Colorado "legalization" going to affect prices nationwide?

[whodare]

I guess you turds should look for a job at Monsanto then......


Dear god, people are being put in prison, sick people are being charged over 300 an oz for a product that costs maybe 50 to produce, and there is little regard for quality...

Anyone who would charge an actually sick person current market prices needs a swift kick in the nuts...

And he mmj industry is a joke...

First off its still illegal federally, how do you have a fully unchecked, unregulated industry that is distributing "medicine". It's nonsense, it's a wink and a nod way of having de facto decriminalization.

But the problem is now you have to go pay a doctor, make up some bs illness, pay the doc and the state...

All to stay out of jail..

Why the fuck should I have to go through all that just so some greedy little twats can have artificially inflated prices, and a monopoly on production.

I don't fucking care if Monsanto grows a million pounds a year...

If I never have to worry about going back to prison, or having a fucking gun put to my face after a militarized police force kicks in my door....

If I could go to a farmers market of local growers....

If I could get a fair price....

If we could stop directly supporting the prison industry....

If cartels could have heir feet cut out from under them...(monsanto may be a crummy biz but I don't see them leaving decapitated bodies on freeways)....

If we could grow a crop that has thousands of uses, and is a net ecological benefit....

If we could grow a crop with the perfect balance of amino acids for the human body a possible food source for millions of impoverished.


Legalize of die...

Otherwise fuck off

 

[Iron_Lion]

..

 

[FreedomFightr]

LOL people act like growing quality is hard. Most growers are self taught or learned from another grower. Sometimes with backwards techniques. How are you going to compete against someone with a degree is advanced botany? And someone with millions of dollars backing them. Someone who can set up the absolute best room with no shortcuts. Someone who is going to have more genetics than you and more options for cross breeding.

Im actually enrolled in a horticulture class now at the local college. Its time to step the game up. And learn some real techniques. There is always room to learn and grow. I for one cant wait until its legalized across the country.

 

[FreedomFightr]

People better learn how to cut cost's. And growers who are using those expensive ass nutes are not going to make it. Now is the time to learn how to grow fire the cheapest way possible. And using $100 bottles of AN is not going to cut cost's down.

 

[Don2Cups]

^^ this guy, I love it. It is a BUSINESS. Cannabis is no different than any other business.... Why share and give away what has taken years to build. people will always want to take the easy way out and make you feel bad not assisting them...



I highly doubt it will affect prices to the extent people assume.

1)Several states across america still outlaw cannabis.
2) Big Buisness aint gonna touch the stuff till the feds legalize it.
3) they are only allowed 6 plants, and an OZ. (when it was mmj, they were allowed to have more patients=more plants)
4)it still costs MONEY and TIME to grow

the only thing that will lower the prices:
5)newbs are gonna flood the market with low/mid grade bud

 

[whodare]

Nobody is going to foot the bill for the lights, environmental controls, medium, nutes, trim and process the crop etc... for free. You still have to keep a roof over your head.

Whodare, if you're not already giving product away for $50 an ounce then shut the fuck up. Because if you're not doing that now then you are just like the rest of us.

Right, that's why I said 50$ to produce, ie that is including those things you mention.


Oh and for the record, I charge the few sick folks I sell to 100-150 an oz, and one lady gets it free, so Im not going to shut the fuck up.

I make my money off 200$ Ozs of dank indoor all day...

Bet you'd have a tough time finding a dispensiary doing that.

Talking about it and doing it are 2 very different things, put your money where your mouth is and lets see this dirt cheap weed.


What will happen is the shwag market that used to be filled by cartels will be taken over by americans that produce the same crap quality for bargain basement prices. Or the cartels will just move into the US and take over the low end weed market here taking advantage of legality.

Who better to grow farms full of weed then the cartels, they're pros at it and have been doing huge multiple acre farms for decades.

No the commercial production will end up in American farmers hands...

