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[watts]

if all else fails, at least try to use reverse osmosis water for a while to see how it goes. Or go to store and buy those cheap gallons of jug water that's clean. Use that as your main water source for a while instead of tap just to see. If it works, then buy an RO system eventually.

Your plants were also started in solo cups of soil before going to coco if i remember. That could be a big issue as well. Best to start in rapid rooters or straight coco. No soil if using coco.

 

[Tyga]

are you flushing weekly cause coco has a over abundance of phos in it you need to flush them with shit load of Cal mag you obviously have a micronutrient def or locking out to much of one nutrient blocking out other as for lights bleaching i run my 1000's 18" from tops with no bleaching

I haven't really gave them a straight out flush. Before they were hooked up to the blumats they were being. Handwatered DTW. Once they got hooked up to the blumats they. Fot drip clean added into their feeding to prevent from any salt build up. I also checked the EC of the run off to double check and the feed went in at 1.6 and the runoff came out at 1.8. To my knowledge that dosent seem high enough to be causing the plants any harm? Or atleast not to this extent.
Just hit the remaining 2 girls in the tent with Azamax to knock out whatever fungus gnats were in the room and also put up some more sticky traps to make sure I wipe them all out.
Something is still telling me there is something else going on in here.... Its clear that somehow lots of things are getting locked out because im showing all sorts of deficiencies but PH is on point, not much salt build in the medium and enviroment conditions are stable. When I read the symptoms for Ra's it was so spot on for my situation but after spending a good half hour observing the medium and cracking open rootballs and the whole nine yards I couldnt spot one.... And from what I heard from others if you are infected with those you know it.. they are having a god damn frenzy in the root zone.

 

[Tyga]

if all else fails, at least try to use reverse osmosis water for a while to see how it goes. Or go to store and buy those cheap gallons of jug water that's clean. Use that as your main water source for a while instead of tap just to see. If it works, then buy an RO system eventually.

Your plants were also started in solo cups of soil before going to coco if i remember. That could be a big issue as well. Best to start in rapid rooters or straight coco. No soil if using coco.

Ya that was a few rounds ago lol.... I took your advice! Straight from the aero cloner into straight coco... Im going to switch over to botanicare's cocogro bricks instead of the roots organic. Not diggin the mix.

 

[headband 707]

you are overfeeding and it's like a burn You also have a deficiency in your bud because of lockout Do you always test your PH after you put the ferts in? If your using coco I would also get Cal-Mag .. When I used coco I had some problems and when I asked the guy at the store what was going on he said get Cal-Mag and all should work out and he was right.. stay safe headband 707

 

[GDK]

Bro. Did ya check runoff ph? Or rootzone ph? Im no expert, but ive had similar problems and they was dealt with, thru flushing with proper ph and a good feed. I do believe your problem comes from ph issues. Are your pots drying out between feeds?

Stay Safe

 

[Tyga]

you are overfeeding and it's like a burn You also have a deficiency in your bud because of lockout Do you always test your PH after you put the ferts in? If your using coco I would also get Cal-Mag .. When I used coco I had some problems and when I asked the guy at the store what was going on he said get Cal-Mag and all should work out and he was right.. stay safe headband 707

Im running h3ad's 6/9 recipe with 1gram of epsom per gallon... Im using tap so I assume there is plenty of cal already. I have also tried swapping out the epsom with cal-mag with no changes. EC of feed is 1.6 which shouldnt be burning them at this age I wouldnt think?

 

[Tyga]

Bro. Did ya check runoff ph? Or rootzone ph? Im no expert, but ive had similar problems and they was dealt with, thru flushing with proper ph and a good feed. I do believe your problem comes from ph issues. Are your pots drying out between feeds?

Stay Safe

Havent checked the PH of the run off... I thought that the Ph off tenrun off in coco wasnt accurate and to just make sure that the PH of the feed was always on point. Either way I will test it out and report back. Pots were not fully drying out since they were hooked up to the blumats prior.

 

[Tyga]

@watts- I would give RO a shot but ive been doing runs with this tap for a few years now no problem. So I don't think that will change much..

 

[GDK]

Not fully dried. But somewhat on the drier side? Id flush em with a cpl of gallons each. Flush with correct ph and and ec 1.0. Make sure u keep em wet if they have a good rootsystem. My problems came from not feeding often enough.

Stay Safe

 

[SeaMaiden]

Im running h3ad's 6/9 recipe with 1gram of epsom per gallon... Im using tap so I assume there is plenty of cal already. I have also tried swapping out the epsom with cal-mag with no changes. EC of feed is 1.6 which shouldnt be burning them at this age I wouldnt think?

