ERR... UNFLUSHED CANNABIS ...CONTAINING CHEMICAL COMPOUNDS FROM THE FERTILIZER.SAFE?!

[Jbonez]

smoked the second sample a few days ago and today. this was a bubblegum plant which got plain water for around 3-5 days. it definitely has an unflushed chemical taste. I gave it three more days of plain water after cutting samples before the final chop and its drying now, so we'll see how it turns out...

so you properly dried and cured for a few weeks and smoked it, but then the plant is still growing so you are going to flush it and see what the rest is like?

Please elaborate, cuz it still sounds like you are smokin uncured, improperly dried product.. Based on the information you just gave..

If I am wrong, please, correct me, I love to be put in my place.

 

[sprinkl]

so you properly dried and cured for a few weeks and smoked it, but then the plant is still growing so you are going to flush it and see what the rest is like?

Please elaborate, cuz it still sounds like you are smokin uncured, improperly dried product.. Based on the information you just gave..

If I am wrong, please, correct me, I love to be put in my place.

It sounds like he's smoking barely dried material, which shouldn't taste bad. It won't taste great, but if it tastes chemmy even the best cure won't fix that. Well maybe a water cure, but that sounds like ruining your terpenes as well.

I can get that when you're feeding exactly what the plant needs, there is no need for a flush. Though I think if you harvest green you'll need a much longer cure. Harvesting yellow, much of the chlorophyll has already been broken down, the plant was already curing before dry.
Also I always thought that in the last week plant nutrient needs drop severely, I don't see how you would be able to exactly match that need in the timespan of several days. So I think realistically plain water for at least 3-5 days should be considered in a grow where plants were not overfed. I also don't see this working outside a hydroponic grow with all clones coming from one mother... So it's irrelevant to most growers that grow for personal use who like some variety?

 

[Hindica]

That is true, I'm sure that a well grown hydroponic plant can be just as good or even better than an organic grown plant.

Eat The Blue Pill, Or The Red Pill?

At the risk of sounding like a dick, that actually couldn't be further from the truth. It's a facade rather than actual reality. Stop being a tool of the Hydroponics industry, it won't make you a better grower. You think growing in Hydro makes you feel like a better grower, or will give you better buds than a true organic soil run? Your buds will not show it.

 

[Jbonez]

Eat The Blue Pill, Or The Red Pill?

At the risk of sounding like a dick, that actually couldn't be further from the truth. It's a facade rather than actual reality. Stop being a tool of the Hydroponics industry, it won't make you a better grower. You think growing in Hydro makes you feel like a better grower, or will give you better buds than a true organic soil run? Your buds will not show it.

No offense bro, but this type of rhetoric leads me to believe you dont have a clue how plants assimilate nutrients... Nor do you have any genetics that youve ran organic and with regular chelated nutes, rookies tend to spread that organic vs hydro crap, those of us with the genetics know the one thing rookies dont, its all about your genetics bro, we give 300 fucks whether chelated N comes from bat shit or GH, same thing... I wont argue with subjective statements, sorry.... call it like I see it.

 

[Homebrewer]

Eat The Blue Pill, Or The Red Pill?

At the risk of sounding like a dick, that actually couldn't be further from the truth. It's a facade rather than actual reality. Stop being a tool of the Hydroponics industry, it won't make you a better grower. You think growing in Hydro makes you feel like a better grower, or will give you better buds than a true organic soil run? Your buds will not show it.

As if this thread isn't touchy enough, do you really have to bring up soil vs hydro too?

 

[Hindica]

Jbonez, I'm not your bro.

You know shit about my style of growing, for how long i've been growing, let alone what stains i've ran. It's comical that all new growers think it's all about the genetics.

 

[Hindica]

do you really have to bring up soil vs hydro too?

My intentions we not to turn this into soil vs hydro. I was responding to a comment made by sprinkl.

 

[Stonefree69]

What's organic? Just kidding. Well I must be naive, been growing in soil since mid-70's and hydro since mid-80's. I like hydro better and just use that but never used mykos for soil amendment and heard that alone can make a big difference. Never seen organic outgrow hydro.

If I did organic soil, it'd be in raised beds in a greenhouse and I'd forget about flushing altogether. I'd still add perlite/vermiculite for oxygen/drainage and mykos tea mix especially early on. Neptune's Harvest sounds good too, but there are other organic growers who have those things pretty well dialed for organic additives.

 

[Hindica]

How do plants assimilate nutrients? lol

 

[whodare]

Whole lot of ignorant shit in this thread.

Plants only need 17 elements for growth(elements aren't chemicals folks). Doesn't matter a fuck all where they come from or how they get there. 17 elements, period.

Hydro, soil... Only difference is growth rates really. Ultimately they are utilizing the same 17 elements.

How do you flush immobile nutrients?
When you flush are nutrients actually being taken out of the plant, or are you starving it?

Drying to too low a moisture too fast stops the enzymatic processes that break down chlorophyll, complex sugars, and proteins which lends to a harsh smoke.


Plants in nature don't get flushed, plants in my garden don't.

