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The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

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sour power

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i know what u mean. in my experience pits are working dogs..i do agree they are horrible guard dogs but some are ok but there are better choices.i own 4 pitbulls 2 of them which are game to the fullest
 

Tom Hill

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I love dogs, I love pits, I support the biggest pit rescue in LA when all these idiots leave them to die. But from a stark reality... When we train dogs in the defense art, we must have a release. Throw a ball and see if your pit chases it, no, it won't, that's prey drive, the only bully breed I know having that is tha Am Bull Dog of the south the pig hunter. The point is it is very stressful to put that kind of pressure on a dog during training, and if there is no possible release (prey is MUCH more comfy for a dag than defense), then it's like inhumane to even attempt the training of it. You must be able to bring the pot to a boil during training (turn up the pressure, from the decoy, the would-be fake attacker), then release it. I am sorry, but pits do not release, and this makes for impossible training, they don't counter like the lion who goes-in for a more comfy bite, there is no clear point of okay it's time to reward with pits. They are a nightmare to train because of this. And further, as mentioned earlier, any of them that bit their masters hand for 200 years, any hint of civil dog, was put down. Yeah, if you keep one, and think it's the motts in regards to a personal protection dog, you should learn more about dogs.
 

Veganics

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This is the 300 gallon mix Im gonna run with next year. It has an npk of 360-900-375, pretty close to the npk of the one outlined at the beginning of this thread, except the overall k is a little higher. Of course it substitutes alfalfa for chicken, and guano for bonemeal.

12 bags happy frog soil,
2 bag, 100#, organic alfalfa, 300-0-200
3 bag worm........ 60-0-0
75# 0-12-1 guano.......... 0-900-75,
2# potash....0-0-100
10# dolomite,
10# gypsum
8 cu ft lava rock (60 gallons)

This year i had an 830-830-830 npk mix of these same ingredients, along with high nitro guano, in 500 gallon pots, equiv to about a 500-500-500 npk in a 300 gallon, everything did well but the nitro seemed a little high to me so i thought it might be prudent to drop it down a little.

Anyone see any reason not to jack the potash number up a bit, maybe even equal to the phos? Maybe ill try a few just to experiment.
 

sour power

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wait what kind of pitbull are u talking about?if ur talking about the bullies that are in cali those are not pitbulls ,those are watered down pitbulls to the point they are not recognized in the ADBA or even the ukc for that matter.90%of bullies out of cali are registered to the abkc which is a new and unrespected kennel club.for the few that are registered to the ukc they cant even show in the ring cause they dont meet the ring standards
 

Veganics

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Alfalfa based soil mix

Alfalfa based soil mix

This is the 300 gallon mix Im gonna run with next year. It has an npk of 360-900-375, pretty close to the npk of the one outlined at the beginning of this thread, except the overall k is a little higher. Of course it substitutes alfalfa for chicken, and guano for bonemeal.

12 bags happy frog soil,
2 bag, 100#, organic alfalfa, 300-0-200
3 bag worm........ 60-0-0
75# 0-12-1 guano.......... 0-900-75,
2# potash....0-0-100
10# dolomite,
10# gypsum
8 cu ft lava rock (60 gallons)

This year i had an 830-830-830 npk mix of these same ingredients, along with high nitro guano, in 500 gallon pots, equiv to about a 500-500-500 npk in a 300 gallon, everything did well but the nitro seemed a little high to me so i thought it might be prudent to drop it down a little.

Anyone see any reason not to jack the potash number up a bit, maybe even equal to the phos? Maybe ill try a few just to experiment.
 

Tom Hill

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I would kick the N back up, and lose the K, no need for potash with those other ingredients imo, and there's likely more of it available next year from last, than N. Otherwise it looks good to me either way, nice to see you're not afraid of the forgotten macro that cannabis loves, Ca.
 

Tom Hill

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Sour, do you really think pitbulls of ANY kind are a working breed? exactly what is it that you think they do for work?
 

Tom Hill

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Working breeds, are bred for character, what they do, a highly complex poly genetic situation, what is it that pits do again? Anybody?
 

Tom Hill

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From this angle, they do nothing but dupe a bunch of clowns who know absolutely nothing about working dogs. I'll take a JRT over a pit, any which way but sunday, unless I was in a dog fight, or wanted some kinda family dog. But no, A pit ain't no working dog, those clowns have been duped, and they are sour grapes about it, singing rap tunes, and etc, lmfao.
 

Tom Hill

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..and i KNOW dogs, I know them because I love them like cannabis. I have taken the time to understand what the fuck I am talking about. I can select and train a dog all the way through PPD, tracking, and even police service. These other guys? They are sitting there thinking they have some kind of clue. I assure you, they don't, they've never truly cared enough to even look into it. So fuck them, imo.
 

sour power

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they were bread to be an all around farm dog.working the farms as a cattle/hog dog. some owners chose to use their talents in dog fighting because of their ability to withstand high amounts of pain,being very agile ,and animal aggressive.the pitts tenacity and accompanying strength are unmatched in the canine world.....side note the reason pitbulls have such a bad name isnt cause of the breeds its because of the owners and thats fact...

i cant argue other dogs cause in all honesty i dont like any other breed to have as a pet but what i can say from experience is the pitbulls are extremely loyal and territorial..there are better guard dogs out there im sure but saying pitbulls are stupid dogs that cant learn is incorrect..
 

Tom Hill

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Looking for or thinking you'll find a decent personal protection dog in a pit bull of any line is like looking for chronic in the ditchweed of the midwest, and sorry, but that's a godamned fact.
 

Tom Hill

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Come on bro, they were bred in the pit, hence the name. On the occasion they showed any civility, they were put down. This is why they're fairly nice family dogs, providing you ain't got kids dressing up in wetsuits, because they really are, as dogs go, dumb as snot, and yes, hard as hell, while other dogs correct themselves for doing wrong by throwing their ears back, pitties just have absolutely no clue whatsoever. I'll talk dogs, but let's talk about them in an intelligent/factual way.
 

sour power

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i never said they were guard dogs.if ur a dog lover like u claim then u know any and every dog has the ability to protect their owner.what makes the difference is some are bred to be guard dogs while others just love their masters and it becomes natural instinct
 

Tom Hill

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Horseshit, we don't look for chronic in midwest ditchweed. I am solidly in the genetic camp, and this nurture crap can take a hike, imo. Nothing "becomes" natural instinct, it's there, or it's not.
 

Tom Hill

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I shit none of you, there is really like zero percentage in that. If you think for a second that your pitbull kicks some kindof ass outside of killing dogs or babies, you are highly fucking mistaken, imo..
 

Peksman

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Tom is right. I love pits and had them for 23 years now. They are great family dogs, but no way they are a working dogs. Hell in my country they dont allow you even train your pit for a C1 licence that is for attack and defense, because of the reasons Tom mentioned above. ... they are great loving dogs, but you cant train them to be a working dog. My 2 cents

But I disagree with you Tom that they are dumb as snot... I have trained quite a few dog breeds and I can tell you that they are among most inteligent dogs for training. If you want to discuss on what criteria I evaluate their inteligence, just say so and I will be happy to discuss it with you...just not in this thread. :)
 
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