Rebirth of .\nti
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I'm looking for the best g/w/t where t = time.
I have considered donuts and think they're a valid way to do things. i'm curious whether you have any experience running rooms with 60+ small plants? If so, what was your g/w and how was your room setup?
From what I've seen the people who've gotten the most impressive GPW (1.5+) tend to be doing so with large #'s of rooted clones with little or no veg time.
i'm gonna watch a minnit. have a cab with #s opposing old method of 6 wk veg providing for meter tall blondes and want some reassurance of results also.
good luck bro.
good luck bro.
RE: Weed Donuts
I have utmost respect for all my bros who rock Weed Donuts. i am not bagging on the donut and in fact, depending on what my situation looks like when I get the first room built, I may very well rock a weed donut the first round if I can't get a sufficient # of quality clones for a VSOG.
At the moment, I have two remaining AK47 mamas who are each about 4' tall but who spent a couple of months of intense neglect and have only recently been rescued from certain death. (13 other plants were not so lucky.)
Intense depression is a helluva way to fuck yourself in the ass if you are so inclined.
If the mamas spring back after replanting and the second round of bug spray, I should have no problem getting 50-60 cuttings to throw into a first round. They won't be "best of three" cuttings as DHF preaches, but a room full of green beats a room full of nothing in my estimation.
If I run 2 bulbs, I'll probably run 3 tiers a foot apart vertically so that there's about 3.5-4ft vertically between the soil on the bottom tier and the top of the top tier plants.
I'm currently massaging the budget to attempt to make room for another $600w lamp/digital ballast *AND* three flip flop relays. That'd give me 1600w in each room and I could add another tier or two.
At 3 tiers, with 40", it really depends on how many clones I can get when the time comes. Each tier is 40" x 6" so I figured some kind of 6" bags sitting in the trays with drips. If I spaced things like my last setup, I could fit about 6 per tier with 6" between each plant. With three tiers that'd be 18 per side x 4 sides = 72 plants. (Plus these trays are about double the width of my colosseum table, so each plant would close to double the root space available and still have 3" of breathing room on either side.)
I doubt either of my mamas will be able to produce 36 viable clones anytime soon, so a first run would certainly not be at this density.
Here's what I think I will do if the moms live:
Take as many cuts as I can from them and start Room A flowering with maybe a week or two veg after they've rooted, depending on # and size of cuts available.
As soon as Room B is ready, take my 14 unsexed seedlings and surviving AK47 clone (fingers crossed) and throw them into Room B to veg until room A finishes week #5. At week #5 in Room A, take cuttings from Room B and flip to 12/12. That way I should end up with ~6-8 plants donut style after eliminating males. This will ensure SOME kind of harvest 5 weeks after Room A finishes its first round. By the time this one finishes, Room A will be halfway through its second round.
Second round in room A would be the AK47 again, but with "1 in 3" clones. By the time I got to second round with room B, the surviving clones from room B's first round should be decent little banzai mamas chugging along and I take my pick.
Looking at houses every day. Can't believe how much most of them suck. Anything I can get for $5000 down has no plumbing, no heat, no a/c, no electric, etc. The budget won't allow for $10,000 worth of work on top of down payment and equipment costs to get started.
It's a frustrating process, but I'm still plugging away. If there's one in 500 chance of finding the right place, I would estimate that I am more than 3/4 through my search. Got a good feeling about a guy I talked to today.
Smoke one for your boy. I am currently thankful to be making tincture and QWET hash out of my remaining trim. Haven't smoked a real bowl in weeks. But I'm still kicking and I will return with a muddafuckin' vengeance.
Believe that.
I have utmost respect for all my bros who rock Weed Donuts. i am not bagging on the donut and in fact, depending on what my situation looks like when I get the first room built, I may very well rock a weed donut the first round if I can't get a sufficient # of quality clones for a VSOG.
At the moment, I have two remaining AK47 mamas who are each about 4' tall but who spent a couple of months of intense neglect and have only recently been rescued from certain death. (13 other plants were not so lucky.)
Intense depression is a helluva way to fuck yourself in the ass if you are so inclined.
If the mamas spring back after replanting and the second round of bug spray, I should have no problem getting 50-60 cuttings to throw into a first round. They won't be "best of three" cuttings as DHF preaches, but a room full of green beats a room full of nothing in my estimation.
If I run 2 bulbs, I'll probably run 3 tiers a foot apart vertically so that there's about 3.5-4ft vertically between the soil on the bottom tier and the top of the top tier plants.
I'm currently massaging the budget to attempt to make room for another $600w lamp/digital ballast *AND* three flip flop relays. That'd give me 1600w in each room and I could add another tier or two.
At 3 tiers, with 40", it really depends on how many clones I can get when the time comes. Each tier is 40" x 6" so I figured some kind of 6" bags sitting in the trays with drips. If I spaced things like my last setup, I could fit about 6 per tier with 6" between each plant. With three tiers that'd be 18 per side x 4 sides = 72 plants. (Plus these trays are about double the width of my colosseum table, so each plant would close to double the root space available and still have 3" of breathing room on either side.)
I doubt either of my mamas will be able to produce 36 viable clones anytime soon, so a first run would certainly not be at this density.
Here's what I think I will do if the moms live:
Take as many cuts as I can from them and start Room A flowering with maybe a week or two veg after they've rooted, depending on # and size of cuts available.
