the ANTI Phillip Morris coalition / LEGAL commercial growers thread

[gingerale]

Hello folks, so we've had a few days to think about the kick ass victory for the people which occurred with the successful legalization initiatives in Colorado and Washington.

First off I must say this: if you don't agree with these bills for some reason and just want to argue and bitch about it, please find another thread to air those grievances. This isn't the place for it.

Likewise, nobody wants to hear doomsday speculation about the Feds, etc. This is not the thread for that either.

So I've seen a lot of speculation from some people that Monsanto, Big Pharma, Phillip Morris, and various other boogiemen are going to swoop in and take over the industry, etc etc, and patent everything, and all will be ruined. Well I'm here to tell you, you're wrong! The scumbags will take control over this industry over my dead body! I am moving to Colorado next year, and I promise you I will be doing my part to make sure that does not happen.

What I want to know is, who's with me on this? Who is out there with similar plans in mind? Who is headed out to either of these states with the idea of either starting or being a part of (an employee, shareholder, etc) a home grown American cannabis business? Who absolutely loves this plant and wants to be part of an amazing experience?

I'll start: I want to open the worlds largest and best cannabis factory, which produces high quality recreational cannabis products for a low and affordable price. I get to smoke the finest herb every day all day long and I love it. It's a damn shame to me that only I and others like me get to enjoy this special privilege. I want to bring the joy and wonder of this plant to everyone. I also want to create a workplace that is a great place to work and something folks can be proud to be a part of.

So lets throw our info out there, then we can all know more about "who's out there" and what they have to bring to the table. We can put our heads together and figure out the best way to make sure the People's victory in this war is full and complete. Fuck Phillip Morris.....I will put the collective skill and talent and knowledge of ICMag against those assholes any day.

 

[2uptown]

pipe dream. but ya know best of luck to ya.

 

[watts]

sounds like you want to be big pharma of cannabis to me

 

[gingerale]

sounds like you want to be big pharma of cannabis to me

You're mistaken

 

[dansbuds]

You're gonna fight corporate America ????? good luck Bro

 

[watts]

well you can do your part , big or small but those big companies like phillip morris have so much money they will do what they want as long as they are allowed

I wonder if they would build a bunch of geothermal greenhouses or what. It's jsut 1 or 2 states so it's not really a big enough market for them in my opinion. I don't know what's going to happen. There will definitely be a lot of regulations with this. I'm sure they will limit the amount of clubs/shops per county, etc.

I think the big corporate companies are just going to sit back and observe for now. Maybe buy someone out one day if they think it's good/worth it

 

[jayjayfrank]

cannabis factory? pipe dream

we need goverment regulations like wine(safety), tariffs on imports(trade), and a union for that price whatchamacallit farmers are always talking about(money). any steps not taken towards these goals is a step taken in the wrong direction.

a regulatory frame work that allows licensed small business farms to supply niche markets while big pharma/phillip morris take the humdrum marlboro/budweiser route.

there is as much money in cannabis as wine/cigars/liquor(paper/plastics/oil even)

imported seedless unpressed tropical sativas and local full melt clear dome dry sift
^^^ this and nothing but

 

[gingerale]

I think the big corporate companies are just going to sit back and observe for now. Maybe buy someone out one day if they think it's good/worth it

I agree and I think that's exactly what will happen.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Ok,
where do we start. Dreams of a large American peoples' cannabis industry is great.


Whats the plan to prevent those entities from taking hold and controlling the industry?
The family farms peoples havnt been very successful in competing in an industry whos rules have been changed and titled in favor of "Big AG".

You state a proposal, yet dont want to talk about the feds. It doesnt really work that way. The federal government has become absolutely obsessed with going after small farmers. Cannabis certainly isnt going to be their exception. They've got to put our tax dollars to work.. and they are using them - against us. Check out the small farms being militarily raided for raw milk.. or those being shut down for one bullshit "Department of fuck this" new reason or another.

On top of everything else, the federal government and many state governments just keep endlessly piling more rules and regulations on to the backs of farmers. Big agribusiness has the resources to deal with all of these regulations fairly well, but most family farms do not.


I'm with you.. but fail to understand how it gets done when we are not the one's making the rules.. and those that are making the rules are being bought by those with the agenda to control all. How do we overcome that? Those that have tried to go up against predators like Monsanto have learned very quickly that it is a very dangerous game.

 

[gingerale]

cannabis factory? pipe dream

When they're writing books on how I did it, I'll be sure to remember you said that.

Let's not drag the thread off topic with negativity please....this thread is about how to do it, not how impossible it is, or how difficult or anything like that. This is exactly why people never get anywhere in life or achieve anything. They are too focused on the potential problems and not the end goal.

 

[siftedunity]

You're mistaken

are you gonna give it away for free or very low in price then??

 

[gingerale]

Whats the plan to prevent those entities from taking hold and controlling the industry?

Being better than them, along with plenty of political activism, fueled by dollars from cannabis sales.

The family farms peoples havnt been very successful in competing in an industry whos rules have been changed and titled in favor of "Big AG".

Who's talking about a family farm?

You state a proposal, yet dont want to talk about the feds. It doesnt really work that way. The federal government has become absolutely obsessed with going after small farmers. Cannabis certainly isnt going to be their exception.

Who said anything about a small farm?

On top of everything else, the federal government and many state governments just keep endlessly piling more rules and regulations on to the backs of farmers. Big agribusiness has the resources to deal with all of these regulations fairly well, but most family farms do not.

