the ANTI Phillip Morris coalition / LEGAL commercial growers thread

[teemu shalanie]

who r y'all kiddin phillip morris is gunna hire mexican.....keep costs down
hope they dont add folmaldyhide , benzene , etc da ganja!
TS

 

[gingerale]

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[Jamorg13]

gingerale - a cannabis factory is exactly what phillip morris is going to make, which is what you say you do not want to be.

its supply and demand. you say you want to supply the best product at the best price. big deal, everybody wants to do that. the bigger your farm gets, the harder thats going to be. the harder it is the more tools your going to need. a long way down the road you end up with GMO weed seed that is feminized and autoflowers, because 'best' and 'price' are the demands of the market, and the demands of a legal market have not been seen for almost 100 years.

and i am telling you the best bet for us. small - local - fresh.

family owned farms are growing heirloom spinch that CANNOT be harvested by machine beacuse a)the seed is cheaper b) nobody else grows it c) gourmet restaurants demand unique and niche and will pay for it thanks to market demand(foodies)

this is exactly what we need to do. from the small family farms, to the high end quality brick and morter establishment to the scrutinizing cannabis connoisseur. all of these things together in a safe and regulated industry will be the most ideal for everybody - from pot head to church lady.

"I want to open the worlds largest and best cannabis factory, which produces high quality recreational cannabis products for a low and affordable price." -is exactly what some really rich guy at phillip morris is thinking about and i think that is the wrong path(for us).

but it might sound like i am not behind you. i am, i want you to have a nice business growing cannabis, i would like to buy some of your product and experience for myself.

so ill go second: i would like a dozen or so farms of several hectars in varying geographical micro climates growing from seed - heirloom(pre85?) old world hybrids and crosses of modern elite clone only plants using an organic/bio dynamic greenhouse farming technique to make high quality single batch full melt clear dome dry sift.

also a bakery for 'resin specific edibles'(Girl Scout Cookie-GS Cookies)

either way expect to make no more money than current wine makers(still a lot)

^^ this is exactly the right idea. Eventually the big corporations will barge in, but there is always a market, especially in washington, for small batch, locally grown, sustainable, bio-dynamic, organic, dank ass shit. Just like there is with beer/wine. Most idiots go buy Budweiser, but a small percent go to the micro-breweries, that will be the niche market.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Being better than them, along with plenty of political activism, fueled by dollars from cannabis sales.



Who's talking about a family farm?

I am. They are an example of the difficulties you'll be faced with trying to compete with big agriculture/pharma.

Who said anything about a small farm?

You did. Cannabis is farming isnt it? I'm pretty sure your resources are not to the scope of Monsanto and others in ties with the federal government. That makes you a small farm in their eye... a likely target for extinction.. just like the small farms that have tried to get in the way of Monsanto.

Yes, they're called lawyers. A standard business expense.

Again..those that try to take on Monsanto and his federal allies quickly learn that they cannot continue to afford such business expense. Their budget is a hair bigger, and their tactics are ruthless.

We don't have to overcome it. It's about to overcome itself. All those rules and regulations are currently destroying the American economy. Why do you think the economy mysteriously isn't recovering despite billions of U.S. dollars being poured into it? The noose can only be tightened around people's necks so much before they revolt. Political winds are shifting all over the globe and war is looming everywhere. The government can't just keep passing more and more rules and regulations and taxes and expect to be able to do that continually now until eternity, and think that people are just going to hum right along with their effective 50% tax rate with no negative repercussions. There is going to be blowback, and soon. What we're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg.

The system will destroy itself roughly in about the same timeframe it would take to get well established and in a key position in the cannabis market. Prohibition isn't the only thing coming unraveled right now. In fact we may even be headed toward a world war. We have sooo much bigger concerns on the table right now that the Federal government simply isn't going to have the resources to really fight this. Budget concerns are everywhere and there simply isnt enough money to jail all these people. The prison industrial complex is just going to have to take one for the team. The only thing needed for a smart player is to hire the best lawyers, make the best plans, and simply be the best and most prepared in every respect. That is how you win at anything. This is why I'm not too worried about what's to come. I know I (WE) will win.

I agree. There will be a revolution..a much needed one. This is one of the reasons we face the problems we do today. Corporatism... tightening the noose around people's necks in the name of elitist profits/control.. One of the reasons many of us are so hesitant to see cannabis go legal (their court) vs. decriminalized. A lot of people staying afloat in this country because of the underground cannabis trade. These people, our people, who may not be the most savvy experts and business entrepreneurs to compete in a legal climate will likely see that income taken away from them in light of newer cheaper big AG produce.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm being realistic.


I'm with some of the others. There will be a micro niche in producing unique quality and flavors to the connoisseurs. Many others however will be left in the dust to corporate cannabuds. Not sure aspiring to create the largest best cannabis factory is the right direction... for the same reasons Monsanto doesn't have much competition.

Best of luck. Lots of obstacles to face.. just like all of the small farmers trying to simply make a living all while being attacked by federal forces/big Ag, whomever...

I'm going to continue what I do and focus on providing quality at a fair price to those whom want it. Not going to try to compete with your mega corps.. its a losing battle. Just like you don't see micro breweries putting Anheizer Busch out of business. Best to find the niche and fill it, rather then go to war with those of more power and resources.