And mega corps, who usually hire Americans to work in America.

Connoisseur production will always be done on a relatively smaller scale, and will always demand a premium.

Your living in fantasy land...


Oh yea put up or shut up right?

 

[Don2Cups]

as a grower supporting myself as a business I think MMJ was perfect. It got people the medicine that needed it. and for a cheaper than black market price.

It is a f***ing business, we gotta make money somehow.
All these f***ing potheads that want to smoke for the cheapest price possible but dont want to take the time to grow it.

why does every1 think its some plant that should be shared for free. i can grow corn, cantelope,watermelon but i dont. so i pay somebody else for their time to grow it.

ITS A BUSINESS!!!!!

 

[Don2Cups]

quality is whats gonna set you apart so step your game up!!!!

 

[señorsloth]

the way i see it, if the rest of us only have a few more years at best to make money off this evil prohibition, then we had better make the best of it...

one thing i wonder about, do you think the local and federal law enforcement will be stepped up in this, or relaxed, in the rest of the country? will cops stop caring about pot as much now that they see it about to become nationally legal? or will they decide now is the time to bust as many of us as they can before they cant?

i am pretty sure i've read a few stories about pot busts dropping dramatically over the past couple years nationally...maybe that is a trend of not only police organizations shifting priorities but individual cops changing their own personal opinions and deciding to spend more of their time letting potheads off with warnings and looking for violent criminals...things are certainly more lax now than they were 10 years ago in my area...

if there is a nationwide trend of police organizations shifting priorities away from pot then it will become even easier for us to make the most of our last few years...i mean even if we do get busted, we are only in jail till it's legal right? so every day we keep growing our potential worst sentence gets shorter and shorter...i tend to think that cops wont be as willing to spend their careers chasing potheads when they see them becoming legal citizens very soon...it doesn't make sense to me that police in other states would say, oh shit it's becoming legal i better lock up as many of them now as i can...knowing that all of those convictions will be overturned as soon as it does become legal...you would almost think it would be very bad for them to keep busting people, because the more busts they make now, the worse they will look in the end...populations would probably look more favorably of police districts that started to ease up on pot enforcement as legalization looked more and more likely...

i figured if pot wasn't made legal this year in at least state i would give up indoor growing within a year...gotta have an end-plan, or you wont quit till you get busted ya know? however, i figured if at least one state legalized pot then the end would be sufficiently in sight, and it would be safe to just keep growing right up until prohibition is over. i think i am gonna hold to that, but i'm also not letting this get away from me, i'm getting as much out of prohibition as i can till it's over.

i like making awesome profits, i like that i can easily live on my own and pay all my bills with just a small indoor garden, but i am not the kind of person that would gladly allow other people to be taken from their kids and thrown in jail over pot, have their houses confiscated, all so that i can keep my profit margins super high(although big pharma makes bigger profits than some weed dealers). the way i see it is prohibition has fucked up my life quite a bit, i wont get into it, but pot related charges have cost me thousands of dollars in fines and lawyer fee's, i see growing as my way of getting my money back from the government...it's a circle, ya know? we need them and they need us...they charge us, which keeps prices high, so that we can make lots of money, so that they can charge us lots of money...and so on....I want prohibition to end as fast as possible so that the government can stop torturing it's own people for loving a flower...but until it does i am going to exploit it for every penny i can...after all the system does the same to us...

i think pot prices will go down because of that fact alone...i think this will deal a very strong blow to the anti pot agenda, prop 19 almost passing in 2010 was an epic blow to prohibition, this will be many times stronger than that, public opinion alone will rise even faster, we will now have concrete proof and studies showing legalization is a good thing...there is just NO scenario i can imagine where police will begin stepping up enforcement on pot, cops are people after all, and these polls reflect their opinions too...