As long as your not over fertilizing flushing isn't necessary. Giving plain water the last week in soil isn't flushing unless your getting a ton of run off, and even then the micro herd is still feeding the plant to an extent.

Lowering feed in hydro isn't flushing, the plant needs less so it gets less.

Starving the plant of nutrition inthe end of flower will help trigger senescence of the leafs but isn't going to drastically effect the flowers nutrient content as it will use the mobile nutrients from the leafs, and the plant is going through senescence naturally anyway so it's demand for nutrition is naturally declining, therefore they have essentially stopped eating already.

Proper nutrient management in the media, proper environment, and proper drying techniques are the most important things to flower quality. Flushing will not cure over fertilized flowers.

Flame away, but I've had shwag that had been dried right and burned better than a lot of homegrown floating around.

And I'm not hating on anyone for the record, people can believe what they want, but that don't change science.

 

[Stonefree69]

Plants only need 17 elements for growth(elements aren't chemicals folks). Doesn't matter a fuck all where they come from or how they get there. 17 elements, period.

Hydro, soil... Only difference is growth rates really. Ultimately they are utilizing the same 17 elements.

Magic wands not included.

How do you flush immobile nutrients?
When you flush are nutrients actually being taken out of the plant, or are you starving it?

LOL no, it's on the Atkin's diet.

 

[Jbonez]

"At the risk of sounding like a dick"

How do plants assimilate nutrients? lol *Well Im glad you asked, read on*

You built the perception when you bashed someone with subjective hearsay.. Opinions lie between rubbish and facts..

Assimilate, as in the transitive, absorb, for the lay person..

Nutrients cannot travel freely in the plant without chelates. Nutrients in their raw form will precipitate when introduced to other nutrients. Chelated mineral nutrients are readily absorbed by the plant, whereas organic derivatives must be broken down into a chelated form(what hydro nutes are already), something that requires a little more know how, so hats off to ya for learning organics, only benefits I see in organic are for outdoors where I dont want to dump access nutrients into the ground, easy to do with hydroponics nutes...

I brew caps bennies and throw em in with maxibloom in coco, so there is one benefit to organics, thriving rhizosphere, but you can supplement bennies too in hydro, baby shit... as freds would say..

And yes, Id say genetics have more to do with the outcome than anything, provided you meet the plants needs.. You just arent going to get NL to do what my suge pk does.. Not possible, I dont care how good a grower you are homie.. Thats why we build on the foundation of the capabilities afforded to us with the rarest genetics that stay in closest circles, known performers, well, always perform.. You would challenge this? cuz id honestly not be able to continue this conversation...

Be humble, or hit people with facts when you rip em... Like I did when I ripped sprinkl for feeding his/her dog fruit... She couldnt get mad because I explained myself.. you did nothing of the sort, and thats not how a debate works... Its all good, I can argue any side of a debate more than most, but my brain filters out information not perceived as logical.

 

[HUGE]

Jbonez, I'm not your bro.

You know shit about my style of growing, for how long i've been growing, let alone what stains i've ran. It's comical that all new growers think it's all about the genetics.

Not all about genetics but genetics are 80+% of the equation.

 

[Hindica]

 

[Jbonez]

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[Avinash.miles]

^^ lol homebrewer,
any conversation about flushing ganja is not also about organic soil growing, am i wrong?

 

[Stonefree69]

^^ lol homebrewer,
any conversation about flushing ganja is not also about organic soil growing, am i wrong?

There's a lot of hydroponic growers who must flush their grows more than their toilets it seems. And I mean a lot! Medical Hydroponics Marijuana Flushing Facts: Don't Be Fooled
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PS - There is an actual reason why I do weekly reservoir changes or "flush" the system weekly, to quote Heath for one: ""The old nutrient solution should be drained no matter what system you use and new nutrients should be added. The reason for this is the plants use some of the available nutrients and leave others, over time if you don’t replace the nutrients you would have a build up of the salts that the plants aren’t using. Your Ec meter would tell you that the ppm was correct but the nutrient solution would have high levels of the salts that the plants weren’t using so in effect you would starve your plants." There was a transpire rate in days on a chart and by day 9 things looked pretty iffy, so that's why I stuck by the 7 day rule instead of 2 weeks or so for a res change.

 

[bowzer]

I know I dont really know shit about growing, as I've only been doing it for about two yrs.

I do know that It sucks when reading a thread and seeing people fighting about which method is better.

Who really cares? why not just do what works for you?

instead of arguing about which method is better, how about we all just post what we've done ourselves, what worked, what didnt.

most of us reading these are here looking for help, wanting to improve our grows, we dont need to cut each others methods down.
It would make reading these threads for what i believe they were intended much better, helping novice growers like myself grow the best medicine possible. Cause in the end i think we are all on the same side, no?

In my limited experience, i started with roots organic soil w/coco, bought good seeds, and botanicare nutes. have been more than pleased with the results. to any beginners, buy a good soil, seeds, and nutes to start, then grow from there.

oh, and i get most of my help from Jorge Cervantes indoor/outdoor medical growers bible.

PEACE TO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BrnCow]

Nutes will make your dick fall off

 

[bowzer]

no that's NUKES that make ur dick fall off. lol