mother plant or clones from clones?

[guy fawkes]

ive been trying to find out weather it makes any differant if i keep a mother and take cuts from her just just keep taking cut from cut from cut and so on make any difference to the long term quality of the product say 5 6 crops down the lineany input on this?
cheers

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

ive been trying to find out weather it makes any differant if i keep a mother and take cuts from her just just keep taking cut from cut from cut and so on make any difference to the long term quality of the product say 5 6 crops down the lineany input on this?
cheers

I believe that there is no such thing as genetic drift - genotypes cannot be altered. If mothers get old, its the old tissue that is the culprit for decreased vigor & potency. Start a new mother every 6 months or so, from a fresh cut of new growth - ideally let it veg for at least a few weeks before taking cuts. I do this perpetually & start a new "mini mom" each run.

 

[MrSterling]

The "genetic drift" malarkey that gets brought out around here is just that. A cutting is a cutting, and I have seen zero evidence personally or here on the boards that too many cuttings causes the line to "drift". Jorge Cervantes is responsible for the major proliferation of that myth.

 

[Granger2]

I'm not so sure that genetic drift is bunk. I've never experienced it, but I think it's wise to allow for it just in case. Good luck. -granger

 

[pip313]

I belive genetic drift occurs regardless of if its a dedicated mother or clones of clones.

Reason:

I take clones of clones and have NOT experienced genetic drift.

My former caregiver had dedicated moms of nycd and he got genetic drift without changing moms, litterally his weed lost its very very potent smell im talking a gram in a sealed bag still stunk up a house. It went to hay in 2 harvests from what were moms that produced for atleast 6 months and he had the strain for around 10 years as I remember him telling me.

Honestly half the reason I dropped him was nycd turning to shit.

Long story short I have "seen" genetic drift personally and its real. Rare but real. And if it is gonna happen its gonna happen.

 

[dansbuds]

I know guys that have had the same cut for over 5 years with no degrading of the quality .
Keeping moms or taking clones depends on how much space you have to keep them & how often you need them .
if your on a once a month (give or take ) cycle , you can do either way . I keep moms so i can choose whatever strain i want to put in flower . if your going to run the same strain or same couple of strains ... you can grab cuts as soon as your able off your girls in veg .& they'll be rooted & ready for veg by the time the plants you took them from ... go into flower ...... keep the cycle going .

 

[redneck shogun]

I personally have experienced my clones going to shit but it wasn't drift, it was my own fault.

 

[thinkin]

my .02

plant adapts to conditions..

"gentic drift" is kind of a misnomer

if the conditions change, the plant's characteristics will change
and any cuts from the "new" plant will be different from the original.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

taking clones from a mother that is lacking in health will result in the mythical drift.

 

[pip313]

Thats a guess with no scientific basis, my former caregiver was a fan of if it aint broke dont fix it so I doubt it was due to a mistake he made. he never changed anything.

dna should not be changing, the way dna is expressed should not change if the enviroment doesnt.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Thats a guess with no scientific basis, my former caregiver was a fan of if it aint broke dont fix it so I doubt it was due to a mistake he made. he never changed anything.

dna should not be changing, the way dna is expressed should not change if the enviroment doesnt.

Nope this is from 20 years of growing an figuring out what makes these special ladies tick my friend. But what do I know lol.

 

[guy fawkes]

I know guys that have had the same cut for over 5 years with no degrading of the quality .
Keeping moms or taking clones depends on how much space you have to keep them & how often you need them .
if your on a once a month (give or take ) cycle , you can do either way . I keep moms so i can choose whatever strain i want to put in flower . if your going to run the same strain or same couple of strains ... you can grab cuts as soon as your able off your girls in veg .& they'll be rooted & ready for veg by the time the plants you took them from ... go into flower ...... keep the cycle going .

what i do is grow out a few strains take cuts from the best examples of each strain grow them out from my next crop, take cuts from them and repeat that way ive got a few strain to choose from when i want a smoke, 3 strains , 2 cuts of each every crop,
not the perfect set up but when all you got is an old set of draws and a cubourd for grow space you do what you can

 

[Useful Idiot]

I say my clones from clones do drift at a certain time each year, I can always tell when it's going to happen. Middle of July to about the end of August. That is when I battle with high temps, the plants drink sooo much more, my ventilation is jacked up soo high i'm not sure if the fresh air intake is keeping up with the girls needs. Funny thing is,come Sept. all is back to normal. Happens every year. Genetic drift?? no!!I think it has to do with, ummmm environment, the growers knowledge and such. If I gave a clone of a clone of a clone to a grower who really could care less about air exchange, temps, nutes, caring about what this particular strain needs to get the full potential of what it has to offer, what could I expect to outcome to be??? I will also even go so far as to say I could give that same clone to someone else perhaps that has a better soil recipe,better environment than I ,and more time to tend to them,I could end up being embarrased.I have been cloning from clones for a LONG time and see nothin going wrong over here. Catch my drift??

 

[Useful Idiot]

Also ,as far as cuttings are concerned, want an extreme example? Every variety of apple, including all the crabapples, are ALL cuttings taken from one original tree that showed those characteristics. If you toss some apple seeds in the ground, what comes up bears little resemblance to the original because apple trees don't run true to type. How long do you suppose granny smith, fuji or red delicious apples have been around, cut and grafted over and over again, without the mythical 'genetic drift'? Longer than any of us, and then some...

There are plenty of varieties of cannabis out there that are available as a 'cutting only' for a reason; that was the only pheno the Original Grower thought was worth saving, and so that's how they get passed around. OK, i'm done.

 

[Cosmic Surfer]

great topic! Many of us I don't think have room for keeping big mothers especially if you want variety and can't have a big room dedicated to that. SO I hope we all get the answers we are looking for.

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

I say my clones from clones do drift at a certain time each year, I can always tell when it's going to happen. Middle of July to about the end of August. That is when I battle with high temps

That's not genetic drift...that's just your plants reacting differently to environmental changes.

 

[unspoken]

^ Did you read the rest of what he wrote, or just the first sentence?

 

[joe guy]

great topic! Many of us I don't think have room for keeping big mothers especially if you want variety and can't have a big room dedicated to that. SO I hope we all get the answers we are looking for.

There no need to have big moms i keep mine in 1 gallon geo pot and smarties and just lst the 8 arms down and let her grow up take cuts off the arms that end up branching out and i have to waste 20 to 30 cuts every two or three weeks.. The moms stand maybe 13 inches tall and 9 inches wide..

 

[Useful Idiot]

That's not genetic drift...that's just your plants reacting differently to environmental changes.

Really??? My point exactly.

 

[DevilWeedSeeds]

I have been keeping clones of clones for years, never had any issues of drift personally. I just find I get better cuttings from clones of clones. I do new clone mothers every six months have been doing it for years. Also prevents mothers from getting root bound by starting new clones.