Yes, they're called lawyers. A standard business expense.

I'm with you.. but fail to understand how it gets done when we are not the one's making the rules.. and those that are making the rules are being bought by those with the agenda to control all. How do we overcome that? Those that have tried to go up against predators like Monsanto have learned very quickly that it is a very dangerous game.

We don't have to overcome it. It's about to overcome itself. All those rules and regulations are currently destroying the American economy. Why do you think the economy mysteriously isn't recovering despite billions of U.S. dollars being poured into it? The noose can only be tightened around people's necks so much before they revolt. Political winds are shifting all over the globe and war is looming everywhere. The government can't just keep passing more and more rules and regulations and taxes and expect to be able to do that continually now until eternity, and think that people are just going to hum right along with their effective 50% tax rate with no negative repercussions. There is going to be blowback, and soon. What we're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg.

The system will destroy itself roughly in about the same timeframe it would take to get well established and in a key position in the cannabis market. Prohibition isn't the only thing coming unraveled right now. In fact we may even be headed toward a world war. We have sooo much bigger concerns on the table right now that the Federal government simply isn't going to have the resources to really fight this. Budget concerns are everywhere and there simply isnt enough money to jail all these people. The prison industrial complex is just going to have to take one for the team. The only thing needed for a smart player is to hire the best lawyers, make the best plans, and simply be the best and most prepared in every respect. That is how you win at anything. This is why I'm not too worried about what's to come. I know I (WE) will win.

 

[cocogroguy]

I dont think huge corporate america will dive in until its FEDERALLY legal(long way away IMHO). But I do believe some middle of the road financial investors will back larger operations. Also some dilligent growers that have stayed underground(and offline) and made lots of cash will prob have a good opportunity to turn(wash) their cash into legit business and live the american dream. All speculation on my part but just one of many thoughts.

Im just happy to be alive and young enough to see it and how it will go down.

 

[Hammerhead]

We or I should say I would like to keep it locally owned and operated. Just small Boutique shops. This will keep the prices stable and offer only the best cannabis..If and when big pharma gets there mitts on it all we can do is not support there operations. Don't buy from them, Don't sale to them and dont work for them....

 

[siftedunity]

We or I should say I would like to keep it locally owned and operated. Just small Boutique shops. This will keep the prices stable and offer only the best cannabis..If and when big pharma gets there mitts on it all we can do is not support there operations. Don't buy from them, Don't sale to them and dont work for them....

seems like a better idea

 

[BlueJayWay]

We or I should say I would like to keep it locally owned and operated. Just small Boutique shops. This will keep the prices stable and offer only the best cannabis..If and when big pharma gets there mitts on it all we can do is not support there operations. Don't buy from them, Don't sale to them and dont work for them....

That's what I say, some will be happy with cheap packs of Phillip Morris cannabis but there will be plenty of people lining up at local farmers markets in line for the best locally grown organic ganja, and that's where I see myself fitting in to this!

 

[jayjayfrank]

gingerale - a cannabis factory is exactly what phillip morris is going to make, which is what you say you do not want to be.

its supply and demand. you say you want to supply the best product at the best price. big deal, everybody wants to do that. the bigger your farm gets, the harder thats going to be. the harder it is the more tools your going to need. a long way down the road you end up with GMO weed seed that is feminized and autoflowers, because 'best' and 'price' are the demands of the market, and the demands of a legal market have not been seen for almost 100 years.

and i am telling you the best bet for us. small - local - fresh.

family owned farms are growing heirloom spinch that CANNOT be harvested by machine beacuse a)the seed is cheaper b) nobody else grows it c) gourmet restaurants demand unique and niche and will pay for it thanks to market demand(foodies)

this is exactly what we need to do. from the small family farms, to the high end quality brick and morter establishment to the scrutinizing cannabis connoisseur. all of these things together in a safe and regulated industry will be the most ideal for everybody - from pot head to church lady.

"I want to open the worlds largest and best cannabis factory, which produces high quality recreational cannabis products for a low and affordable price." -is exactly what some really rich guy at phillip morris is thinking about and i think that is the wrong path(for us).

but it might sound like i am not behind you. i am, i want you to have a nice business growing cannabis, i would like to buy some of your product and experience for myself.

so ill go second: i would like a dozen or so farms of several hectars in varying geographical micro climates growing from seed - heirloom(pre85?) old world hybrids and crosses of modern elite clone only plants using an organic/bio dynamic greenhouse farming technique to make high quality single batch full melt clear dome dry sift.

also a bakery for 'resin specific edibles'(Girl Scout Cookie-GS Cookies)

either way expect to make no more money than current wine makers(still a lot)

 

[+Vibes]

1)

if you don't agree with these bills for some reason and just want to argue and bitch about it, please find another thread to air those grievances. This isn't the place for it.

imo is a terrible, circlejerk way of starting a discussion.

2) I firmly believe (black/grey market) growers have some serious ego issues w/r/t how they make their money. that being said i am also a believer in A+AA++AAAA++ still being worth something down the road, and no it will not be grown with hps

carry on+

 

[MIway]

When they're writing books on how I did it, I'll be sure to remember you said that.

Let's not drag the thread off topic with negativity please....this thread is about how to do it, not how impossible it is, or how difficult or anything like that. This is exactly why people never get anywhere in life or achieve anything. They are too focused on the potential problems and not the end goal.

Ahhh... To be in my twenties again... ;-)

 

[gingerale]

Ahhh... To be in my twenties again... ;-)

Can I help you with something?