Lumigrow 330 es

[rives]

Flowering in nature takes place in skies that have transitioned from a predominately blue spectrum (spring) to a more red one (autumn). Blue tends to limit stretch, not enhance it. I was told pretty early on by both knna and Old Mac (led growing pioneers) that there was no need for more than @ 10% blue light during flower, and that has worked well for me. The consumption part has not really been a consideration, but rather just trying to optimize what the plant needs/likes. I have dropped the power substantially during veg because I haven't seen any real benefit to running at high power levels during that stage.

These plants are shown at 28 days of vegging under my VolksLED, which pulls around 100 watts.

 

[mr freez]

what if you added a light mover to the mix

 

[rives]

I think that a light mover might be a damn good solution to the minimal footprint problem. The 330's have plenty of power, as shown by their ability to bleach the hell out of things, so moving one around to take advantage of that power and mitigate the footprint issue might work well. I don't think that I've seen anyone use the combination yet. Keep Goin?

 

[Keep goin]

Yeah rives,

A mover might be an option..? I was thinking more along the lines of adding 4 Kessils, or Cali Lightworks 100w units out in the corners. I'm leaning toward the Cali lights because they have a similar heat sink design to the Lumi and also have 5w chips. I think that would give me even growth over the entire 40"x40" area I'm trying to cover.

Overkill..! Surest way to not be disappointed...

A light mover would have to go in a square or rectangular direction to really be effective.

BTW that's a pretty sexy canopy you've got there...impressive.

 

[Hash Patty]

I thought that I would let everyone see how things are going under the lumigrow. They are all at day 15. Keep goin... I had the same thought of putting a kessil in each corner but at $400 a piece it's a bit tough to swallow at the present time. Maybe as a future investment to fill the rest of the tent out.

 

[oneshot]

Holy shit, the Lumigrow ES330 is gone from their website under the Products navigation, but you can still see the product pages from other light pages.

Wonder if they are just going to the Pro and LED Bar completely.

Might be some fire sales coming up!

 

[Keep goin]

Hey Hash...

You can find the Kessils for 270 per for the 350 model (the new ones)...after further research though...I'm pretty much now sold on the California Lightworks 100w units...their "baby" units...it's in the same housing as their 200w solar flare units just less chips. But I like the idea of continuing the canopy coverage with 5w chips to match up with the ES330. I just don't need the 200w unit (actual draw 165)..heard that number before..lol They are also the same price as the Kessils (the price I found) 275 each.

Plus I like the idea of 85w of actual use at the plug. This indicates to me they are optimally driving the chips, they have a similar heat management system to the Lumigrow (pretty much seem like they are copying them). I figure I can add 2 of those units in the one end of the canopy...the other end will be shared with the 600w HPS I still run next to it. There will be enough overlay to take care of it. If I was going to start over I would just get 4 of the 200w units...same wattage as 2 Lumigrow ES330's but better ability to spread the light over the full canopy.

At 500w of LED I think I could comfortably replace my other 600w unit...the ES330 just doesn't cut it alone.

WOW...oneshot you are right...I'll tell you, that JUST happened in the last week...crazy!!?

 

[Keep goin]

First they drop the 165w unit...which from my experience is NUTS!! After using the ES330 I am kicking myself for not getting multiple smaller units to spread em out.

Now they are just offering larger single units!!?? What are they thinking!??

 

[rives]

It sounds like they are getting some brain-dead input from the money-people. Too bad, I think that they are screwing up a good thing. Keep us posted on the California Lightworks units if you get them, KG. I really like the looks of those.

 

[prx]

How many LED lamps (300W) would need to 6m2 (72 DWC)?

 

[LeeROI]

I bought a pair of those Lightworks. I was disappointed by the top cover--it's a solid piece of plastic. Wouldn't mind if it was just a cover but that's where you hang them from.

 

[oneshot]

WOW...oneshot you are right...I'll tell you, that JUST happened in the last week...crazy!!?

It had to have happened Monday or Tuesday. I was on the Lumigrow site on Sunday and saw it. I was looking at their flood light style lights.

Not sure what they are thinking

 

[Keep goin]

Yeah oneshot, crazy...I'm not sure what they are thinking either...from what I've experienced I would much prefer separate panels to spread out the 330 watts for more even coverage.

Wow Lee...I don't like to hear that, is it so bad that you wouldn't recommend the light for purchase? I'm pretty much ready to pull the trigger on 2 of the 200w units as soon as I have some extra cash. Hope you see this and can let me know...!??

Did you like the function of them anyway? They seem top notch in their output, heatsink, etc...please give more info.

Thanks.

 

[hempfield]

How many LED lamps (300W) would need to 6m2 (72 DWC)?

That depends of what type of panel do you intend to use. If the LEDs are placed together, the coverage in small and you will need at least 2 units of 300W per square meter.

But if the panels are well designed and more efficient in spreading light, you can use one unit/m2.

So do the math ...

 

[LeeROI]

Yeah oneshot, crazy...I'm not sure what they are thinking either...from what I've experienced I would much prefer separate panels to spread out the 330 watts for more even coverage.

Wow Lee...I don't like to hear that, is it so bad that you wouldn't recommend the light for purchase? I'm pretty much ready to pull the trigger on 2 of the 200w units as soon as I have some extra cash. Hope you see this and can let me know...!??

Did you like the function of them anyway? They seem top notch in their output, heatsink, etc...please give more info.

Thanks.