if we assume that pot will probably flood from Colorado and Washington for the next year or two, well there should be a bit of a decrease there, but i think the bigger factor will be what i described above, the entire country is realizing that there is profit to be made fairly safely growing pot, but not for much longer, if they want to make any money from it they have to get started fast, i know of two friends, actually, that want to get started just because of that, they see it as they don't have much time to make money off it so they better start now...

i think this will mean more growers in both the 2 legal states but also in all other states as well...which i think will mean lower prices eventually...where i am now the average price is 60 an eighth, but some people are actually selling at 70 an eighth and getting away with it and there are plenty of people moving beasters at 50 an eighth...pot used to go for 50 an eighth here but went up to 60 right about the time our moneys value dropped by like half compared to mexico and canada....that was a long time ago and i think at best we may go down to 50 a dub again but i kinda think it's not that likely...if people in my area can get away will charging 70 while people next door are charging 50 i just don't see competition being strong enough to bring down prices...

prohibition is terrible, and the state of capitalism in this country is abysmal, but to suggest we are better off under prohibition is a sad joke...a few growers and dealers may be better off but the millions of people who enjoy this flower and the genetic base of the flower itself are getting the short end of the stick in this deal...sure corporations will probably sink their fingers into this product like all products, but it will likely improve quality quite a bit cause they will bring their millions of research dollars and industrial knowledge, and not only that, in EVERY market out there dominated by huge corporations, there are small boutique companies selling higher end product...if the corporations can't step up and make good pot products, then surely the boutique companies will take over, no doubt they will at the least always be available for connoisseurs...and no doubt legal connoisseur pot will be much better than what we are smoking now...having huge breeder farms will make for some pretty awesome strains pretty fast, imagine being able to go through a million seeds at once instead of 10-20?

it's laughable that a few moronic growers would claim they are the industry, and that billions of people, across the entire WORLD should suffer, so that they can keep making 1000% profits growing in their basements while the rest of the legal world gets by on 10% profits or less. being an entrepreneur is about having the courage to risk your own money, to start a business, to compete in the free market...being an entrepreneur is not about simply having the balls to break the law when nobody else will...

 

[Iron_Lion]

DP

 

[Iron_Lion]

It's the epidemic of entitlement issues that is killing the world.

Way to many people think the things they need or want should be provided for free while they sit around and do nothing to contribute to the system. And 4 more years of Obama proves this.

Too many people want free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, free medicine and I guess free weed.

Nothing in this world is ever free, it maybe free for you but it is still coming out of someone else's pocket.

The best thing growers can do during these times is stick to their guns and hold tight on fair pricing.

MJ is an alternative medicine, if you choose to medicate with it then you choose to pay a fair price for it. If not then stick to what your healthcare system will provide you.

 

[whodare]

i agree with your sentiment iron,

my problem is all the lifes ruined...

one thing i think people are entitled to though, or should be, is freedom from persecution for something not hurting other people...

 

[Don2Cups]

senor sloth
its laughable that a few moronic growers think they are the industry?? 1 person obviously not but its the collective mindset, kinda like voting...

you made money because you saw an opportunity to grow and make money... It was illegal and is to most which is was so profitable!!!!!

with that said anybody who smokes or grows accepts that as a risk!!! not trying to be an asshole just pointing out the reality of it... so if you dont want to get locked up follow the law right... its laughable that people want to break the law and expect no consequences, no matter the situation, the governemt/police cannot support lawlessness.

 

[Don2Cups]

whodare, i agree with you and if anything has ruined this world, its money!! LOL

when it all comes down to it, we are all just human beings... money just gives power over others and gives people a since of superiority...

 

[Don2Cups]

It's the epidemic of entitlement issues that is killing the world.

Way to many people think the things they need or want should be provided for free while they sit around and do nothing to contribute to the system. And 4 more years of Obama proves this.

Too many people want free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, free medicine and I guess free weed.

Nothing in this world is ever free, it maybe free for you but it is still coming out of someone else's pocket.

