v2 'dream system' DIY and diary

[DHF]

Larger initial R/O storage tanks for rez and top off management for late flower thirsty whores comes to mind...Talk ta Bobbles.......anyways.....all about dialage.....

Good luck Bro....Plant numbers dictate yields......

Respect.....Freds..........

 

[bobblehead]

Yeah dude... It wouldn't kill you to daisy chain some reservoirs together if you can't take out a sliding glass door to fit 330gal ICB tanks in your house... Lol or maybe you can put them in the garage? But yeah... I have over 800gal of water on hand at all times. I'm prolly gonna up it to 1,000gal soon. It really helps to have extra on hand for when shit goes wrong like what you're experiencing right now. (Or rather go right)

I was watching doomsday preppers today... This guy had 1,000gal of water stored up... I think they gave him a 14month survival time.... Haha...

 

[GMax]

Jesus fucking christ Gmax! I second the sticky nomination. This thread is epic.

Don't worry about the high pressure on your RO... You might have more impurities pass through the filter, but so what? My water starts out at .9 EC and comes out the RO at 0-.1 EC, and I use a pressure booster. I don't recall the pressure level... Point being you'll be fine, and you'll create more water than the filter is rated for with the extra pressure.

Keep the detailed updates coming dude... This is so awesome!

thanks dude

yeah my 100gpd used to make way more than that because my pressure gauge was broken and i was probably running it too high...when i first set it up, it filled my 150g RO tote in under a day...

i really dont mind a little ppm in the RO as long as it stays ph balanced etc...

i could upgrade a little farther, but if i have to go too high on the RO requirements, i may just use just a sediment filter or something...or find a house with well water


sometimes i feel like i posting too long, but i try to keep it detailed for troubleshooting for me (or others) in the future

thanks bro

Larger initial R/O storage tanks for rez and top off management for late flower thirsty whores comes to mind...Talk ta Bobbles.......anyways.....all about dialage.....

Good luck Bro....Plant numbers dictate yields......

Respect.....Freds..........

thanks freds

i wanted to get a 275g (square) tote for the RO like everyone else uses...they were all over craigslist for cheap..but i ran into a simple but major problem.....i wouldnt be able to get it inside the house

i have a attached garage but it is just a regular doorway size..and my basement has a narrow right angle turn that makes it hard to even get simplest stuff downstairs... i could only find one 150g tote for sale on cl..and the guy was ridiculous on the price..and i had the hardest time getting that in there..literally barely fit

i dont know how everyone else who uses a 275g tote does it...but i limited on options...cant leave it outside cause neighboors and cant keep it in garage cause i park there and it would require long and unneccesary tubing through the upstairs part and also neighboors again ....

even now, i am still able to acheive "upstairs normality"...if i could muffle the sound of the pumps a little, i could definately still have company over and they would never know.. and if they did hear the pump it can be played off as house pipe sounds



thanks guys...got pics and update coming in few min....


bobble...just seen your second post but probably still answered ^^

 

[bobblehead]

I recommend 55gal plastic drums. You can stack them on top of each other. They're easy to move around. They're cheap on craigslist.

 

[Purplestuffed]

niccccccce

 

[GMax]

well i got the two ROs running (300gpd total) and it looks like i am finally getting ahead on the water situation...at least for now... my rez is starting to stay at a constant level and the contents of my RO tank is slowly rising...

i added the dehuey to the WW room the other night and since then i have had perfect temps...59-62% and 70-72F day AND night!!! fucking love winter growing...

as i have been saying...my plants are going through water like crazy...so much so that they are beginning the flushing process without me..they are 12 days out so it fine...if they continue with the water uptake like this they should be more than well flushed...but hopefully they dont flush too fast...if they do, then i may consider giving a 3rd bloom booster rez change next time so they have enough to hold them over...

they are certainly growing like crazy.. here some pics

you can see leaves starting to yellow



sorry my camera so shitty..i can never get buds in focus that well







gonna give them 2 more days then a last defoliation...then let the RO continue to topoff the WW rez and opefully be able to just sit back and relax and let the WW bring it to a finish...


since i am almost done building it, i might as well start talking about round 2... which may be a disaster...my plants are way overvegged and i still havent pulled the trigger on extreme topping (almost litterally cutting the clones in half) but i plan on doing it..and then i will transplant them into the WW#2 and do some topping defoliation and let the WW nurse it to hopefully another healthy crop

here the progress so far...