I bought a pair of the Bloom Booster model thinking I'd use them with the Procyon 100's I have. My plans keep changing and for now they are on the shelf. Side by side with Lumigrow, the CA Lightworks look like a toy. Rivets will need to be drilled out to replace the fan. It is a nice hefty heatsink inside. Someone with the "200W" model said the exhaust air felt hotter than the bigger models.

I've got plenty of equipment as it is but I've been tempted to call growershouse and see what the secret price discount is. About the mounting holes for hanging brackets, the red plastic seems like it might turn brittle over time. If they broke I figured I would wrap some nylon cable ties around the whole fixture.

Note that I ordered both at the same time and growershouse sent one fixture very stealthily (as advertised) and the second fixture was drop shipped from CLW. It was a plain black box with California Lightworks in normal font on the shipping label. Both boxes arrived on the same truck. Seemed quite odd--the stealth shipment contained both pairs of ratcheting cords.

 

[Keep goin]

My plans keep changing and for now they are on the shelf.

So have you run them at all?? I don't think I could order lights and not fire em up!!? WOW that's self control..lol

Side by side with Lumigrow, the CA Lightworks look like a toy.

Do you run the Lumigrow?? I do..definitely top notch construction, but I would think that Cali LW would have to shave costs somewhere...I mean they are a fraction of the price of the Lumi's...but if the heat management is there and the chip sets are top notch (what it looks like from their info) then OK.?!? Please let me know!!

Note that I ordered both at the same time and growershouse sent one fixture very stealthily (as advertised) and the second fixture was drop shipped from CLW. It was a plain black box with California Lightworks in normal font on the shipping label. Both boxes arrived on the same truck. Seemed quite odd--the stealth shipment contained both pairs of ratcheting cords.

That's horrible ^^^ I have another thread going about ordering lights online...with just such concerns. Hey jackasses it's not legal everywhere YET..!! That's exactly the type shit I don't want to hear.

Well Lee...let me know if you've run them...and whether you would recommend them "to a friend" as the question goes? Not that I know you...but every bit of info fits into the puzzle of whether to go ahead with something. Growershouse for instance takes a "hit" on this one...

Thanks in advance...

 

[LeeROI]

Yes, Californians do seem to think the rest of the country is just like them. I bought a vaporizer from a bay area company and they wanted to know my user name at fuckcombustion. Lumigrow has had huge lettering on their packaging tape. I got a look from my FedEx man letting me know he did NOT approve.

So anyway, would I recommend CLW? Well, I haven't grown anything yet under LED (chronic depression from PTSD is a bitch) but yeah, I think so. You can buy three "200W" CLW for the price of two Lumigrows of the same actual wattage. I'll point out that I didn't start buying Lumigrow until I saw some documented cannabis grows first.

PS: I didn't mention growershouse by name in your other thread because I'm not interested in slamming them. They have good prices and greners does the same drop-ship routine. Like I said before, you need to call and talk to people if you actually need stealth shipping.

 

[Keep goin]

Hey Lee,

Yeah, Lumigrow got my business because of their distribution deal with hydrofarm...(which meant I could get one from the store I'm friendly with). As much as everyone seems anti store...I have never had a problem!? I feel like getting something sent to my house and having problems like what you are describing would freak me out way too much!!

Along with the build quality, chip size, etc. and the fact that they are a true horticultural company...not just looking to rip of stoners. (which WAY too many LED companies seem to be up to)

The price difference with the Cali lights is definitely appealing...and build seems to be an obvious "rip-off" of the Lumigrow...(heat sink, chip size, etc.) that's why I was asking.

Sorry to hear of your battle with PTSD..that sucks!! Good luck with that. Maybe get some stuff growing under those lights...it'll get your spirits UP!!

I appreciate you not wanting to slam any companies...but it's good to know what their up to. I would not like to get something "stealth" shipped that showed up with obvious company markings on it. The guys from Cali Lightworks suggested getting from them direct (they would beat ANY other price) and just ship to UPS store and pick it up there....that's what I may opt for. Safety IS paramount!!

Thanks for your feedback.

Good Luck

PS: you can't even get the 165w Lumigrows anymore. In fact you can't even get the ES330 anymore!!? I think the marketing department at Lumigrow have lost their minds!!!

 

[vukman]

Yes, Californians do seem to think the rest of the country is just like them. I bought a vaporizer from a bay area company and they wanted to know my user name at fuckcombustion. Lumigrow has had huge lettering on their packaging tape. I got a look from my FedEx man letting me know he did NOT approve.

So anyway, would I recommend CLW? Well, I haven't grown anything yet under LED (chronic depression from PTSD is a bitch)

First off, any place that doesn't provide some sort of 'stealth' packaging is really just uncaring and unsympathetic towards the concerns of their customers. That's my opinion anyway. It wouldn't take much just to wrap whatever they are shipping in that brown shipping paper and problem solved..I don't know what some companies think sometimes.

Also, I too am sorry to hear about your battles with PTSD,..well, you and anyone one else who battles with it. I know it all too well but mine manifests itself as antisocial and extreme anger issues. Been down the therapy and pills/drug road.. Ended up a heroin addict..etc..etc.. we all know the story. Can't sleep,,..the sights and sounds and the smells...oh man... with me it's the fucking smells that bring back vivid memories.

Just please brother, remember one thing....no matter how bad it is, it can always be worse so enjoy and treasure those moments where you have freedom from it.....

Good Luck

 

[LeeROI]

Not to derail the thread, but thanks for the kind words. I've been in a lull but now making progress on the grow space.