But again.. under legality.. it all boils down to what they allow us to do. Just as raw milk producers are being shut down.. we very well may see small cannabis "micro-brew" style companies being shut down for some bureaucratic bullshit. Its just an evil tactic for them to legally eliminate their competition.


You see to be confident though. Go for it. Whats your plan? How to do it?

I think we should not join the corporate problems of this country.. but continue to fight it. Grassroots style. Grow our own, keep it local.. don't support big Ag cannabis and its counterparts. Stop feeding their systems.

 

[noyd666]

this is how we make the moonshine, time it gets legal ,sort of down here, we will all be sittng on veranda, combing out our long grey beards. best o luck ginger.

 

[Hammerhead]

Yes and that Niche market is very large. You will get better cannabis grown with the same care I would want them grown. Customer service is top notch with state of the art security to protect your family business and customers.

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to have your own private humidors? Club Hammerhead gives you that chance. The private humidors are your industry leading Cannabis lockers that will keep your Erb fresh and ready for you to have a great smoke at a moments notice. Its a great feeling to walk through the door, open your locker, grab a Blunt, and sit in the smoking lounge after a stressful day. Our private humidors and Cannabis lockers will keep your Erb fresh until you visit us next time..

 

[FlowerFarmer]

That sounds awesome Hammerhead.

I cant wait to see what innovations the legal cannabis industry brings. I think there will be be a niche (yet very competitive) production market, but much of the real growth will come in the form of other aspects of the industry, such as the humidors you are referring to. This is where our culture will continue to shine. Through innovation.

These will be the areas one will be able to excel in and remain unique.


As with any industry. Its about staying on the forefront.. ahead of the curve. Everyone will be inspiring to grow cannabis for cash. It'll be tough, however little unique business ventures like yourself will find their place and make for very profitable investments.

I personally want a glass floor area in my living room with retractable "between the glass" rug to which I can peer down into my personal garden from above. I once on TV saw a humidor with a glass ceiling that could be viewed from the foyer of some crazy mansion. It was badass shit...that was what gave me this idea some time ago.

 

[noyd666]

Yes and that Niche market is very large. You will get better cannabis grown with the same care I would want them grown. Customer service is top notch with state of the art security to protect your family business and customers.

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to have your own private humidors? Club Hammerhead gives you that chance. The private humidors are your industry leading Cannabis lockers that will keep your Erb fresh and ready for you to have a great smoke at a moments notice. Its a great feeling to walk through the door, open your locker, grab a Blunt, and sit in the smoking lounge after a stressful day. Our private humidors and Cannabis lockers will keep your Erb fresh until you visit us next time..

not taking the micky hammerhead, but it sounds like the locker room where i worked.

 

[Hammerhead]

Privet member's only lol....

 

[huarmiquilla]

howdy

how you do?

am keen to think at where the best cannabis grow naturally, at when allow for legal export the price will be similar to your coffee or other crop in which the local farmer switch from

also to think cannabis is not most difficult to grow, especial within natural environment
simple outdoor greenhouses with limited inputs with respect to third world economies
not perishable with respect to bananas or other fresh fruit and vegetable, cannabis more similar to coffee with to consider this perishable nature of form

with respect to anti, i am keen with not to be anti to any....competition is good at when fair, and to exclude one is not different from one to try and exclude cannabis

within all the various perspective to remain within this form

positive vibrations

 

[dansbuds]

I can realisticly say .... I'll always be apart of the underground !!!

 

[GanjaPharma]

not sure about the Colorado law, but here in WA i see a bunch of protections for the mom and pop size farm. 99 TOTAL plants, is a pretty small op for a normal farmer who is used to growing thousands of strawberries, tomatoes, wtvr.
try telling a tomato farmer that he can have 50 tomato clones and 50 flowering tomato plants! they just dont have the mindset for that small a situation.

also, at 1 license per tax parcel, one licence per person, and a prohibition on out of state applicants ... it seems like the only folks that will switch to legal ganja farming are those already in the MMJ industry. i just dont see my potato/berry farming friends switching over for something that might earn them 70k/year if they do it all right.

they make more than that already growing potatoes (and hops, berries, apples etc..)

Up here, we formed some loose affiliations last year, when it looked like 5073 might pass and the dept of Ag was going to regulate it. those groups have stayed close, and as this goes forward "granges" like ours are going to be essential to protecting the individual interests of small farmers
(99 plants IS a small time farmer).

regarding the "artisanal" market:

there is alot of doom and gloom about how legal weed is gonna ruin the prices in WA. most of this comes from the proposed $3/gram figures that are in the voters pamphlet (along with a number of other guesses by the folks who prepared the pamphlet). I am saying that all those guesses are pure bullshit, and not based on reality.
the 21 year old brahs with their hats on sideways are gonna pay $25-30 a gram at retail. the tourists that are already buying their plane tickets are gonna do the same. the baby boomers that aint smoked a joint since 1976 arent gonna blink at a $30 gram.
what WILL happen is that there will be folks who have dank on the shelf, folks who have dank on the grey market, and folks that have commercial bigbud beasters looking nugs. and the market will justify the difference.

i think anyone who wants to grow, or be a grower is already at it. med scrip is $100, move to WA/CA/CO and setup shop. so no big swell on the supply side of the market. the DEMAND side however is going to explode!