all the wyes are in a row and put together... i used glue on the base of the system this time to help with leaks , except for in two spots so it can break down into 3 peices for transport storage whatever..all that is really left is to attach the pipe of wyes and construct the manifold and connect them...the pipe of wyes already has the mister manifold inside with a threaded elbow ..so you just simply attach it to the base and build the manifold as you go..it is also a good idea to support the pipes until the mainfold is finished.... once it is done it will stand on its own..i am taking measurements this time so i can update the DIY and add some notes


once i have both of them up i will encapsulate all the light and have it reflected in every direction and hopefully increase my yeilds even more.....



i am glad everyone is enjoying this thread..but i have big plans for the future...the idea i have been mentioning with the light mover is starting to burn in my brain the same way this system was....i dont have the space in this house... but when i move i plan on having flip flop 2k rooms with two WW 2.5 in each room...

the WW 2.5 is gonna be an extension of the original...but instead of a circle, imagine two candycanes laying "69" style....then 2k on a lightmover bringing it side to side...

thank you everybody

 

[GMax]

I recommend 55gal plastic drums. You can stack them on top of each other. They're easy to move around. They're cheap on craigslist.

thanks for the tip

niccccccce

welcome bro

 

[farmhouse cat]

Lookin great! Whats the netting frame made of?

 

[GMax]

Lookin great! Whats the netting frame made of?

its made out of 1/2" pvc.. the cream color not white, screws and string..i could probably use zipties and use that premade screen i been seeing a lot of

you can see how the screen is attached to the wooden wheel part of the base in the pic ...it is torqued and attached to make it shape...."parabolic torque screen

 

[farmhouse cat]

Oh i see.. so the yellow pvc is bendable? I know sch 40 pvc wouldnt bend like that.

 

[GMax]

Oh i see.. so the yellow pvc is bendable? I know sch 40 pvc wouldnt bend like that.

yeah the sch40 will bend but not as well, the yellow is way more flexible...but it has to be secured to hold its shape...a few pages back i go into how the screen was built

 

[DHF]

Version 2.5 in an oval shaped "69" pattern with light movers and parabolic torque screens with flip flop rooms incorporated into the equation..........now......

That`s showin yer ass there my buddy......Keep up the good work......

Peace.....Freds...........

 

[GMax]

Version 2.5 in an oval shaped "69" pattern with light movers and parabolic torque screens with flip flop rooms incorporated into the equation..........now......

That`s showin yer ass there my buddy......Keep up the good work......

Peace.....Freds...........

thanks freds

yep that is pretty much it in a nutshell...

the update to the existing WW should be easy...it wouldnt be a remodel, it would be more of an addition...remove the rubber cap and start adding more tees and couplings to the base and then attach the rubber cap to the new end ...the screen wouldnt have to be a torque screen it could just be flat, and attached to the existing torque screen... buy more wyes, wheels,etc and elongate the pvc sprayer manifold

the real trial is seeing how many more rows i can add with a lightmover...3-4, maybe even up to six....and adjusting my veg system to hold that many plants...

it seems like a great idea though... the WW had already proven itself to me...so it can only get better with increased plant numbers and well-lit canopy surface area

 

[DHF]

Increased plant numbers and well lit "sideways" canopy area......Sounds like somebody`s preachin to the choir and BET it`ll produce as long as the limiting factors of watts per sq ft and environment stay within dialed parameters.......

Preach on my buddy and git `er done......

Peace..Freds...........

 

[GMax]

Increased plant numbers and well lit "sideways" canopy area......Sounds like somebody`s preachin to the choir and BET it`ll produce as long as the limiting factors of watts per sq ft and environment stay within dialed parameters.......

Preach on my buddy and git `er done......

Peace..Freds...........

Lol definitely…not even having to ask many questions, just taking in all the great info that you have been dropping all over these forums…increased plant numbers, monocrop, flipflop rooms, more harveys per year.. The list goes on.. You have been a big help
Mad

But I got a question for ya now… how will the whole watts per sq ft work with a light mover ??