As soon as Room B is ready, take my 14 unsexed seedlings and surviving AK47 clone (fingers crossed) and throw them into Room B to veg until room A finishes week #5. At week #5 in Room A, take cuttings from Room B and flip to 12/12. That way I should end up with ~6-8 plants donut style after eliminating males. This will ensure SOME kind of harvest 5 weeks after Room A finishes its first round. By the time this one finishes, Room A will be halfway through its second round.
Second round in room A would be the AK47 again, but with "1 in 3" clones. By the time I got to second round with room B, the surviving clones from room B's first round should be decent little banzai mamas chugging along and I take my pick.
Looking at houses every day. Can't believe how much most of them suck. Anything I can get for $5000 down has no plumbing, no heat, no a/c, no electric, etc. The budget won't allow for $10,000 worth of work on top of down payment and equipment costs to get started.
It's a frustrating process, but I'm still plugging away. If there's one in 500 chance of finding the right place, I would estimate that I am more than 3/4 through my search. Got a good feeling about a guy I talked to today.
Smoke one for your boy. I am currently thankful to be making tincture and QWET hash out of my remaining trim. Haven't smoked a real bowl in weeks. But I'm still kicking and I will return with a muddafuckin' vengeance.
Believe that.
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DHF
Adapt or perish......From adversity springs opportunity.....As 1 door closes another opens up......and......
All that other profound bullshit......Git back up on that horse and ride my buddy.........
Intestinal fortitude kicks in after a while A....Just took a certain amount of time before yas went into survival mode......
Trust me....Only the strong survive , so git to it and do this shit......you da man...
All the help yas need is right here at a keystroke........believe that.....
Peace.....Freds........
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All that other profound bullshit......Git back up on that horse and ride my buddy.........
Intestinal fortitude kicks in after a while A....Just took a certain amount of time before yas went into survival mode......
Trust me....Only the strong survive , so git to it and do this shit......you da man...
All the help yas need is right here at a keystroke........believe that.....
Peace.....Freds........
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Sorry I'm late Anti
Get this thing cookin' and kick life in it's fat fuckin' face
Get this thing cookin' and kick life in it's fat fuckin' face
village green
Member
Such violence towards life..tssk tssk
Some of us get sick of the constant beat down...so when life isn't looking, we get up and start hitting back.
Popping in to check things out. Hope your turkey day was a good one.
I am going to go and rock the weed doughnuts after trying to maintain a 3 shelf stadium.
Anti..I really believe that I can do MORE production with less work with the vert doughnut trees and screens.....good luck brah!
Anti..I really believe that I can do MORE production with less work with the vert doughnut trees and screens.....good luck brah!
TexMex McDirt
Active member
Great to see you getting back on your feet Anti. I dont have much to add here other than that. Your original micro grow cab was big inspiration for me.
Happy farming and stay safe!
Mahalo.
Tex
Happy farming and stay safe!
Mahalo.
Tex
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Ok. So after recent discussions here, I started thinking about things and I went back and re-re-re-re-read Heath's 600w flooded tubes.
This sketch is based on Heath's room. His flooded tube octagon was 4 levels around a single 600w in a 6x9 room. He said the interior dimensions were 4x4.
In this sketch, the yellow circle on the ground represents a 4' diameter circle. The outer walls of the room are 6'x6'x8'.
A circle with a diameter of 4 feet has an area of 12.5664 square feet. 600w/12.5664ft^2=47.74 w/ft^2.
The racks are angled in toward the light and the lowest side of the bottom rack is 6" off the ground.
The top of the plants on the top level are 6.5' off the ground.
The grey boxes represent the dutch leach trays (40"x6"x6") just like in the other sketches.
Each budsicle here represents a 3" diameter, 18" tall plant. No part of any plant would be further than 24" from the light in this design. Each plant would finish about a foot from the stacked lamps.
There are 15 plants pictured per rack, for a total of 60.
I'm not satisfied with that, especially since Heath was cramming up to 78 plants around two 600s and this is pictured as 60 plants around three 600s. At that size, I'd need each plant to produce 30g to hit 1gpw.
If I squeezed in one more plant per tier per rack that'd bring me up to 84 plants per room and bring the gram-per-plant down to 21.4g per plant to hit 1 gpw.
Two more plants per tier might start to get crowded, but would bring me up to 108 per room and ~17g per plant to hit 1 gpw.
I originally spaced the racks out like my tiers in my colosseum and I could fit 33 plants per rack that way, but the plants in the corners overlapped in a major way when I sketched it out that way.
I'm still playing, but I'm curious to get a response to this vs. the original idea.
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If you did do these new racks it may be helpful to have some thing to keep the buds from falling down. Maybe two pipes on each level and a wire running across from pipe to pipe so that the plants rest on the wire. If this works it would keep the plant up and not block a lot of your light. It will also save you time by making it so you don't have to tie up each plant. Instead you just place them on top of the wire when they get long enough. Just a thought.
That's a really good idea!
I was thinking of using bamboo stakes (one per plant, aiming it up and in to the light) like before... but a single wire per level would be even easier.
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DaveTheNewbie
i like the wire idea alot
1800w x 84 Plants
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Same idea, same spacing between plants (6.66" between each plant's mainstem) but with 21 plants per side vs 16 plants per side.
Here's a view of just one rack in the current configuration to make it easier to see.
^^^ Single Rack Detail ^^^
^^^ Reflectix at 45 Degree Angles in Corners ^^^
...Then finish the whole thing off by adding reflectix-wrapped planks in the corners between plants like so....
Holes. Poke them.