The best thing growers can do during these times is stick to their guns and hold tight on fair pricing.

MJ is an alternative medicine, if you choose to medicate with it then you choose to pay a fair price for it. If not then stick to what your healthcare system will provide you.

well said

 

[Greyskull]

politics and church perpetuates entitlement

anyone who puts any faith into either of those institutions or their doctrines is a fucking moron and deserves to suffer for they are lazy. LAZY & STUPID. not a good mix if you ask me....

and this is coming from an idiot (yours truly)....

a special message to the "you're greedy" smiling gladhands with their ideas of what one should charge & profit and what one shouldn't...
If its on the table, and I want to take it, I take it. Its business. Smart business. Don't hate. Play the business game better. If you can hahahahahaha

you want to stay afloat in the rough seas of the cannabis business as it becomes more and more "mainstream", you have to fill a niche, and do it better than anyone else. if you can do it where you can also make some good coin for yourself & your family then bless your heart you're doing it right.

speaking of fantasy island....

i live at a special place on fantasy island

where what you grow outdoors finishes like the finest indoor, and it sells as such, too.
top quality. lowest overheard. killer profit margins.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Right, that's why I said 50$ to produce, ie that is including those things you mention.


Oh and for the record, I charge the few sick folks I sell to 100-150 an oz, and one lady gets it free, so Im not going to shut the fuck up.

I make my money off 200$ Ozs of dank indoor all day...

Bet you'd have a tough time finding a dispensiary doing that.





No the commercial production will end up in American farmers hands...

And mega corps, who usually hire Americans to work in America.

Connoisseur production will always be done on a relatively smaller scale, and will always demand a premium.

Your living in fantasy land...


Oh yea put up or shut up right?

Really,
At what point is profit a dirty word?

Selling quality cannabis to sick people for market prices is deserving of a switch kick in the nuts?

But you selling for $100-200 is not? Your still doubling - quadrupling your money as you claim. Why are you supplying only a few sick people. Why not have ALL of your product go into the hands of sick people?

I agree with a lot of what your saying, but that right there is being hypocritical. Selling for $300 is horrible, but $200 makes you OK? What markup makes you an evil drug dealer and what markup makes you a saint? If you really cared about the sick people you are helping... you wouldn't be trying to triple your money on them. Getting $3200 a lb put you in the same category as everyone else here ?? Thats not going out of your way helping anyone.. thats market price.

First off its still illegal federally

And until that changes I'm certainly not going to voluntarily sell my cannabis for less. Profit aint a dirty word... any transaction is a mutual agreement.


Legalization isnt going to help sick people who think they deserve free medicine because they cant grow their own. If the gov and big pharma have their way with it they'll be standing in a line at the pharmacy to buy some taxed out pharma-THC after visiting some outrageous doctor to write their prescription. Sick people should be happy to support their fellow grower who put the time/effort in bringing such a medicine to their availability.. not hating on them because they are not giving it away to people who's wives don't allow them to grow. That'd be like me whining that my back hurt after a hard days work and I've got to drive home several hours in a beat up 5k honda vs. a 60k lexus. I work hard and my back hurts! Where the fuck is my $5000 Lexus? At what point is entitlement OK?

Quality has a price. Sick people can either pay that price or grown their own. If they cannot do the later, then shouldnt hate on the former, they should be happy they have the ability to obtain something they are not willing to produce on their own.

Dear god, people are being put in prison, sick people are being charged over 300 an oz for a product that costs maybe 50 to produce, and there is little regard for quality...

..and both of these groups of people consciously made that decision to take such risks or pay such price.

Whodare,
It sucks that people get in trouble for a plant, but that is/was the current law. Nobody is sitting in jail with a ruined life over weed randomly. They made the conscious decision to take that risk...they could have avoided it.

I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for me if I'm busted for cannabis. I weighed the risks, and made my own decision. My grandma is 90 and has never been to jail for pot. She opted not to take that risk.