Plants are still drinking like crazy.. But I have finally gotten a little ahead in the water rez.. It had 120g in it this morning… I took that opportunity to change a bunch of rezs that have been behind in the old room because of the recent water crisis… still got a few things left to do though now that I have water… change the mothers rez.. Make nutes for the 15plant veg system for the old room, so I can transplant some clones over

I am behind on clones for both rooms so I am just gonna rape these moms for everything tomorrow and hopefully I will have enough clones for the 3rd round of the WW and enough left over to use in the old room

And I also will have the next WW finished and have plants in it tomorrow.. Then I will have another WW on the main rez..but they will be staggered so hopefully they both wont be in the heavy drinking stage at the same time


we will see how it goes

 

[DHF]

Well..... honestly G , I`ve had many growbro`s that`ve employed light movers over the yrs to extend the canopy with more plants but not watts per sq ft , and they did ok.......but.....

Not as much as they anticipated , and the one`s that used bare bulbs had problems with the bulbs swingin back and forth as the mover stopped and went back in the other direction....but again.......

Maybe it`ll work for yas and increase yields with more plant canopy from increased plant numbers.....just don`t expect miracles cuz new setups always have the "learning curve" to dial their ass and make em hoon fer tha gpw`s......anyways.....

Holler if I can help.....Freds..............

 

[GMax]

I have never seen a light mover operating … but I was afraid of the things you have mentioned.. The lights swinging when the mover changes directions etc…

It wont be expecting miracles…but the whole learning curve should be minimal… I learned everything I needed with my old system to build and operate this system smoothly…other than the incident and the water crisis, which I am fixing and eventually eliminating from the equation…. the actual growing part has been super easy

I was actually expecting the yeild per plant to go down a little, but with a higher volume of lower yielding plants, I might be able to increase the bottom line...

Maybe I am thinking too far ahead, but it seems like could be solid addition

 

[bobblehead]

G... If you're looking to spread the light out further, why not just make the canopy bigger? That's effectively what you're doing by moving the light around. The plants will receive more intense light part of the time, and less intense light the rest of the time.

This is how it works...
CO2 + H20 + energy (sunlight) -> C6H1206 (glucose/sugar) + 02

Unless you increase all 3 things in the beginning of the equation, you're not going to have the increase you're looking for in the final part of the equation.

 

[GMax]

G... If you're looking to spread the light out further, why not just make the canopy bigger? That's effectively what you're doing by moving the light around. The plants will receive more intense light part of the time, and less intense light the rest of the time.

This is how it works...
CO2 + H20 + energy (sunlight) -> C6H1206 (glucose/sugar) + 02

Unless you increase all 3 things in the beginning of the equation, you're not going to have the increase you're looking for in the final part of the equation.

i am confused on how you mean by making the canopy bigger.... i decided to go with 4'' pvc for the base over 3''...when the circular base is built, it is kinda a prefabricated size...luckily the distance from bulb to canopy is exactly 2ft in every direction...probably would have been a little closer if i had went with 3" pvc..but i definitely dont wanna go any farther than 2ft bulb distance....

increasing the canopy is what i am trying to acheive...but the only way i can do it, is to keep the circular shape but adding an extra straight "leg" to one side of each system.... like i said, 69ing candycanes

without the light moving, there will be some spots that are farther than 2ft... you are right about the light being more/less intense at certain times..but i am only wanting the lights to move 2 maybe 3 ft... and hopefully with the mover i will be able to move it even closer than 2ft at times and there will be enough intense direct light on all corners of the canopy for healthy buds

this is just in the thought stage...if i ever actually did this, i would do way more planning

great advice



freds, when you said you had bros who used a light mover...where they in veritical grows ??

 

[bobblehead]

I really don't like to fight about light movers... Cause guys are proud of their contraptions... As they should be. What I've always said though, is that consistency is the key to happy and healthy plants. If you can't deliver that, you're going to have problems.

So, what's consistent about a glowing orb floating around the room? It's dangerous. period.

IMO, if you're going to move the light around, you should do with with flip/flops and stationary lamps. My $0.02 on moving light... I had a chain driven light mover once upon a time... I spent a lot of time fixing it, had burnt leaves when it would break down...

What I'm saying about making your canopy bigger is increasing the diameter and maintaining a circle. I would rather see you do 2 cylinders next to each other than w/e this business is that you're planning with the movers... I just can't picture it I guess. Anyway, if you're going to spread the light out, it would be more consistent to increase the diameter of the canopy and thereby decreasing the light intensity... Which is what you're doing by moving the light around anyway.

Freds is always preaching these small flip rooms... I really think there's something to it. It's easier to maintain environment... Including adequate light intensity.

idk dude... not saying your way won't work... I just want the best results for you.