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I know I'm coming into this a bit late but i really enjoyed the read. I've always been a fan of history and I love smokin the good stuff so there ya go...so big thanks to englishrick for being so inquisitive and keeping the convo going. I wish I could have seen the OG convo about the likely genetic origin of the Chemdawg line.
I would like to comment on the whole “Kush” comparison though as it may confuse some people. For the record “Kush” is a landrace Afghan Indica from the Hindu-Kush region. According to Chemdawg 101 OG Kush is a 91’ Chemdawg s1 and not infact a “Kush” at all.
Just because Chemdawg D may have sour undertones reminiscent of OG Kush does not necessarily mean that either contain any Kush genetics whatsoever. Even if Chemdawg did have any Kush traits that would be an Indica expression.
From what I’ve read some of the Chemdawg are described as more Sativa dominant and some seem more Indica dominant. Would those with more experience agree that the source was a fairly stable hybrid cross, as all the Chemdawg are somewhat similar in expression?
Also, does anyone know why the history just Dead ends with joebrand aka wonkanobe at the Dead show? Did he get so blasted that he forgot where he got the pot from or did he just lose contact with the person? Wut up?
I would like to comment on the whole “Kush” comparison though as it may confuse some people. For the record “Kush” is a landrace Afghan Indica from the Hindu-Kush region. According to Chemdawg 101 OG Kush is a 91’ Chemdawg s1 and not infact a “Kush” at all.
Just because Chemdawg D may have sour undertones reminiscent of OG Kush does not necessarily mean that either contain any Kush genetics whatsoever. Even if Chemdawg did have any Kush traits that would be an Indica expression.
From what I’ve read some of the Chemdawg are described as more Sativa dominant and some seem more Indica dominant. Would those with more experience agree that the source was a fairly stable hybrid cross, as all the Chemdawg are somewhat similar in expression?
Also, does anyone know why the history just Dead ends with joebrand aka wonkanobe at the Dead show? Did he get so blasted that he forgot where he got the pot from or did he just lose contact with the person? Wut up?
This...^^^^^...is very true.
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ItsTopShelf
lots of people on the boards.. even a higher up that gets mad rep by all u guys.. lol goes around popping bagseed from good strains.. keeps the name from the bag of weed and distributes clones to people sayin its the real deal in order to scam u into getting ur genetics from u .. so he can get good genetics.. and u can get a bunch of seeds from his hermi garbage haha .. kills 2 birds with 1 stone.. takes ur genetics.. then makes ur room full of seeds by giving u bagseed genetics as the REAL DEAL /
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ItsTopShelf
and the entire thing about the 13 seeds being keepers..
it doesnt happen often.. but i had a plant in my first run.. hermi from light leaks.. and it pollinated a ak47 female.. and out of 35 seeds 23 of them have been fucking rediculous .. i dont get it .. it seems like these accidental crosses work out better then some of the shit people make on purpose.. ill post pictures wen its done flowering out.. i got number 2 out the seeds the keeper that im a keep for a while.. shes jamming and is done in like 7-8 weeks with nice redic crystally buds.. iunno i think all it takes is for a keeper female to get a light leak or stressed to hermi and hit a female that doesnt ever hermi .. and ull get bomb fem seed.. so y do people act like its so difficult to make good seed.. s1 s are usually better then using a male. becuase u cant tell what the male will pass on!
it doesnt happen often.. but i had a plant in my first run.. hermi from light leaks.. and it pollinated a ak47 female.. and out of 35 seeds 23 of them have been fucking rediculous .. i dont get it .. it seems like these accidental crosses work out better then some of the shit people make on purpose.. ill post pictures wen its done flowering out.. i got number 2 out the seeds the keeper that im a keep for a while.. shes jamming and is done in like 7-8 weeks with nice redic crystally buds.. iunno i think all it takes is for a keeper female to get a light leak or stressed to hermi and hit a female that doesnt ever hermi .. and ull get bomb fem seed.. so y do people act like its so difficult to make good seed.. s1 s are usually better then using a male. becuase u cant tell what the male will pass on!
