2 of a breeder work, any breeder and not just hammerhead

this cannabis seed market is not communist, and if you do not like the idea of another to put energy and work and love into something such a f2 line then make the f2 line yourself

if you are not to wish this, not a problem, but is not fair for judge to another for wish to work, or contribute energy

for a breeder to make quick f2 of the selections of seedline they are put energy into....am keen to think a dedicated breeder already to have search within f2 and f3 and such to analyse a line before release to market

competition is good, and bottleneck of competition is bad
competition say, am confident in my ability
bottleneck say, am not and for such require advantage

encourage others to work the lines, so as to show your unique skill as selector and grower and breeder and seed spreader and love to share

the best always wish for others try for imitate, as their skill and talent will remain apart of the imposters
also the best always wish for others try for imitate, as it keep those focus on progression and never to remain idle

if competition cause one fear and give rise to not positive emotions and feelings, i am keen to relate perhap practice more

Sam unless you are to continue work and select and release skunk line and selections to match your preference, this not longer is your line alone, you choose to work and share to it with community

gratis or at cost, you choose to release this....also am keen to think similar thinks at why you are not release many of this genetics you are to acquire....

how easy for make the seed, it come down to genetic variability and possible combinations therewithin
you know this
such the bottleneck is not what is available, rather what not is available

perhap you are to work a personal line and keep private this is your decision but also keep with mind you offer for sale skunk1 and if others are to continue and work this line regardless of selections and quality within the variety is still skunk1

a breeder is only as good as the last sachets of seed, as the seed is perishable, love and energy must always continue to be put into anything

cannabis exist before human, cannabis own more the human mind than the human are to own the cannabis....think to that

more breeder than any human, the sun the soil, the air, the water, all this things are life and alive with positive vibrations

remain connect to this....positive vibrations

 

[southflorida]

^^^^some good points in your post, especially about who's evolving who?

Maybe both equally. Man evolving cannabis and cannabis evolving man.

Mutually beneficial interaction and co-operation...no doubt.

Without ego there is balance!

 

[Fly by Night]

Breeding Ethics

Ever see a more unethical breeding male?

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy southflorida

how you do?

thank you for the compassion and love you are to have within yourself
am enjoy very much to read your topics, and thank you to share such perspective

is says something similar to this effect....cannabis work with the mind of human, such to share the legs of this human

such to form a symbiotic relationship of love and genuine trust and friendship

ever think is not that you are to find a specific specimen or seedline? rather this specimen or seedline find to you....hehehe

such perspective, our individual pleasure....unique reality....existence....universes!

breeding ethics? how to perceive and how such effect our unique experience?
all are unique, all are great

respect to every and all, for this balance require "evil" and "good"...."negative" and "positive"...."pollen chuck" and "sage general breeder"

respect for all the things within our reality, and at how we choose to view and preference this things is unique

respect unique, and never judge
to have unique preference without and remain loving with this and not to judge, we are not superhuman, alien....hehehe not yet

one perspective

positive vibrations

 

[symbiote420]

So I should be honored that people that use my Skunk #1 to make hybrids as my work is evolving? What if I so not want it to evolve? What if I do not like the hybrids, and feel they should have never been made? Not that I have the power to stop anyone from their actions, but even if I did it is my creation, and I should have some rights or control, I know I lost absolute control when I released it to the public, but it is my creation. People use established varieties because it is much easier then starting with unimproved materials to reach a goal. I know as I have done the breeding work.
-SamS

I see your point but:

If I were you I'd be honored for my plant jumpstarting the indoor industry in a whole lol ....hell even the companies like Eye Hortilux, Advanced Nutrients, and so on owe homage. Skunk #1 genes are probably in about 50% of indoor mj plants!

If a breeder feels that way Sam maybe he shouldn't sell his genetics in the first place, Their are peeps and I know a few who don't care about winning Cups or selling beans to the public and their gear is superior to most of the stuff I've bought or smoked from breeders .....hell I've found bagseed that was on point myself and have worked with it!

I've been getting a few gems sent to me from some of the breeders that I respect and feel whose ethics are inline with mine, they have been more than helpful, some gave rules that I will honor.

If/When I decide to release beans to the public it's open season, peeps can do whatever they want with the genetics ...whether gifted or bought!

 

[southflorida]

howdy southflorida

how you do?

thank you for the compassion and love you are to have within yourself
am enjoy very much to read your topics, and thank you to share such perspective

is says something similar to this effect....cannabis work with the mind of human, such to share the legs of this human

such to form a symbiotic relationship of love and genuine trust and friendship

ever think is not that you are to find a specific specimen or seedline? rather this specimen or seedline find to you....hehehe

such perspective, our individual pleasure....unique reality....existence....universes!

breeding ethics? how to perceive and how such effect our unique experience?
all are unique, all are great

respect to every and all, for this balance require "evil" and "good"...."negative" and "positive"...."pollen chuck" and "sage general breeder"

respect for all the things within our reality, and at how we choose to view and preference this things is unique

respect unique, and never judge
to have unique preference without and remain loving with this and not to judge, we are not superhuman, alien....hehehe not yet

one perspective

positive vibrations

what's interesting is that I started smoking cannabis when I was 13, and it opened up my mind in an amazing way

i think cannabis truly brings many people together and helps to move us slowly-but-surely toward being more and more loving

LOVE is the strongest force, there is NOTHING more powerful than love in the Bigger Picture

Of course there are all kind of FEAR in this world, and all evil is fear-based, but it is love that helps us evolve as a human species, and I'm sure cannabis will help us evolve toward the positive-side-of-things

that's why the saying ONE-LOVE reflects the direction in which we are all heading!

peace