Tap water is more likely to have a bound Ca in the form of CaCO3. It may also, depending on the source itself (water has passed through limestone, for example) be high in other carbonates and other minerals that are not readily available forms. Also, the carbonates themselves may cause problems, especially with regard to pH shift and keeping it pegged there.

Are you keeping them off the MgSO4 right now? Have you re-examined your source water? I can't remember if you use any filtration or not, I can't remember anything you've mentioned about your source water right now. Sorry about that!

In any event, I'm re-examining the Mg as a possible issue given the regularity of the pattern of the leaves once it progresses. Again, back to elimination, and I can't recall whether or not you've been able to eliminate the source water as a possible problem. And the problem with this whole thing is that there may be more than one problem.

What would be the mathematical equation for problems compounded?

I would double check that tap water, pronto. If nothing else, eliminate it as a source of your problems. If it's a public muni supply, contact them and ask them for the reports for however long you've been experiencing the problem, and a few months prior. Ask them what changes may have occurred in their practices or the sources they're drawing from, treatment, etc.

 

[Tyga]

Tap water is more likely to have a bound Ca in the form of CaCO3. It may also, depending on the source itself (water has passed through limestone, for example) be high in other carbonates and other minerals that are not readily available forms. Also, the carbonates themselves may cause problems, especially with regard to pH shift and keeping it pegged there.

Are you keeping them off the MgSO4 right now? Have you re-examined your source water? I can't remember if you use any filtration or not, I can't remember anything you've mentioned about your source water right now. Sorry about that!

In any event, I'm re-examining the Mg as a possible issue given the regularity of the pattern of the leaves once it progresses. Again, back to elimination, and I can't recall whether or not you've been able to eliminate the source water as a possible problem. And the problem with this whole thing is that there may be more than one problem.

What would be the mathematical equation for problems compounded?

I would double check that tap water, pronto. If nothing else, eliminate it as a source of your problems. If it's a public muni supply, contact them and ask them for the reports for however long you've been experiencing the problem, and a few months prior. Ask them what changes may have occurred in their practices or the sources they're drawing from, treatment, etc.

Not cancelling out my water source but keep in mind im running an identical set-up in a tent next to this one as far as water/nutrients and the plants are rocking goin into week 5 of flower.
And with this other tent I have about 4 different strains going and still getting plagued with these symptoms. Because for awhile I was thinking it was strain dependent.

 

[SeaMaiden]

I thought you posted that it's spread to the veg tent.

 

[Tyga]

I thought you posted that it's spread to the veg tent.

My fault yea it has slowly start to hit the veg plants also.. Not as hard but def noticing. I was talking about my other flower tent, I have some ECSD's going into week 5 kickin ass.

 

[DrFever]

Tyga using blumats i think in coco is a bad choice i have never used coco but read up on it , it needs weekly to bi weekly flushing with cal mag due to the over abundance of phos in it so i would think blumats and coco are not a good mixture with coco you need to be on the ball cause it can pretty much go south on you

IMO as well from reading other blumat users they will either work / flood . or not work
you can;t be lazy growing in coco cause this is what will happen and as far as i am concerned blumats are a lazy mans fix don;t be shy spend some time with your girls breath on them talk to them lol , you will see a difference i spend as much time as i can in my garden and trust me there happy

 

[watts]

that gram of epsom salt coulda caused a lockout over time, along with the tap you use.

And about blumats, i dunno much about those, especially with coco.

6/9 shoud only be around 1.0 ec so i dunno how yours is 1.6

 

[DrFever]

that gram of epsom salt coulda caused a lockout over time, along with the tap you use.

And about blumats, i dunno much about those, especially with coco.

6/9 shoud only be around 1.0 ec so i dunno how yours is 1.6

epsom salt is a quick fix but shouldn't be used on a regular basis remember its SALT

 

[Tyga]

epsom salt is a quick fix but shouldn't be used on a regular basis remember its SALT

Dr fever im sorry but do you have any knowledge behimd what your spitting right now?

 

[DrFever]

nah never grown in my life 12 plants there 7 - 9 pound dry harvest

 

[Tyga]

Not saying your a bad grower but when it comes to coco you are talking out of your ass.... You said you have never grown in coco but your trying to tell me that I need to flush weekly, blumats are "bad" for coco lol and epsom is a quick fix? Im sorry but those 3 statements are just plain retarded.

 

[DrFever]

Not saying your a bad grower but when it comes to coco you are talking out of your ass.... You said you have never grown in coco but your trying to tell me that I need to flush weekly, blumats are "bad" for coco lol and epsom is a quick fix? Im sorry but those 3 statements are just plain retarded.

hahahaha ok there dude good luck with your endeavors
Hell i am sure more or less 100 percent positive that i would school you in growing in coco hell might have to go into my store tomorrow and get be a bale of coco just to prove it