WHAT IS THIS

[DrFever]

O boy Tyga here 2 mins and look what i found may-be you should treat members here that went out of there way to help you a little better i am sure after many see how you replied towards my posts you probably won't get to many more replies Being your a noob

a grower should be aware of when using Coco - based mediums is that Coco naturally has
a good amount of Potasium in it which when released into the medium competes with some nutrients (such as Calcium,
Magnesium, Manganese, and Sulfur), therefore we will want to FLUSH the medium on a regualr (weekly or bi-weekly) basis did i not mention that in above post ?????
or water with very low ppms / EC values. When Flushing make sure to Flush with 300 ppms of solution made up of Cal/Mag
+ Nutrient. you see anywhere Epsom salt ??? hahahaha When Flushing, we also suggest collecting and testing the “run-off” to make sure that the ppms have gone down
to almost nothing, and that your pH coming out of the bottom of the containers matches the pH being fed to the plants.

 

[Kush Technician]

quality of coco seems to be hit or miss. I have used a variety and I always end up having to flush the s*** out of it BEFORE use - even Botanicare and Canna "pre-rinsed". Make sure the new bags are dry -- not heavy and saturated with water. If you use the dry bales, rinse it even more. Use RO and calmag with coco at 5.8 - 6.2 ph (test runoff!) and keep the ppm/ec low and only raise it if you spot the plants are hungry. I've never used blumats, but then again hand watering coco once the roots explode can be a pain. If you are dead set on the blumats, try lowering the EC and periodically pull them out or shut them off however that works and let the medium dry over a period of one day or till they need water, then flush with 1/4 strength nutes for the next watering and replace the blumats. I have noticed coco needs to periodically dry out slightly, and that is also a good time to flush. Normally coco is treated like soil but with the capacity to hold nutes like a hydro medium, and as such needs a wet/dry cycle, IME. Coco has high levels of K and is why roots love this stuff.

 

[Epod]

Not saying your a bad grower but when it comes to coco you are talking out of your ass.... You said you have never grown in coco but your trying to tell me that I need to flush weekly, blumats are "bad" for coco lol and epsom is a quick fix? Im sorry but those 3 statements are just plain retarded.

well if u don't agree what is said there is no need to be rube about it try checking his posts out and u will see he is a top grower not a nood like your self

 

[Tyga]

Not saying he is not a good grower but his advice is slight foolish. Theres MANY people on here running blumats with coco so saying rhat blumats are bad for coco is a foolish statement.
Also saying that epsom salt is a "quick fix" is also not accurate. If you check out the "h3ad goes coco" threa you will see majority of the members running his micro/bloom formula choose using Epsom salt. If my plants are hungry for MG and not CA then why would I be hitting them with CAL-mag?
This isn't referring to the post above talking about flushing coco PRIOR to use and pre-charging with cal-mag PRIOR to use... I understand thats a common practice lots of people take with coco because lots of times coco wasnt flushed properly and comes with an extremely high salt content.
I applogize for coming off rough but im trying to get to the bottom of this issue and when people come in with critiques that are clearly not the underlying problem it's just pointless.
But im the noob I guess this kids hitting 4# a light right? 7-9 lbs dry with a 2K SCROG?

 

[vukman]

But im the noob I guess this kids hitting 4# a light right? 7-9 lbs dry with a 2K SCROG?

kid......ahahahahaha..hey doc...you just got called a kid...bwahahahha..this should get interesting now..

Tyga..you're the one who doesn't know what a 'ticket' is and yet you claim that you finished some electrical program at a 'respectable' school?!??!!? Lemme tell you why you can't find a good paying job in the electrical field....they don't take pot smokers!!! End of story...it's got nothing to do with unions or other shit..

I worked in the fields for 30 years and never once was I without work and I fucking refused to join any union....

This is not a personal attack so please don't take it as one....

Good luck with your issues.

 

[Tyga]

^ If you want a pissing match hit me on a PM man... Keep it outta the thread. Still attempting to get to the bottom of this

 

[Minister]

Seems everyone has issues and egos.

Anyway, all I want to say is, that I have experienced the exact same symptoms on multible runs and have found root aphids two days ago.

Three weeks into flowering under hps and the first bleaching of upper fan leaves occur, and then developing into the defficient light burnt look, depicted by Tyga.
If you have been running without any dry cycles your problems begins earlier and are more severe.

I plan on including the use of a systemic from now on, applied in early flowering to be sure no bugs will ever bother me again.

Kind of sad, since I never thought I had to use poisen in my garden.

Strongly suspect the critters came in with the bag of coco.
Its not like the medium is sterile coming from the production line in Sri Lanka, where it lays arround in open pits throughout processing.

Good luck to everyone having any issues.

 

[Epod]

well if i have to bring anything organic in to my room i put it in the micro wave and NUKE IT till it quite hot then i know it safe done this for a few years now even my net pots have a go just to make sure works well for me

 

[Tyga]

Heres a couple shots of the 2 girls left who were mother plants that I decided to flower out. They were def the biggest going into flower and seem to be holding up the best so far.... Still showing signs here and there though. We will see how long these gals make it!