And that is what is killing the scene. If one can't tell what the male passes on by observation of the offspring, then they shouldn't be making seeds...
chronickiller
Member
Here's a post by Loompa himself on the topic...
" Whats up people!
Been busy as hell as usual and in the next few days Ill get back and read all the threads and answer questions but I just havent had time lately.
Something has come to my attention and I appreciate folks letting me know whats up around the boards. Raging discussions are going on about my Chemdawg cut and I just want to clear the air in public for all to see.
My chemdawg cut is not the SkunkVa cut. Now I dont really want to get into any raging discussions about what the truth is and whats what, cause to be honest, no one knows the truth. All we know for sure is what we can grow and what we can see. Any of you who have been around awhile will know what Im about to say, but let me reiterate whats up.
As many of you know, there was a time when I completely dissappeared from the web, alot of that had to do with all the nay sayers and I just got tired of hearing it and left the web community. Part of that was all the talk about my HB and my Chemdawg being fakes. I recieved both those cuts within a 6 month time frame from each other and both came from sources completely unrelated to the internet. My cuts are not in circulation and trying to pin them down as to which cut they are is ridiculous. They are not cuts from the web, Im the man that brought them to the communities attention, thats not to say I originally bred them, (I didnt), Im just the guy who showed up with them online.
My chemdawg came from Grateful dead family in Oregon. Thats how I sourced it and those folks are not online. It was sourced back in 2005ish, about the time Rezdog was doing all his work on ECSD and ECSD was all the rage back then. No chemdawg cuts were in circulation back then except the SkunkVa cut which wasnt really in circulation, it was passed tightly among a small group of people who held it tight. Now in todays world, the legend is that the SkunkVa cut is the original chemdawg91. Thats the story as put forth by chemdawg(Himself). Ill say straight up, I thinkt he whole chemdawg story is full of shit. Ill say it here, and Ive said it on other boards. I put no weight on the story going around the web from chemdawg. That being said, lets get to what we can verify. The skunkVa cut is most definately more in the OGK family. So what is chemdawg then? Thats where it all gets confusing. Everyone has their guesses and everyone has an opinion, but untill an individual has grown them all out and seen them for him/herself, you dont know anything. Ive grown the skunkVa, Tahoe og, TK, f-cut my HB and many others......Ive done blind side by side tests with my friends and no one(not one soul) can tell the skunkVa apart from all the other OGK's. Its in the smoke that you can start really seeing differences. Of course thay all have their slight difference in growing characteristics, but essentially they all grow very similar to each other.
So where does my chemdawg cut fit into this story??? Well, im not very sure. I do know that I got my cut long before chemdawg cuts were being passed around or being bred. It didnt come from seed stock from the web. My chemdawg cut is very similar to my HB cut. Its potent as hell, more potent than most og's and more potent that the skunkVa cut. It has a rancid fuel thing going on, very similar to what the chem4 is like, but my chemdawg is more potent than the chem4.
Both my HB and CD have similar stories. And If I listened to what "people in the know" had said many many years ago, I would have thrown out my HB. And what do we know today about my HB?? Well, its some of the best herb on the planet and very few OGK's stand up to my HB. Need proof? Dont take my word for it. Just read what others say after they smoke it. I produce my HB for med clubs in California and it goes under the name of Underdawg or Underdawg OG, the hydro chem version of my HB goes to the clubs as Overlord OG. So googls search it and see what folks say. Dont take my word for anything....take hundred of peoples opinions who actually smoke it and arent just regurgitating the same wives tales that have going around the web for a decade. My CD is similar. It isnt the skunkVa, and thank God for that....cause my CD is better. Mine is not an OGK like the skunkVa, its most definately more like the chem4 and sourD but better than both. But dont take my word for it.....grow it for yourself and see. If it wasnt good, I would have tossed it out long ago. And I have all the cuts, all except the chem3 is the only chem I havent run out...and none of them is as good as my chem.