Legalization = awesome = people not going to jail, But I'm still going to try to profit as much as I can for my time/effort...and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[whodare]

Really,
At what point is profit a dirty word?

never, but using the government to keep pot illegal to aftificially inflate prices so you(not you literally) can profit more is, at least in my mind, despicable.

Selling quality cannabis to sick people for market prices is deserving of a switch kick in the nuts?

yes, because the market is fucked.... sick people get realistic prices, recreational users pay market...

But you selling for $100-200 is not? Your still doubling - quadrupling your money as you claim. Why are you supplying only a few sick people. Why not have ALL of your product go into the hands of sick people?

giving real sick people a 25-50% discount to market, or for free is a pretty compassionate gesture. i still need to eat.

and i don't know all that many deathly ill people in need of marijuana, i run in a small circle, what do you care who i sell to, i take care of my customers and thats that...

I agree with a lot of what your saying, but that right there is being hypocritical. Selling for $300 is horrible, but $200 makes you OK? What markup makes you an evil drug dealer and what markup makes you a saint? If you really cared about the sick people you are helping... you wouldn't be trying to triple your money on them. Getting $3200 a lb put you in the same category as everyone else here ?? Thats not going out of your way helping anyone.. thats market price.

im not saying that at all, im saying keeping prices artificially high buy backing the federal governments prohibition is as crummy a move as what the pharma industry does...

get it?

price is really irrelevant, why it is so high and who is supporting it is the problem...

And until that changes I'm certainly not going to voluntarily sell my cannabis for less. Profit aint a dirty word... any transaction is a mutual agreement.

and im not knocking anyone for the actual price they charge, go get yours...

i am, on the other hand, telling anyone who supports the drug war, so they can make an extra buck, to go jump off a bridge...

Legalization isnt going to help sick people who think they deserve free medicine because they cant grow their own. If the gov and big pharma have their way with it they'll be standing in a line at the pharmacy to buy some taxed out pharma-THC after visiting some outrageous doctor to write their prescription. Sick people should be happy to support their fellow grower who put the time/effort in bringing such a medicine to their availability.. not hating on them because they are not giving it away to people who's wives don't allow them to grow. That'd be like me whining that my back hurt after a hard days work and I've got to drive home in a 5k honda vs. a 60k lexus. I work hard and my back hurts! Where the fuck is my $5000 Lexus? At what point is entitlement OK?

???

i dont care what another motherfucker thinks they are entitled too, either pay what i charge or go suck the teet of government and get your genetically modified sooper dooper gov weed...

entitlement, if it uses the government to "legally" take from others, is never ok though...

Quality has a price. Sick people can either pay that price or grown their own. If they cannot do the later, then shouldnt hate on the former.

i never argued otherwise, im just saying that price wouldnt be so high if we didnt have militarized police kicking in doors, judges feeding pot offenders through the prison system, and a whole group of pot farmers who support prohibition for their greed.

..and both of these groups of people consciously made that decision to take such risks or pay such price.

are you really saying we should have to hide in the shadows forever fearing persecution so "mom and pop" can keep getting 4k a pack...

Whodare,
It sucks that people get in trouble for a plant, but that is/was the current law. Nobody is sitting in jail with a ruined life over weed randomly. They made the conscious decision to take that risk...they could have avoided it.

so because they made a decision we shouldn't change the system???

fucking nonsense.

let me ask you, have you ever been in jail or prison?

really, i dont think you have, you might change your tune real quick

I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for me if I'm busted for cannabis. I weighed the risks, and made my own decision. My grandma is 90 and has never been to jail for pot. She opted not to take that risk.

your supporting a government, that has a monopoly on violence, in their quest to keep a plant illegal so you can make a few extra bucks....

good to know i guess, i just truly hope you never get busted....




the war on cannabis is a crime against humanity, and anyone who supports it for any reason needs to experience what it is to lose your freedom, dignity, and humanity sitting behind bars for doing something that hurts nobody...