 

[Iron_Lion]

But im the noob I guess this kids hitting 4# a light right? 7-9 lbs dry with a 2K SCROG?

Quite the attitude for a joker pulling 0lbs per light.

Didn't you just figure out what a fungus gnat was like yesterday? LOL! Fuckin kiddies.

 

[headband 707]

Seamaiden is right you need to know if your tapwater has Calcium in it otherwise your not getting any. The next was when you burn with ferts . You can burn your plants at anytime of the growth cycle but when you burn them the most is when they are young your plants don't need ferts when they are young. (2 to 3 weeks). Depending on the plants groth cycle itself.Often there is fertillizers in the soil and when you add your own ferts ontop of this they will burn. Again I would check the ph I think this is where you might be going wrong good luck headband 707

 

[Tyga]

Seamaiden is right you need to know if your tapwater has Calcium in it otherwise your not getting any. The next was when you burn with ferts . You can burn your plants at anytime of the growth cycle but when you burn them the most is when they are young your plants don't need ferts when they are young. (2 to 3 weeks). Depending on the plants groth cycle itself.Often there is fertillizers in the soil and when you add your own ferts ontop of this they will burn. Again I would check the ph I think this is where you might be going wrong good luck headband 707

Thanks man but this is Coco not soil thats why I have been feeding them early off. Shit when I ran FFOF I didn't even OWN veg nutes haha had enough in the soil to last me a good month- Month 1/2 veg! The good ole' days.... And I do need to find out about the tap but I tried supplementing with Cal-Mag also with no results.
PH is on point because thats the first thing that seemed to be the issue. Calibrated the pen multiple times and my feeds were always between 5.8-6.2 in the reservoirs... never anymore and never any less.
The only thing that is puzzling me is that Im running this SAME exact set up in a 4x4 tent RIGHT next to this... lol. And they are rocking like no tomorrow! Its like the damn tent has cancer or something. (JOKE). But seriously.... I think if it was the water source the others wouldn't be looking to hot either... and I've ran multiple successful crops (1#+ Per light) in this same place with the same water.
Thats the only reason why I'm so puzzled!

 

[SeaMaiden]

Is there *any* way you can move those flowering girls into another space? Even for a week. Because your statement about how this all seems to start (or get progressing?) once they're moved is the one thing that's really stuck out to me. It's very odd, what's the variable?

 

[Tyga]

Is there *any* way you can move those flowering girls into another space? Even for a week. Because your statement about how this all seems to start (or get progressing?) once they're moved is the one thing that's really stuck out to me. It's very odd, what's the variable?

Variable between the 2 tents are
1. One tent is a vert 1K and the other is horizontal
2. Container size? 5gal buckets in the vert tent. 3gal in this tent
3. Light cycle- flip flop this tents on from 9:06AM-9:06PM and the other is opposite
As you can see NOT MUCH! Lol. Temps are stable also so yeah I'm really not a wicked noob or anything like people are making it out to be. As you can tell Seamaiden I've been all ears for MOST everyones input so far and have answered any questions that have been asked.
I'll try to throw up a shot of the ECSD vert tent tomorrow to show the substantial health difference!

 

[watts]

you running 1 gram epsom in both tents?

 

[Tyga]

you running 1 gram epsom in both tents?

Come to think of it I dont think I was running the 1g of epsom in the sick tent... But def running it in the healthy one. Think this could be as simple as a MG def? Seems a little more serious than that but who knows.. Ill start hitting them with epsom also and see how they look.oi

 

[SeaMaiden]

So the only other variables are feeding regimen (veg vs flower) and the tents themselves? I can't remember if you said both tents are also exactly the same (brand, purchased together, etc, etc?).

I'm not concerned with how much experience you do or don't have, everyone has to start somewhere and it's always at the beginning. The goal is to solve the problem, right?

 

[watts]

double check your EC because 6/9 and 150 ppm tap should be about 1.1 EC @ .7 conversion . You said yours was 1.6 ec so that could explain a lot unless you were measuring @ .5

 

[Tyga]

double check your EC because 6/9 and 150 ppm tap should be about 1.1 EC @ .7 conversion . You said yours was 1.6 ec so that could explain a lot unless you were measuring @ .5

Yup its a hanna meter so .5 conversion approx. 750PPm give or take a few

 

[Obsidian]

This is off gassing
Resinryder hit the nail on the head.

This is not a Nute def or pH issue people
get a grip and study
There is not one iota of a nute def showing
in the leaves pictured
It's the PLASTIC!
easy peasy to solve this problem
START OVER
seen it many times in the past 10yrs
plants don't recover ever, not worth the expense to experiment
It's in both the tents and the hoses, plus other plastics made in China.
China uses nasty dirty poisonous solvents in their plastic manufacturing.
they have no QC like the Western nations, in fact it's their policy to poison the World