If I had listened to the folks who "know" I would have thrown both cuts away. Thank God I didnt. For years Ive kept my mouth shut cause I hadnt grown everything out and seen for myself. But now, I can talk from experience....I dont know what the truth is....I do know how they all comapare though cause I have them and grown them out. So I know this doesnt clear anything up about what the real truth is, and I dont know if we will ever know. But I needed to make it clear what my stance is on all this and what is the actual breeding lineage of the plants I use. I figure I owe it to all you who are buying, testing, growing and/or smoking my gear/flowers. Know that nothing I breed with is is recirculated internet plants, none of them are from seed stock and are clone-onlies that I recieved long long time before anyone was making a living off breeding these plants.
Me and a few other very notable heads from the online community have been discussing all this for awhile now. I wont name drop and I wont drag other names of my friends through this discussion, just know that there are quite a few folks who feel very similar to me about all this. We all share our plants, our herbs, our experiences to try to figure out the truth. The truth is allusive, and we'll never probably know. The only way to have an educated opinion is to grow and smoke them and see for yourself what you think is up. The CD cut I have ranks up there with my HB(which supposedly is fake also...LOL). But anyone who has personally smoked it knows whats up."
" Whats up people!
Been busy as hell as usual and in the next few days Ill get back and read all the threads and answer questions but I just havent had time lately.
Something has come to my attention and I appreciate folks letting me know whats up around the boards. Raging discussions are going on about my Chemdawg cut and I just want to clear the air in public for all to see.
My chemdawg cut is not the SkunkVa cut. Now I dont really want to get into any raging discussions about what the truth is and whats what, cause to be honest, no one knows the truth. All we know for sure is what we can grow and what we can see. Any of you who have been around awhile will know what Im about to say, but let me reiterate whats up.
As many of you know, there was a time when I completely dissappeared from the web, alot of that had to do with all the nay sayers and I just got tired of hearing it and left the web community. Part of that was all the talk about my HB and my Chemdawg being fakes. I recieved both those cuts within a 6 month time frame from each other and both came from sources completely unrelated to the internet. My cuts are not in circulation and trying to pin them down as to which cut they are is ridiculous. They are not cuts from the web, Im the man that brought them to the communities attention, thats not to say I originally bred them, (I didnt), Im just the guy who showed up with them online.
My chemdawg came from Grateful dead family in Oregon. Thats how I sourced it and those folks are not online. It was sourced back in 2005ish, about the time Rezdog was doing all his work on ECSD and ECSD was all the rage back then. No chemdawg cuts were in circulation back then except the SkunkVa cut which wasnt really in circulation, it was passed tightly among a small group of people who held it tight. Now in todays world, the legend is that the SkunkVa cut is the original chemdawg91. Thats the story as put forth by chemdawg(Himself). Ill say straight up, I thinkt he whole chemdawg story is full of shit. Ill say it here, and Ive said it on other boards. I put no weight on the story going around the web from chemdawg. That being said, lets get to what we can verify. The skunkVa cut is most definately more in the OGK family. So what is chemdawg then? Thats where it all gets confusing. Everyone has their guesses and everyone has an opinion, but untill an individual has grown them all out and seen them for him/herself, you dont know anything. Ive grown the skunkVa, Tahoe og, TK, f-cut my HB and many others......Ive done blind side by side tests with my friends and no one(not one soul) can tell the skunkVa apart from all the other OGK's. Its in the smoke that you can start really seeing differences. Of course thay all have their slight difference in growing characteristics, but essentially they all grow very similar to each other.
So where does my chemdawg cut fit into this story??? Well, im not very sure. I do know that I got my cut long before chemdawg cuts were being passed around or being bred. It didnt come from seed stock from the web. My chemdawg cut is very similar to my HB cut. Its potent as hell, more potent than most og's and more potent that the skunkVa cut. It has a rancid fuel thing going on, very similar to what the chem4 is like, but my chemdawg is more potent than the chem4.