 

[FlowerFarmer]

I agree with what you're saying whodare.

and to be clear..not all of my rant was directed 100% towards you even though I quoted and replied to a bit of what you posted.


I 100% agree with you. People should not be imprisoned for a plant.. period. I don't support the war on drugs and will happily take less for my efforts to see the war against cannabis ended.

Unfortunately for my state.. its not. And as per the topic.. CO legalization IS going to effect prices nationwide, just as medical cannabis has. This means that us still taking on the risk of prosecution will be negatively effected.


For whats its worth I let my cannabis go for $187.50/oz - wholesale. Not to individual smokers though... because I also respect the livelihood of those others needing to put a point on it down the line for their livelihood. They gotta eat too ya know. Dumping my work on the street for ~187.50/oz while might be helping one smoker.. is hurting a lot of others who are trying to feed their families as well. I dont know anyone terminally ill who uses cannabis, but if I did I'd do what I can to help them.


I have never been in prison, but should I have to for the decisions I've made I wont be whining to anyone about the law. I'll sit down and take what is dealt to me because I chose to pick the cards off the table and play. Do I support prohibition.. NO, but in the current state of affairs I'll profit off of the cards we've been dealt. I'm not the cause... but rather the effect. A lot of people here seem to think that makes me/us a bad guy.


I don't think anyone here is really supporting prohibition in the name of greed. Just stating that its unfortunate that A LOT of people will be hurting due to legalization. Not necessarily because of risk, but also due to red tape, regulation, and monopolization/corporatism. At least my feelings anyway.

My main point really in this whole thread...
Not everyone is going to be able to grow their own...and I see this going the way of rulings that prohibit the normal grower from supplying his community. Profits are going to be made regardless... I'd rather see it stay with the local growers and their families vs. big business.

I'm all for REAL legalization. Legalization doesn't hold a 3 flowering plant restriction. Real legalization would allow us to grow as much as we want...give away as much as we want.. and sell as much as we want (applied taxes here).

I don't support the drug war (but have no problem profiting in the current state of things), but I certainly don't support monopolized legalization and that is exactly what they are trying to do. They have no desire to truly end prohibition.. they just want the money.

I'm not against legalization. I'm against government control. Allowing CO residents to have 1oz and 6 plants just isnt legalization in my eyes. Its knocking on CO residents' front door with free pie while looting and raiding the pantry through the backdoor.

I know we can't have our cake and eat it too, but more government is never the answer. And that applies to all facets of society. Government fucking sucks! They produce nothing.. only steal from society and the working class.

I'm not super greedy.. I'm passionate about cannabis (yes..even as much as those closet growers that think I'm an evil greedy human). I want to see this plant remain OURS. Thats all.


...now that we're going legal in CO and WA.. lets see some fucking innovations & scientific breakthroughs! I'll take a no trim needed, 30 day flowering, mind numbing sleed aid....stat!


PS, whodare. I appreciate all the help you've given me in my threads.

 

[Don2Cups]

what great points the last couple posts whodare,flowerfarmr... all very good points from a humane point of view... to me, its all about money which = power... every1 is after power....
lets look at it from government point of view. not humane LOL. im just saying look from their point of view...

does legalization just come down to people with nothing else to do except disobey the laws and say "hey, i want to do what i want"??? is that all it is about??

when you involve a descision that involves billions and billions of dollars, its not gonna be an easy one. maybe for the recreational smoker its an easy descision but to people that are making money off it (and remeber prisons are money makers too)... it becomes much harder.

and what just so you can do what you want...

laws are created for a purpose, to be followed. if you break them there are consequences. its quite simple. it you dont agree move to a country that supports lawlessness... and see how cheap life is, laws were created for a reason...

the bigger issue, to me, is how can we sustain an overpopulated planet?