Both my HB and CD have similar stories. And If I listened to what "people in the know" had said many many years ago, I would have thrown out my HB. And what do we know today about my HB?? Well, its some of the best herb on the planet and very few OGK's stand up to my HB. Need proof? Dont take my word for it. Just read what others say after they smoke it. I produce my HB for med clubs in California and it goes under the name of Underdawg or Underdawg OG, the hydro chem version of my HB goes to the clubs as Overlord OG. So googls search it and see what folks say. Dont take my word for anything....take hundred of peoples opinions who actually smoke it and arent just regurgitating the same wives tales that have going around the web for a decade. My CD is similar. It isnt the skunkVa, and thank God for that....cause my CD is better. Mine is not an OGK like the skunkVa, its most definately more like the chem4 and sourD but better than both. But dont take my word for it.....grow it for yourself and see. If it wasnt good, I would have tossed it out long ago. And I have all the cuts, all except the chem3 is the only chem I havent run out...and none of them is as good as my chem.
If I had listened to the folks who "know" I would have thrown both cuts away. Thank God I didnt. For years Ive kept my mouth shut cause I hadnt grown everything out and seen for myself. But now, I can talk from experience....I dont know what the truth is....I do know how they all comapare though cause I have them and grown them out. So I know this doesnt clear anything up about what the real truth is, and I dont know if we will ever know. But I needed to make it clear what my stance is on all this and what is the actual breeding lineage of the plants I use. I figure I owe it to all you who are buying, testing, growing and/or smoking my gear/flowers. Know that nothing I breed with is is recirculated internet plants, none of them are from seed stock and are clone-onlies that I recieved long long time before anyone was making a living off breeding these plants.
Me and a few other very notable heads from the online community have been discussing all this for awhile now. I wont name drop and I wont drag other names of my friends through this discussion, just know that there are quite a few folks who feel very similar to me about all this. We all share our plants, our herbs, our experiences to try to figure out the truth. The truth is allusive, and we'll never probably know. The only way to have an educated opinion is to grow and smoke them and see for yourself what you think is up. The CD cut I have ranks up there with my HB(which supposedly is fake also...LOL). But anyone who has personally smoked it knows whats up."
gang-of-trees
Active member
Great post chronickiller.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for posting.
thats the kind of stuff i was hoping for with this thread
its been a great source of PERSPECTIVE
since we cant have definitive truth
thanks for all who have contributed
going thru all the banned names wow some real heads.....
its been a great source of PERSPECTIVE
since we cant have definitive truth
thanks for all who have contributed
going thru all the banned names wow some real heads.....
Damn... Loompas Chem sounds like the dank.
gang-of-trees
Active member
Sorry I know it slightly off topic, but I've tried loopmas headband which was so sour that it made you pull funny faces after the exhale!
gang-of-trees
Active member
Hey big twinn, did you not see the seed release early this year?
Canna collective had one or two strains from loopma OG square, yeti OG formerly headband and moondawgs which is chem91xoldtime moonshine I think.
you are correct sir!
To touch on Greyskull's original question here...it's easy.
I believe Loompa's 91 Chemdog cut and the 91 Chem cut Docta sourced are more than likely the same exact cut...I've grown them both. They are diesel cuts that fit perfectly into the family of cuts like Sour D and Original D...IMHO...they are hybrids of the Original ChemDawg cut...which of course circulates as the SkunkVA ChemDawg.
What I'd like to know is...What is/were the other plant/s that the deadheads had growing in their rooms at the same time as the original Chemdawg?
It had to be a hermie prone plant and people had to have bought Chemdawg nugs and found seeds in them...grown them out and called them Chemdawg...then circulated cuts of those under the same name.
chemdog get an oz or 2 (at $500 per...yea rite) sent to him and finds 6 seeds (or whatever)... maybe the sender of these oz's , had kilos of it... and it all had seeds... and it was sent to many people... so numerous people have seeds of the orig herb... and may be some of these seeds not in chemdogs hands were even better then his seeds..
what a crock of shit starting from the $500 per oz... upto present day...
what a crock of shit starting from the $500 per oz... upto present day...
